Snowmayne

how do they make you feel

do you feel sympathy. do you view them as cowards. are they pieces of shit for taking their own lives and bringing sadness to others?

to answer my own question, I kinda feel like fuck em. this world we live in has to many different things to find joy in, to many people to befriend, and to many things to see and do.

this however doesn't apply to those with serious medical problems or are in extreme pain from medical problems, and decide to end it themselves, instead of waiting for the inevitable.

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JcP

I am not in their shoes. So passing judgement is silly.

I do think it takes tremendous amounts of COURAGE to willfully choose the "unknown" over the "known," so I do take a little issue with people who view them as cowards.

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Snowmayne

Eh, I have no problem with passing judgment on them, weak minded shit imo.

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CowMan

I had a friend kill himself earlier this year, so this hits close to home for me. I feel that every person should have the right to do whatever the fuck they want to themselves. That goes from smoking weed to killing yourself.

Its your life, if you want to end it, who can stop you?

Still, when my friend hung himself early on a summer saturday morning, i was filled with a lot of emotions, one of them was anger. How could such a promising young man decide to take his life and deprive the world of all that potential? What a selfish act I thought.

Still the strongest emotion was of deep sadness and regret that as a community we failed him. I don't think i felt sympathy because i'm not a very "suicidal" type of person, but i felt empathy for his family and the suffering they went though. Still, it was his choice, so in the end... i guess that's what he wanted. And i believe that every man gets what he wants.

Just wondering, but does "serious medical problems" include clinical depression?

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Snowmayne

I don't know cowman that was part of my initial thought process while making this thread, and I think my answer would be no.

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SageTree

I think it's in our nature to want to survive.
So, imo, there is always some sort of sickness or void involved.


Sometimes I understand why this may have been a relief, like my Friend John who came back from Iraq, however it doesn't ever fail to bring on sympathy and sorrow that as a society there still isn't a better alternative in some eyes who end their life this way.

Why they can't find light at the end of the tunnel, or why if people want to 'end their life' they just allegorically end their life where they live and pick what they want to keep and move to a new place, state or station. I know not everyone has the means, but many of the people I've known in my life who have killed themselves have had enough money to go to a new town and find a new job. There I feel one might look at how the issues or problems change....

However the flaw in this logic comes back to my earlier statement about there being something not right or missing, preventing such logical action to move or risk counseling.



What brings the subject up for you Mayne?

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Snowmayne

eh, the whole wear purple to remember those dudes who were gay and killed themselves I guess


its like why, why remember them? theres plenty of more things to remember than some individual forcing sorrow and sadness on others through one of the most selfish actions there is imo.

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SageTree

I wouldn't miss the forest for the trees in the intent of that event.

While there was a part of it 'to remember' there was also an element of 'let not forget' in relation to the bullying, hardships that led people to feel they 'aught to act the way they did.

I agree with you about acting in ways that leave scars on others lives, but I will say again... there is something missing to the health of the logic people have at the time for whatever reason. I'm sure there are many people who would like to 'end it all' because they don't know what to do, but think of how that would leave their family in a bind and they'd possibly upset people to the same extent, that is wanting to take their life too.

Far too often, when there is a note, what is expressed is that these people want to stop suffering in others life, so if those loved ones can just over look this one act, then they would be so much happier if they just moved on, because, surely, "all the 'aspiring expirent' was doing was bringing down and other wise great lives"

And to me, while there is logic in that... it totally negates the facts of the action.

Hence some irrationality, which I think transcends simple bad judgment and
selfishness.

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Debaser

I think when the decision comes to end or continue YOUR life, a little selfishness is definitely in order, especially if you are suffering.

Now, people who kill themselves over some stupid shit (like a girl/boy) are just wacked. Those are the true selfish people, because they are usually doing it so that they can make someone else feel pain.

The people who recently killed themselves over the bullying incidents I can understand. People are really fucking cruel nowadays and if you're a victim of constant bullying, it can be very very difficult to see the light at the end of the tunnel, especially considering that people who get bullied are typically young and don't yet have the wisdom to realize that no matter how much it sucks, things get better.

Ive been there myself a couple of times, and if I ever talk to anyone who's considering it I always tell them it's the dumbest thing they could ever do. Like Snowmayne said, there is just too many awesome things to do and see in this world, to deprive yourself of those opportunities is ludicrous. I lost count of how many times I've found myself in a situation where I'm telling myself "Boy am I glad I never did it". Of course, things also get much better once you reach full maturity and your brain chemistry evens out from the roller coaster ride that is adolesence.

Life, with all it's great joys, and despite all its great sorrows, is truly a gift not to be squandered. Everyone should live long enough to realize this, at least.

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Lloydy

I think its selfish but whatever if you want to blow your brains out thats your business I suppose

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Mafoo

i dont view suicide as an honorable or dishonorable thing to do. to me its a flaw in modern society that a person can feel so trapped that the only concievable way out is through death. i feel very sorry for the suicidal persons and their families

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Home Wrecker

So does emotional pain not count?

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Mafoo

i look at pain this way. i believe it to be a subjective experience. so if youve only ever had a paper cut, to you that might be unbearably painful. but to the next guy, you're a wimp for even flinching at a paper cut.

i think the same can applied to emotional pain

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SageTree

that is why at the doctor they show you the scale of 1-10 with faces and numbers... It's relative.

Something basically like this:

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Mafoo

i always had such a hard time with those, i would always think too much about the scale and then id be like it doesnt hurt that bad... even if it did. i think i was trying to be a macho little kid

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Waves

why is it weak?

its their life, their choice.

i fucking hate people who judge people who kill themselves. until youve been in the position where you hate your fucking life enough to end it, shut the fuck up.

end of discussion.

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myxomatosis

I've said what I'd have said on this a few times in the past, don't really feel like it now so I'll just second JCP's comment and the ones like it.

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Waves

its true what jcp said

99-99.9999999% of the people who say suicide is "weak" or "for pussies" would never have the balls to do it themselves

that makes it the complete opposite of 'weak'

you are consciously taking the choice to face death. thats some scary shit. imagine the kind of pain a person has to be in to choose that.

its the same assholes who call that person 'weak' that make them want to kill themselves in the first place. the point isnt to degrade them, its to empower them so they can take control of their life.

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cantSEEme

as long as you dont (physically) harm others before you do yourself, im indifferent (unless it's someone i know, or i know someone who knows someone, then i feel for the loss of the person grieving).

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Waves

or how about that dude who decided to jump off a building, but then landed on this ladies car, survived, and now the lady doesnt have enough money to get her car fixed and she cant sue the dude cuz he has no money?

fucking a. if you have to do it, call up doc kevorkian or some shit.

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