John F. Kerry

im surprised no one made a thread about it.

i just gotta say, as much as i am not the most accepting and free-ranging individual who says do what u feel and doesnt judge anybodies lifestyle choices... even so, i still feel pretty terrible for this kid.

even though i am not a huge fan of what he was doing, i still wish even i coulda been this kids friend and told him damn dude dont fucking kill yourself over this shit.

its so sad because anybody can empathize with him, the thoughts that went thru his head, the fact that his family didnt know he was bisexual or gay or curious or whatever, then knowing that everyone would know...just feeling trapped and hopeless and shit and then jumping off a bridge...

i kinda feel like if this kid would have made a thread on yahooka about how this shit happened to him that a bunch of the nicer people on here would have been able to talk him out of killing himself by a combination of the way we teach each other to have thick skins on here and also by telling him that like no matter how much this might suck, its nothing to kill yourself over...

i dunno, it just sucks that if this kid had like a single friend in the world he probably would still be alive. he just couldnt cope with that shit, and apparently didnt have a single person to help him with it.




any thoughts on it?

what do u think they should do to the 2 kids who broadcast it?

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zerodown

Forget their sexual orientation, how weak(mentally) must a person be to conclude that the answer to X situation is SUICIDE?

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Well, when the whole world thinks you shouldn't be who you are and you have no control over it, an exit strategy looks better and better.

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(edit: woops kompressor snuck in before I clicked reply)

@zerodown: what a pathetic thing to say. Educate yourself.

anyway, sarah silverman says it best (again):

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hijabihippie

RIP Tyler Clementi.

my_scatterheart

What about the other roughly 5 LGBTQ kids that have killed themselves recently?
It's sad. Rutgers has been completely rocked by this, as they (and we) should be.
It's not a matter of the kid having no friends. He had many. It's a matter of not being able to cope with being outted to the entire world unknowingly, and the fact that he was treated this way because of something that was a natural born part of him.

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John F. Kerry

people who care about like specifics and stuff (like i guess me), just gotta say that this point is clearly debatable... i appreciate and empathize with tyler, but anyone who cares about precision of speech and language can recognize the difference between feeling bad for him and automatically concluding its a natural thing.... i guess you're a psycologist/doctor to be able to tell us what was a natural born part of him.... or else, i mean if you're just saying thats what you believe, thats totally fine, im just here pointing out the diference between facts/conclusions/and beleifs. Its a fine line im making so please dont misconstrue the point im making.

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hijabi the point im trying to make is that i think we need to teach kids coping skills, every once in a while someone comes on yahooka , gets made fun of , then throws a fit . etc...

i read an article about kids going to college these days who have their parents call their roomate to discuss problems because they dont have the interpersonal skills to deal with conflict etc...


lots of people have sucky situations that make them want to kill themselves that have nothing to do with sexual orientation.... i think we gotta teach people to cope with the shit, because trying to make the shit stop is as hopeless in real life as it is on yahooka. coping skills are infinately more valuable than a hear-no-evil see-no-evil speak-no-evil appraoch, imo.

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farmergiles

j I'm going with you on this one, if we could argue with them for long enough they'd be so annoyed they would forget to jump.

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mothernature

Have you ever been publicly humiliated in front of millions John? Do you know what it feels like to have your sex life, streaming live on the internet? Has anyone ever taken a secret and told everyone, including ALL your relatives? Do you know what it's like to feel that death is better than life?

Or do you mean sympathize?

John F. Kerry

ummm hmmm i guess sympathize might be a better word if im being a word precision nazi... but im pretty sure you can empathize with someone even if you hadnt been in the exact same situation cant u ? (runs to check dictionary)

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my_scatterheart

Clearly you think being gay is a choice, and that's fine for you, but it's not the case. I live five minutes from the campus, and almost all of the people I grew up with go to school there. Two girls I know knew him, and one was close. Would you like me to ask her if her friend chose to be gay? Because I'm certain she'd tell me it wasn't his choice to make. He was a young man who was not yet out. To be outted to an entire campus, especially at the beginning of your campus life, is insanely scary. If you think someone makes a choice like that, knowing full well that he was going to hide himself, feel ashamed about it, make his life much harder emotionally, and inevitably take his life .... if you really think that's a conscious choice, you're a fucking imbecile.
Oh, and do me a favor, don't try to disguise your bigotry as linguistics.

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John F. Kerry

well. ive seen pictures of him dancing with girls at a wedding or something, and apparently his family had no idea so he either was totally in the closet or hadnt told anybody...

i think its pretty much more likely that he was "curious" like many a college aged person, and this was probably one of his first gay "experiments"- i think that pretty easily explains why he felt so ashamed and trapped by the broadcast...clearly if many people had known he was gay and shit or even if he had known for sure he was gay, presumably he would be better adjusted and when it came out might have even considered it a relief- my guess (just a guess) is that its more likely he was experimenting while away at college for the first time and unluckily had the first gay encounters of his life broadcast on the interweb.... it totally sucks, but i mean plenty of people deal with considerable bias and prejudice for being gay and dont wanna jump off bridges... i think the idea that a straight seeming and seemingly straight kid now thought he was gonna have to face his family and parents and shit and explain why their straight son was on the web making out with other dudes, that it was that kind of panic that made him snap...

i mean its just my opinion, but it seems like thats more likely. if he really "knew" he was gay, either for a while , or as u suggest, from birth, why would he feel so trapped by the truth comming out? i think it was embaresment at something he had never intended to be anything but a private expirimental college type thing.


...and id sure like to know where u got that i "thought bad things about him blah blah bulshit puke blah" i said and implied no such thing and indeed said exactly the reverse so fuck u and your libel. its a mark of how uncritically people like sage and saddam thank posts that appear at a cursory glance to belittle a position that they intrinsically and closemindedly dismiss because they dont agree with it... oh yahooka, only here do things like "Clearly you think being gay is a choice, and that's fine for you, but it's not the case. If you think someone makes a choice like that.... if you really think that you're a fucking don't try to disguise your bigotry as linguistics. " get thanked and held up as beacons of whats wrong with a position that you summarily dismiss because you just i guess dont wanna think hard about why you accept whatever position you happen to accept...

see sage, saddam, scatter, hijabi? somehow you guys declare yourselves the authorities not only on what being gay is both psycologically and physically, being the experts that you all are... and at the same time declare yourselves the authority on what tyler clementi was and wasnt, unlike me who deliberately said i was expressing ideas and opinions.... then once you take complete authority over those two positions, you also claim moral superiority for your ludicrous, unsubstantiated, and certainly not justified by the facts , opinions.... and rather than argue about the question, try to attack ad hominem style any position that seeks to rock your cradle of holy truth....


Oh yahooks.

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John F. Kerry

how do u know he felt that way his whole life? i dont either, but im not saying that my idea is true, just pointing out how it makes sense.


.... was he really tortured by his sexuality for years and years and this was the thing that did it? or was it a spur of the moment thing that he couldnt have imagined would be broadcast and he irrationally needed to escape the embaressment,

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Sugar420

choice is not the issue, because we should all be free to choose who we make out with and our privacy should be respected no matter what

you shouldnt try to deny or discount the bullying and harassment that gay people suffer

SageTree

John, do you believe what you say or do you just like to see people go bat shit man?

I have a hard time believing one man can put forth such a stream of bigotry in a girl scout uniform disguise on a regular basis. And I grew up with kids in the KKK, but hey...they didn't disguise it with intellectual confectionery goodness, they just came out and said it.

Sorry dude... your thin mints are giving me heart disease and btw... your chocolate is melting.

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Society is at the point where the smart and talented are going to start killing themselves en-mass because the ignorant won't take off their blinders long enough to realize that they are bringing the whole fucking thing down...It reaches a point where you just say "fuck the greater good" and just peace the fuck out so you don't have to wade through the hogs and their waste anymore...

I am about there myself, and I'm neither smart or talented...

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John F. Kerry

normally i just let your more outlandish and inappropriate outbursts just pass uncontested. and i will here too.

theres no point in fighting with a mod on a web forum.... obviously, even one who says totally wrong, uncalled for things that have no basis in reality of what was said, but still, theres no point in fighting with a mod.... because they are, mods.

just to know that imo these posts are worth quoting solely because they show a side to you sage that unlike much of the rest about you i find quite unflattering.

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SageTree

Damn dude, nice editting....

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John F. Kerry

thanks , as if that should have anything to do with your argument.... sage you've been behind the green curtain for so long you dont remember what its like to talk when you cant use all your mod tools to fix things to make yourself seem right. argument without ad hominem attacks is how its done my friend. I would just love you to quote my bigotry in this thread... because thats what you called it, so please show me what i said that you consider bigotry...


daymmm... you and rick sanchez be tossing out the B word....

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