Man in Black

sure she says she does but does she really truly understand it? eh I'm not gonna argue.

edit- actually fuck that waves you think you can just toss me a one liner and sell me short?

first of all, 12-13 years old is probably the threshold, as it is the age where children start to become young adults.
but I stand by my point. in children where the cognitive process is not fully developed, death is just as much of a grey area as life. I don't know about you but I didn't start to become fully cognitive untill I was sometime around that age. that's why children are children and adults are adults.

as far as a legal perspective, he is clearly a juvenile and I think it is very unfair that certain cases that meet similar criteria are judged differently by different magistrates, it just depends on the judge you get. judge 1 says try him as an adult in this state, judge 2 says try him as a juvenile in this state. well I'm no lawyer but I don't think there should be special "exceptions" to where juveniles can be tried as adults.

how in the fuck can a 12 year old be tried for murder as an adult when he can't even vote or buy beer. society deems him a juvenile and law is the upholding of society's values so I can't stand the hypocrisy here.

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^i think that anyone by the age of twelve has a perfectly clear understanding of the outcome of blowing somebodys head off with a shotgun. Maybe not the consequences in their own life, but they know that the action is wrong and that person will cease to exist any more. The kid is either batshit crazy or there is more than meets the eye going on here...either way it does seem odd to try a twelve year old as an adult.

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Man in Black

I'm not saying the kid didn't know what he was doing I was just surmising that he didn't realize the scope of his actions. in his pre-pubescent still forming brain he had the ability to judge the situation and think to himself "i want this bitch dead" but possibly lacks the ability to weigh the consequence of his action.

now that all this psychological bullshit is settled we can talk about this in legal terms. you can't try a minor as an adult. that's about as absurd as trying an adult as a minor. completely. fucking. absurd. the language doesn't allow it. or at least it shouldn't. only thing that happens is a court with a wild hair up it's ass that decides it want's to make an example out of someone for the betterment of all, all the while thinking the ends justify the means.

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pacman

way back in the day they would of done the right thing and just kill him. he killed a person and i bet he enjoyed it. there are some crazy ass kids out there who just become evil and need to kill a person or see someone in pain in any way, even their own family. we dont need this human being in society.

SpankyMcLankey

Na I don't think my interpretation of that sentence was wrong at all. You're new revision makes me think the same thing as last time..

I just don't think YOU understand what I'm saying.


Murders are crazy people, they just don't have the ability to think rationally. Murders don't need a motive, they are fucking bat shit crazy.

Man in Black

yeah because one murder negates the other one, right? capital punishment is just state sponsored murder.

if you are referring to the olden days then yeah things probably would have been different but this ain't the olden days.

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Man in Black

yeah because one murder negates the other one, right? capital punishment is just state sponsored murder.

if you are referring to the olden days then yeah things probably would have been different but this ain't the olden days.

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Man in Black

thinking rationally and being a psychopath are not mutually exclusive.

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pacman

no i'm not talkin about the murderer gets what he deserves or capitol punishment. i'm saying he should just be removed from society. i know thats the same thing as life in prison, but he's suffering more in the judicial system than he would by just getting shot in the head or something. the family needs to accept that hes a murdering bastard child, part ways, and be done.

Waves

you remember being 12 right? and you remember how awful even petty stuff like doing drugs seemed nevermind picking up a gun and shooting someone?

12 year olds arent idiots with no sense of consequence they are actually pretty mature in the scope of kid-dom.

not only that but if this kid is having murderous thoughts at 12 they arent just going to go away.

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SmokeaJoint

A twelve year old isn't a murderer. The act he commited was, no doubt about it. However, a kid, a twelve year old, they dont know enough to murder. So, thats why I wonder about the motive. Spanky, if you think a kid that age can decide "I dont like so n so, lets grab the shotty and get rid of 'em" then go right ahead. I refuse to believe that he knew what he was doing as far as killing someone goes. Maybe he thought it was a game? Idk.

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Rubix

I'm pretty sure he knew what death was, considering he was a hunter right? It just goes to show some people think they can get away with criminal acts simply because of their age.

SmokeaJoint

Huh. No matter what, I blame the parents. They may not have pulled the trigger, but they were the ones ultimately responsible.

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Waves

the same could be said about many serial killers and murders

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Man in Black

yeah I remember how I, myself, was at that age. I can't speak for everyone else though. you are trying to say the same size fits all.

some kids turn 16 and get drunk and drive 100 mph. what, in essence, is the difference in risk and judgement from deciding to do that and deciding to commit murder? everyone holds murder on a pedestal as the absoulte most detestable horrible sin you can commit. but there are worse things than murder. I realize what separates the two is malicious intent.

but as a for instance, Hulk Hogan's kid that got shitfaced and turned his friend into a vegetable while wrapping his dodge viper or whatever it was around a tree. I am not talking about the intent of his actions I am talking about the results. kid realized what he was doing, realized he was driving drunk and recklessly, and he knew the possible outcome, but he still did it.

why are there more road fatalities amongst young teens than any other age group? because they are young, inexperienced, naive, and think they are invincible. they are KIDS man.

if anything the boy is at least psychologically damaged though.

really all in all I am just trying to play devil's advocate and defense attourney. I must have edited this post 5 times I'm having a shit load of fun here.

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SmokeaJoint

Haha right. This thread makes me think of people like Dahmer, Gein, and the like.

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Rubix

right on, Willie. It's hard to be on either side of a story such as this...

SpankyMcLankey

did you know that kids see reality more accurately than adults?


It's all perception my friend, kids know what they are doing. Like Waves said, they aren't retarded. He knew what he was doing...

Now that's some fool proof logic right there.

The seizureboi

I know when I was little I used pretend to shoot people while playing, granted usually using my fingers or toy gun, maybe he was just playing pretend but with a real gun (EDIT)and it accidentally fired.

Either way, if he didn't have any psychological problems he sure as hell will after this.

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spanky you're all over the board here my friend

edit- lol seizureboy I'm not sure if you're making me look better or worse

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