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disagree and agree.
i want to kill a deer. i want to take advantage of their numbers and our capability.
imo, we deserve the luxury of killing off animals for fun and food, seeing as its the realest 'past-time' of survival and we control how many we kill, so we don't endanger a species.

although on that note, we do often cause the extinction of species (non-animal species as well, though extinctions not always a bad thing) and that is saddening.

but i do agree that "alot of people who hunt are fucking idiots who just want to kill shit and have no respect."
they call em rednecks

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cantSEEme

i always thought it was tacky as fuck and a little morbid to hang stuffed dear heads, antlers, or whatever other once-living trophy someone could mount.


and yeah, agreed w/ scatter 100%.

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Mr. Poatheed

Yeah, wanting to kill something is just instinct. Chimps kill and eat chimps from other "clans". That's just the way we (should be) are programmed. If you don't want to kill another living thing, you might want to contact your doctor about a natural instinct disorder or some shit.

Also, deer aren't crazy overpopulated everywhere. I live in a pretty rural area and spend a serious amount of time in the woods, and yet the only deer I ever see are when I'm in areas with a lot of humans/not a lot of forest space. The same goes for fishing. Everyone thinks Atlantic salmon are hurting, but the game wardens tell fishermen to take their limit of fish on some waterways here because they are too numerous. It's all about where and how you treat your surrounding natural environment.

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cantSEEme

my natural instinct is to masturbate constantly.

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ionlylooklazy

+1

Captain Cannabis

its okay if the animal asks for it

its like rape or something if its non consensual

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Kompressor

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Dr. ShinDig

goddamn the level of vaginal pies on this forum these days is alarming

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Waves

So lets just legalize murder and get it over with then eh?

what a fucking stupid post. sorry.

e-v-o-l-u-t-i-o-n

it happens

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Cerpin Taxt

I have the same views as waves on this one.

I think the natural instinct to kill can be satisfied with any type of combat sport. This way you are face to face with what you are trying to kill, you use only your limbs, and no one (98% of the time) dies in the end.

If you don't feel satiated with the sweet taste of victory after beating the shit out of someone legally, and you still want to kill, you's got some issues homie. Then again, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to stand 200 yards away and snipe a grazing deer.

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Waves

'natural instinct' is no more than what the organism has learned to adapt and survive in its environment. it doesnt exist.

we as humans get to guide our evolution and how we choose to behave. you can choose to go shoot a deer or you can choose to go make love to a beautiful women. and your choices have a very real and direct impact on the evolution and direction of the species, as well as the environment and species around you.

people talk about 'natural instinct' like its some instinct that we MUST SATISFY and its outside of our control. but i dont feel any urge to go out and hunt fucking deer. ive got wal-mart and jewel osco bitches.

i dont even feel any natural instinct to fight or be violent. ive gotten in like 3 fistfights my entire life.

one peep at a real genuine human being like MLK or ghandi should be enough to right those idiotic beliefs about 'natural instincts', but some people are still violent apes and those of us who have evolved past that have no choice but to live with and try to ignore such morons

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The Rev

Any urge to kill, no matter how psychotically far out on the rim of the curve, can be satisfied with the Wii





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Kompressor

Waves' natural environment is the GAP where all he has to hunt are bargains.

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Cerpin Taxt

I agree with everything but all natural instinct being 'learned'. I mean, we have physical characteristics that share similarities with our ancestors of the past (as we know them) in the form of useless physiological responses (goosebumps) and our physical structure itself. Who's to say we don't have these same type of characteristics left over in our mental selves? Certain kinds of predispositions specific to our species? I think fight or flight is a good example, although it's more universal in us animals.

But I digress, I think there are just so many variations in social and psychological growing environments (not to mention genetics) which have a huge impact on who we grow up to be that saying it's a matter of choice is really just an opinion a person who has grown up a certain way. Not everyone goes down the same road.

Perhaps one man believes choosing to make love to a woman over shooting a deer is downright retarded. It's all a matter of perspective!

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Waves

geez i thought the wii was supposed to be for kids.

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Waves

of course i mean learned over a long long period of time where the organism lives and adapts to its environment. not one generation.

even with physiological responses its quite easy to train your mind to 'override them'

that to me is the perfect evidence that we can guide our evolution and the development of our 'instincts.' the fact that we CAN override them means nature wants us to do so, and to develop according to our choices and not the instincts.

for all we know animals might not even be making conscious choices. they could be working off 100% instinct.

in other words there is a natural disposition according to what we've run into in the past, but its our choice to either continue reinforcing that disposition or create novel ways of dealing with it.

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Cerpin Taxt

Classical and operant condition make that statement not so cut and dry however. Not to mention us being creatures of habit.

I'm not saying what your saying doesn't make sense, I'm just saying that the mind is very tricky when it comes to learning and making choices based on said learning.

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-Eckhart Tolle

-If you try to destroy him to save them, they'll destroy you to save him-

The Rev

Are you saying people are too stupid to get the most out of their brains?



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Cerpin Taxt

Not stupid, just, distracted

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"The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly, however, it becomes very destructive. To put it more accurately, it is not so much that you use your mind wrongly—you usually don't use it at all. It uses you."
-Eckhart Tolle

-If you try to destroy him to save them, they'll destroy you to save him-

hijabihippie

And a lot more efficiently than any human being could ever hope to.