Spreading of Christianity = asshole thing to do?

Liberty Cap · 10-24-2010, 12:11 PM

Hey this is actually a spin off of an earlier post on Random I did.

So I was thinking about religion, specifically Christianity. Where missionaries will go forth to new lands and spread God's word. Now people of Earth who have never had any exposure to Christianity will by default go to heaven right? To say otherwise is to say that thousands of babies and children in 3rd world countries go to Hell.

So why no leave everyone in the dark about Christianity and allow them to experience the divinity of God after their death? Especially since our life on Earth is nothing compared to the span of time that they'll be under God's light as his child. Or whatever the hell you people say. Obviously I'm not Christian.

Also, could Jesus not be the work of Satan brought forth as an elaborate plan to cause doubt on humanity? I just don't really see what he actually did? He supposedly saved us all? Yeah but what about the people B.C.? Did they all go to hell because Jesus wasn't around yet?

The whole thing seems like maybe if religion didn't stick it's fat little nose into our shit, we'd all be OK as long as we did what we thought was fundamentally and morally right.

Anyhow, I'd post this in that spirituality forum, but fuck that. FFA is where it's at.

**SageTree** · 10-24-2010, 12:22 PM

Pondering Death?

Let the lulz begin.

**SageTree** · 10-24-2010, 12:35 PM

When I have a little more time I'll come back and take a whack at this.

Puffman · 10-24-2010, 12:47 PM

i'm pretty sure you need to worship and accept God to get into heaven. also most people would sin if they didn't know specifically what the sins are and didn't spend their entire lives avoiding sinning. although i could be wrong i'm pretty ignorant about retarded shit such as christianity. fortunately, i believe its pretty safe (can't be certain i guess) to say there there is no heaven, so us rational people don't really need to worry about it.

edit: this thread reminds me of this thread by tugboatcomplex (he was a quality poster) from my early days as a yahookan.. http://www.yahooka.com/forum/free-al...tian-hell.html

Liberty Cap · 10-24-2010, 12:49 PM

Yeah from the start, I want to say that I am in no way a Christian member. My personal feelings are that whatever is beyond us didn't create us for the sole purpose of being the most important things in the universe. I think they are probably some phenominal things out there, some incredibly small, and some incredibly large.

But I was just thinking about that. For some reason. Just too much stumbling led me to some video about Jesus, and I just started thinking... What an asshole.

Puffman, I'm talking about some 2 year old boy in lets say.... the Amazon. Or something like that. He dies. Never exposed to anything but his tribe. You're telling me he will go to hell and not heaven? What about some lady's child that dies at birth in a hospital? Having never had the chance to leave the operating table. This child will go to hell because they never knew? Their mother or fathers beliefs don't affect what happens to the kid,

Puffman · 10-24-2010, 12:56 PM

i think thats what they beleive. but i'm not 100% sure, there must be someone more qualified than me to explain the tenants of christianity.

i do however know thats what jehova's witnesses believe (that unless you believe their BS when the world randomly implodes only they will be taken to paradise and the rest of us are fucked). i had an otherwise seemingly-rational friend who actually believed that nonsense.

HTAM · 10-24-2010, 01:06 PM

I'm coming back later with some popcorn.

Sugar420 · 10-24-2010, 01:06 PM

if i knew nothing or very little about sweden it would be silly of me to give a lot of opinions about whats wrong with sweden and ask questions such as why do swedes eat so much raw fish and torture themselves with unpleasant steam baths out of some swedish sense of guilt, and go on with other wacky ideas while making no effort to find out anything real about sweden.

we have all heard a lot of wacky ideas people have had about christianity who claim that youll go to hell if you dont do this or that but what does Christ actually say/teach?
this i think is more important than what preachers and other people say about Him.

i think that people that never heard of Jesus get judged by Jah looking into their hearts.

**Home Wrecker** · 10-24-2010, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liberty_cap

So I was thinking about religion, specifically Christianity. Where missionaries will go forth to new lands and spread God's word. Now people of Earth who have never had any exposure to Christianity will by default go to heaven right? To say otherwise is to say that thousands of babies and children in 3rd world countries go to Hell.

I think the mistake here is assuming that there must be some sort of logic to christianity.

generic_hippie · 10-24-2010, 01:30 PM

It isn't about what the religion teaches for me, its an often repeated set of results brought about by repeating certain behaviours.

I have a friend who is currently involved in missionary work in Papa Nui Guinea. They work in the western world collecting used reading glasses and bibles, then fuck off into the (few) remaining jungles and convert these "savages" with ancient cultures dating back thousands of years to Christians...

Remember these cultures have survived for a very long time, in complete harmony with nature, population controls built into their belief systems, a complete lack of pollution, no long term scarring of the earth at all...

It would make more sense to me if these missionary's studied these ancient cultures and brought back to the "real world" the secrets of living in harmony with our planet, abandoning their profit driven God for the truth of nature...

Sugar420 · 10-24-2010, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Home Wrecker

I think the mistake here is assuming that there must be some sort of logic to christianity.

...or in trying to apply logic to distorted and false ideas about christianity.

cantSEEme · 10-24-2010, 01:41 PM

if you believe the spreading of christianity is an "asshole thing to do", then wouldnt that apply to other religions with the same general beliefs?

and imo, ppl that spread "christianity" through the method of what gh said and similar tactics such as the radical evangelicals we have in the states, with fear and condemnation, arent really spreading christianity, but a warped view of it, shaped to fit their own belief structure. basically, imo, veda said it best. if there is a "judging" of ones soul, then it would be on the person you were, not what you believed or did not believe in.

Waves · 10-24-2010, 01:46 PM

people who spread their beliefs, no matter the person, without being asked, are making the mortal mistake of assuming they know the truth.

i dont think any one religion is the truth and the best religions are the ones willing to admit that there are many paths. ie buddhism. actually thats about the only one, i think. the rest are too self-absorbed and high and mighty to make room for the possibility that they might be wrong. probably some sects of what the west calls 'hinduism' are willing to admit they might not know all.

then again if someone is genuinely curious about religion and they ask specifically for information about your faith i see nothing wrong in sharing and seeing if they would be interested. as long as you arent slitting their throats if they refuse.

notepad · 10-24-2010, 01:47 PM

people that push religion onto others suck.

Waves · 10-24-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ©antSEEme

if you believe the spreading of christianity is an "asshole thing to do", then wouldnt that apply to other religions with the same general beliefs?

and imo, ppl that spread "christianity" through the method of what gh said and similar tactics such as the radical evangelicals we have in the states, with fear and condemnation, arent really spreading christianity, but a warped view of it, shaped to fit their own belief structure. basically, imo, veda said it best. if there is a "judging" of ones soul, then it would be on the person you were, not what you believed or did not believe in.

who has the authority to say which versions of Christianity are 'warped' and which arent?

Certainly not the pope. thats like giving the president the authority to say which governments in the world are corrupt and which arent.

cantSEEme · 10-24-2010, 01:52 PM

lol @ the pope.

his hat is funny.

notepad · 10-24-2010, 01:57 PM

Waves · 10-24-2010, 02:00 PM

Faith in action!

dont know what hes so scared about dien for anyway, hes got a golden ticket to heaven

farmergiles · 10-24-2010, 02:15 PM

St Paul has a lot to answer for.

Sugar420 · 10-24-2010, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waves

who has the authority to say which versions of Christianity are 'warped' and which arent?

God has that authority

waves you seem to be somewhat obsessed with the pope. any time christianity gets brought up you are all about catholicism and the pope as if that has anything to do with Christ. i think you have been given false and distorted ideas about Jesus and what He taught, and you need to let go of your idea that catholic teachings are what it is all about.

10-24-2010, 12:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Liberty Cap Justice for All Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,093 Thanks: 31 Thanked 72 Times in 92 Posts	Spreading of Christianity = asshole thing to do? Hey this is actually a spin off of an earlier post on Random I did. So I was thinking about religion, specifically Christianity. Where missionaries will go forth to new lands and spread God's word. Now people of Earth who have never had any exposure to Christianity will by default go to heaven right? To say otherwise is to say that thousands of babies and children in 3rd world countries go to Hell. So why no leave everyone in the dark about Christianity and allow them to experience the divinity of God after their death? Especially since our life on Earth is nothing compared to the span of time that they'll be under God's light as his child. Or whatever the hell you people say. Obviously I'm not Christian. Also, could Jesus not be the work of Satan brought forth as an elaborate plan to cause doubt on humanity? I just don't really see what he actually did? He supposedly saved us all? Yeah but what about the people B.C.? Did they all go to hell because Jesus wasn't around yet? The whole thing seems like maybe if religion didn't stick it's fat little nose into our shit, we'd all be OK as long as we did what we thought was fundamentally and morally right. Anyhow, I'd post this in that spirituality forum, but fuck that. FFA is where it's at.

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generic_hippie question authority Join Date: May 2003 Location: 20 km's from Nimbin, Australia Posts: 3,972 Thanks: 121 Thanked 277 Times in 173 Posts	It isn't about what the religion teaches for me, its an often repeated set of results brought about by repeating certain behaviours. I have a friend who is currently involved in missionary work in Papa Nui Guinea. They work in the western world collecting used reading glasses and bibles, then fuck off into the (few) remaining jungles and convert these "savages" with ancient cultures dating back thousands of years to Christians... Remember these cultures have survived for a very long time, in complete harmony with nature, population controls built into their belief systems, a complete lack of pollution, no long term scarring of the earth at all... It would make more sense to me if these missionary's studied these ancient cultures and brought back to the "real world" the secrets of living in harmony with our planet, abandoning their profit driven God for the truth of nature... __________________ Love is my favourite DRUG...

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cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	if you believe the spreading of christianity is an "asshole thing to do", then wouldnt that apply to other religions with the same general beliefs? and imo, ppl that spread "christianity" through the method of what gh said and similar tactics such as the radical evangelicals we have in the states, with fear and condemnation, arent really spreading christianity, but a warped view of it, shaped to fit their own belief structure. basically, imo, veda said it best. if there is a "judging" of ones soul, then it would be on the person you were, not what you believed or did not believe in. __________________

10-24-2010, 12:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Puffman LeavesOfGrassMyAss! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 6,550 Thanks: 538 Thanked 251 Times in 163 Posts	i'm pretty sure you need to worship and accept God to get into heaven. also most people would sin if they didn't know specifically what the sins are and didn't spend their entire lives avoiding sinning. although i could be wrong i'm pretty ignorant about retarded shit such as christianity. fortunately, i believe its pretty safe (can't be certain i guess) to say there there is no heaven, so us rational people don't really need to worry about it. edit: this thread reminds me of this thread by tugboatcomplex (he was a quality poster) from my early days as a yahookan.. http://www.yahooka.com/forum/free-al...tian-hell.html

10-24-2010, 12:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Liberty Cap Justice for All Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,093 Thanks: 31 Thanked 72 Times in 92 Posts	Yeah from the start, I want to say that I am in no way a Christian member. My personal feelings are that whatever is beyond us didn't create us for the sole purpose of being the most important things in the universe. I think they are probably some phenominal things out there, some incredibly small, and some incredibly large. But I was just thinking about that. For some reason. Just too much stumbling led me to some video about Jesus, and I just started thinking... What an asshole. Puffman, I'm talking about some 2 year old boy in lets say.... the Amazon. Or something like that. He dies. Never exposed to anything but his tribe. You're telling me he will go to hell and not heaven? What about some lady's child that dies at birth in a hospital? Having never had the chance to leave the operating table. This child will go to hell because they never knew? Their mother or fathers beliefs don't affect what happens to the kid,

10-24-2010, 12:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Puffman LeavesOfGrassMyAss! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 6,550 Thanks: 538 Thanked 251 Times in 163 Posts	i think thats what they beleive. but i'm not 100% sure, there must be someone more qualified than me to explain the tenants of christianity. i do however know thats what jehova's witnesses believe (that unless you believe their BS when the world randomly implodes only they will be taken to paradise and the rest of us are fucked). i had an otherwise seemingly-rational friend who actually believed that nonsense.

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Sugar420 Freedom Bird Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,138 Thanks: 41 Thanked 181 Times in 731 Posts	if i knew nothing or very little about sweden it would be silly of me to give a lot of opinions about whats wrong with sweden and ask questions such as why do swedes eat so much raw fish and torture themselves with unpleasant steam baths out of some swedish sense of guilt, and go on with other wacky ideas while making no effort to find out anything real about sweden. we have all heard a lot of wacky ideas people have had about christianity who claim that youll go to hell if you dont do this or that but what does Christ actually say/teach? this i think is more important than what preachers and other people say about Him. i think that people that never heard of Jesus get judged by Jah looking into their hearts.

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Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	people who spread their beliefs, no matter the person, without being asked, are making the mortal mistake of assuming they know the truth. i dont think any one religion is the truth and the best religions are the ones willing to admit that there are many paths. ie buddhism. actually thats about the only one, i think. the rest are too self-absorbed and high and mighty to make room for the possibility that they might be wrong. probably some sects of what the west calls 'hinduism' are willing to admit they might not know all. then again if someone is genuinely curious about religion and they ask specifically for information about your faith i see nothing wrong in sharing and seeing if they would be interested. as long as you arent slitting their throats if they refuse. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

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cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	lol @ the pope. his hat is funny. __________________

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