12 year old boy faces life without parole - Page 4

Sir-Ex · 03-17-2010, 12:22 AM

For sure, there is no good side of this. It's fucked up and that's about as good as it gets. Trying a 12 year old as an adult is truly fucked though. It takes time to learn how to be a person, twelve years just isn't enough to justify twice the time you've even been alive in prison (if it's 25 years = life sentance).

What the kid really needs is some heavy positive influence and people to talk to him to try and help him realise what he's done and to understand how truly wrong it is. And if he doesn't figure it out, and is truly and evil bastard, well...send him to iraq?

Grieves · 03-17-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SpankyMcLankey

did you know that kids see reality more accurately than adults?

It's all perception my friend, kids know what they are doing. Like Waves said, they aren't retarded. He knew what he was doing...

Now that's some fool proof logic right there.

dude you are trying to debate a 16 yr old....he is going to be right, always....

I go back to the only logical option

Put him down...

**~~SpankyMcLankey~~** · 03-17-2010, 12:25 AM

Ok the fact that he knew to hide the shell and throw it in the woods shows that he knew he did something wrong..

/thread

Sir-Ex · 03-17-2010, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SpankyMcLankey

did you know that kids see reality more accurately than adults?

they used this design with a ball in a square and had two different size squares but the same size circle.

they tested adults, and kids. Guess what? most of the kids under 10 said the circle was the same size, most of the adults said the circle was different sizes.

....

Now that's some fool proof logic right there.

heh, you totally contradict yourself right here. how the hell is shape recognition an accurate indicator for determining someone perception of reality. That's like the most closed minded interpretation of a study I've ever heard, even from a scientific standpoint.

**~~SpankyMcLankey~~** · 03-17-2010, 12:27 AM

read my last post.

Sir-Ex · 03-17-2010, 12:28 AM

I was commenting beyond the barriers of the thread's subject matter and was focusing only on the content of your post itself.

this is like... a thread footnote. nay, something that supercedes the thread. A discussion beyond the focus, only possible in a place like this, an internet forum.

Or large bathroom stall walls.

Man in Black · 03-17-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SpankyMcLankey

Ok the fact that he knew to hide the shell and throw it in the woods shows that he knew he did something wrong..

/thread

well no shit sherlock like I said malicious intent is evident he shot the bitch. the thing we are trying to determine now is the appropriate way to judge the case.

pretend you are a juror in the case. you want to cover all your bases the best you can. right?

saying "/ end thread" sure seems to me like rushing to judgment, more than likely based off of emotion than reason

**~~SpankyMcLankey~~** · 03-17-2010, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Willie D

well no shit sherlock like I said malicious intent is evident he shot the bitch. the thing we are trying to determine now is the appropriate way to judge the case.

pretend you are a juror in the case. you want to cover all your bases the best you can. right?

saying "/ end thread" sure seems to me like rushing to judgment, more than likely based off of emotion than reason

Sorry, I didn't mean to be so vague.

Ok, when I said,"he knew he did something wrong." Even if he did it without even thinking about the consequences, he still did it. His brain could have some kind of deformity no one can see or know about, which is why he could have no recollection of the incident.

Therefore the same thing could happen when he's an adult.

SmokeaJoint · 03-17-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Grieves

dude you are trying to debate a 16 yr old....he is going to be right, always....

I go back to the only logical option

Put him down...

Grieves, what makes you think I'm sixteen?

bongobongo · 03-17-2010, 12:37 AM

lol you guys are silly

Sir-Ex · 03-17-2010, 12:39 AM

Join the party its a BIG SILLY PARTTYYYY TEEE HEEE HEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SmokeaJoint · 03-17-2010, 12:40 AM

Well, perhaps I'm looking at it wrong. I don't remember what I thought about life/death as a twelve year old but I knew not to shoot people.

Grieves · 03-17-2010, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeaJoint

Grieves, what makes you think I'm sixteen?

Your attitude, maturity and intelligence...

**~~SpankyMcLankey~~** · 03-17-2010, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeaJoint

but I knew not to shoot people.

fucking exactly haha

i've been hunting since I could walk.. the first time i ever shot a shot gun(what he used) was probably actually 11-12 years old. I knew damn well what damage it could do.

SmokeaJoint · 03-17-2010, 12:42 AM

Grieves, I have proof man. Just ask for it or shut your mouth. Your acting more like a twelve year old coming in here starting the same argument from another thread. Go away.

Xil · 03-17-2010, 12:42 AM

Some people deserve to get killed, there's just no way around that fact. If someone is coming at you with intent to kill you, for instance, it's perfectly acceptable to kill that person in turn.

What I have a hard time grasping isn't that he understood the mechanics of death, but that he's at an age where he can make the distinction between a real threat and a perceived/non-physical threat. Even vengeance is excusable in some cases but you need to have a level head about it, something a child could never understand.

Man in Black · 03-17-2010, 12:45 AM

smoke a joint, grown folk talkin here. don't fuck up my beautiful discourse with stupid shit talking.

SmokeaJoint · 03-17-2010, 12:46 AM

whatever wille.

Grieves · 03-17-2010, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeaJoint

Grieves, I have proof man. Just ask for it or shut your mouth. Your acting more like a twelve year old coming in here starting the same argument from another thread. Go away.

SmokeaJoint · 03-17-2010, 12:54 AM

Laughing makes you live longer.

03-17-2010, 12:22 AM	#61 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 10,465 Thanks: 1,411 Thanked 3,130 Times in 1,873 Posts	For sure, there is no good side of this. It's fucked up and that's about as good as it gets. Trying a 12 year old as an adult is truly fucked though. It takes time to learn how to be a person, twelve years just isn't enough to justify twice the time you've even been alive in prison (if it's 25 years = life sentance). What the kid really needs is some heavy positive influence and people to talk to him to try and help him realise what he's done and to understand how truly wrong it is. And if he doesn't figure it out, and is truly and evil bastard, well...send him to iraq? __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

03-17-2010, 12:28 AM	#66 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 10,465 Thanks: 1,411 Thanked 3,130 Times in 1,873 Posts	I was commenting beyond the barriers of the thread's subject matter and was focusing only on the content of your post itself. this is like... a thread footnote. nay, something that supercedes the thread. A discussion beyond the focus, only possible in a place like this, an internet forum. Or large bathroom stall walls. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!! Last edited by Sir-Ex; 03-17-2010 at 12:31 AM.

03-17-2010, 12:39 AM	#71 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 10,465 Thanks: 1,411 Thanked 3,130 Times in 1,873 Posts	Join the party its a BIG SILLY PARTTYYYY TEEE HEEE HEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

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Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,292 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 993 Thanked 1,108 Times in 687 Posts	Some people deserve to get killed, there's just no way around that fact. If someone is coming at you with intent to kill you, for instance, it's perfectly acceptable to kill that person in turn. What I have a hard time grasping isn't that he understood the mechanics of death, but that he's at an age where he can make the distinction between a real threat and a perceived/non-physical threat. Even vengeance is excusable in some cases but you need to have a level head about it, something a child could never understand. __________________ Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life, so get wasted all the time and have the time of your life

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Man in Black willie d Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: dayton,ohio Posts: 4,816 Thanks: 2,928 Thanked 1,249 Times in 835 Posts	smoke a joint, grown folk talkin here. don't fuck up my beautiful discourse with stupid shit talking. __________________ Budweiser buckles and soft faded Wranglers and each night begins a new day, if you can't understand him and he don't die young, he'll probably just ride away.

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~~SpankyMcLankey~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,310 Thanks: 1,748 Thanked 1,063 Times in 703 Posts	Ok the fact that he knew to hide the shell and throw it in the woods shows that he knew he did something wrong.. /thread

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~~SpankyMcLankey~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,310 Thanks: 1,748 Thanked 1,063 Times in 703 Posts	read my last post.

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