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Old 07-11-2010, 10:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The aftermath of trying to build a golf course on an indian burial ground: 20 years later

I Saw this in the news and thought it was still relevant enough to dredge up again.

CBC News - Montreal - Oka Crisis legacy questioned

Twenty years after the Oka Crisis there are differing views over whether the relationship between the government and First Nations has improved.

Sunday marks two decades since the start of the 78-day-long standoff between Mohawks in the community of Kanesatake and police and the military.

The conflict in the community west of Montreal was sparked by plans to expand a golf course in the neighbouring community of Oka on land the Mohawk claimed was a traditional burial ground. A provincial police officer, Cpl. Marcel Lemay, was killed in gunfire during the early days of the crisis.
A protester stands on an overturned police vehicle blocking a road at the Kanesatake reserve on July 11, 1990, after a police assault to remove Mohawk barriers failed.

An agreement signed in Quebec City on Tuesday is an example of how relations have improved since 1990, said Federal Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl. The agreement between the federal and provincial governments and the Assembly of First Nations in Quebec allows First Nations communities more power over the distribution of social assistance money, he said.

Although there are still more than 3,000 aboriginal land claims outstanding — including the one launched by the Mohawk of Kanesatake — Strahl said they are being dealt with in a better way.

In 2007, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced a revamp of the federal land-claims process. The changes included $250 million a year for 10 years to help manage the backlog of claims, and the creation of an independent tribunal to make final decisions on disputes.

Twenty years ago, Strahl said, there was confrontation, not negotiation. "The federal government has been much quicker to recognize that claims exist," said Strahl. "[It] used to be [that] we were just in complete denial. We would just say 'No, we're not going to negotiate, we're not talking, there's nothing to talk about.'"

'The federal government has been much quicker to recognize that claims exist.'—Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl

But the Quebec chief of the Assembly of First Nations, Ghislain Picard, said he has his doubts. Picard points to the number of outstanding land claims and to the Royal Commission Report on Aboriginal Peoples, which was set up after the Oka Crisis.

In 1996, the commission made more than 400 recommendations, including a 20-year agenda to "revitalize" First Nations communities and end the "staggering" human and financial cost of supporting them.
'What has changed?'

"What has changed since Oka?" asked Picard. "How many of those recommendations have been implemented?"

Tensions have recently flared again in Kanesatake over a developer's plan to build three homes on a site across the street from the pine forest where the standoff began. Taxes on the land are paid to the municipality of Oka. But members of the Mohawk community argue that the land belongs to them, as part of an ongoing claim.

Residents of Kanesatake have also sought a moratorium on a plan to extract and mill niobium in the region until the claim is resolved. Niobium is used in superconductors and in alloys such as high-strength steel for pipelines and bone implants.

The current grand chief of the Kanesatake Mohawk, Sohenrise Paul Nicholas, said there has been progress on the land claim, but at a snail's pace. "We are the point now where we are going to be starting discussion," said Nicholas.

That little has changed in two decades comes as no surprise to two key players in the Oka Crisis.
'We never learn from history'

"We never learn from history, do we?" John Ciaccia said with a sigh. The former Quebec native affairs minister was at the centre of the storm two decades ago. He was at odds with his own government and police, while scrambling to broker a deal and prevent further bloodshed.

'The whole crisis could have been avoided with common sense and respect for the native community.'—Former Quebec native affairs minister John Ciaccia

In the months leading up to the crisis, Ciaccia pushed Ottawa to OK an agreement that would have let the disputed territory be acquired by the federal government and given over to the Kanesatake Mohawks.

Ciaccia's voice still chokes with anger and frustration as he recalls the events of that long summer.

Under police protection for much of the crisis, he was also branded a traitor by some of his then-colleagues. Ten years ago, he went public with his view that the blame for the crisis should be placed squarely on the governments of the time — the Quebec Liberal administration of Robert Bourassa and the federal Conservative government under Brian Mulroney.

"It was wrong to put the natives in that position," the retired politician maintains. "The whole crisis could have been avoided with common sense and respect for the native community."
Ottawa blamed

Even at the height of the crisis, he said, Ottawa refused to budge while he struggled to find common ground between the Mohawk leaders and the government. Ottawa dragged its heels, and continues to do so today, Ciaccia said.

It's an opinion echoed by Ellen Gabriel. In 1990, the then 31-year-old firebrand acted as chief Mohawk negotiator, working alongside Ciaccia to bring an end to the stalemate.

Now president of a native women's association, she says Oka's only legacy is a greater awareness of native issues across Canada. "If anything it was a waking up," she said, adding that people realized "in a simplified, clichéd way, there are still ongoing Indian wars."

The initial transfer of the Oka land took place in 1717, when France gave it over to a missionary group. "It's a 290-year-old fight," said Gabriel. "So history's not changing. It's business as usual as far as the government is concerned."

Kanesatake residents planned an evening of songs and poetry on Saturday and a march Sunday from Oka to the site of the protest camp where the crisis began. The marchers were to be joined by some Oka villagers and local farmers who share the opposition to the niobium mine.

All Quebecers have also been invited to the annual Powwow in the Mohawk community of Kahnawake, south of Montreal. Kahnawake's grand chief, Mike Delisle, and local Bloc Québécois MP Carole Freeman billed the event, running through the weekend, as an opportunity to heal scars that still remain following the crisis.


Pte. Patrick Cloutier and aboriginal activist Brad Laroque, face to face in a tense standoff at the Kanesatake reserve on Sept. 1, 1990. (Shaney Komulainen/Canadian Press)


A protester stands on an overturned police vehicle blocking a road at the Kanesatake reserve on July 11, 1990, after a police assault to remove Mohawk barriers failed. (Tom Hanson/Canadian Press)
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Those fucking canadians man... allways oppressing people and cultures.

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i dont see what the natives are bitching about, the europeans conquered these lands fair and square, it belongs to them now.
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I will read the article in a few, but the first thing that stands out, is the face covering bandannas ... Im sorry if you're out there protesting don't be a puss. Stand for what you believe in, don't hide. O and its not about gas either because a rag over your face does very little to aid in the discomfort.
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I just read the article and I think what they were able to accomplish is monumental, granted the slow process, you rarely see the government budge, at all!
I still think its wrong to wear anything covering your face... the picture of the Private and the protester tell a big story. Granted I don't know the situation, I have never wore anything covering my identity during a protest...
and yes this is coming from the guy behind his desktop!
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dude you would be so surprised to find out how many people actually find that to be a legitimate argument. on this politics forum i post on people use that argument about natives ALL THE TIME.
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There is still plenty of that up here in Canada.

I'm not an expert on the issue, but speaking from what I've seen in, BC there are still A LOT of active land claims.

Queen Charlotte Islands have change their name back to Haida Gwaii
And now in Vancouver there is speak of changing Stanley Park's name as well.

These places have cultural centres and aren't just anthropology and I think that is a good thing. It's great that people stripped of their culture are able to rebuild old and write new traditions.

Coming from the East Coast of the states, living here is all I have to compare it to. There aren't visible Aboriginals there, and I'd be interested to hear something intelligent from someone who lives in a place of cohabitation with Aboriginals. Not to invalidate anyone, I'd just simply like to hear about your 'face to face' interactions, because I feel there are many people with opinions on things that have never experienced. I can testify that my mind opened even more on it when I moved here.

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