So who's moving threads?

[Geeno]

What's the deal?

[Kompressor]

I am, and we all will be in the future.

We're trying to make Yahooka not just about FFA. There's a wide variety of forums here, and we'd like to increase their audience and participation. The description for FFA is "A place for thoughts and ideas that are out of place anywhere else," which i wrote oh so many years ago.

We'd like good threads to be separated and readable from the crap FFA is supposed to contain. If you're butthurt that your informative threads are moved so people who've never been to yahooka have access to them I'm sorry.

[Geeno]

If someone's never been to yahooka, who gives a shit what they have access to? Catering to potential members is one thing, but non members is pretty ridicurous.

And I think that whole google link to ad site thing is a bigger fish to fry than improperly filed threads, if new members is the goal.

[SageTree]

In others words, we like what you got to say Geenow-ledge and there is LOTS of good information that is hard to find. Imo, this is a good more for the overall health of our community.

Non-members who see what they like might likely become members, which we could stand a few more of. The link is one thing, but people showing up to a half dead looking community is still part of the same problem.

[Kompressor]

Originally Posted by Geeno

If someone's never been to yahooka, who gives a shit what they have access to? Catering to potential members is one thing, but non members is pretty ridicurous.

And I think that whole google link to ad site thing is a bigger fish to fry than improperly filed threads, if new members is the goal.

Making non-members into potential members is the whole point. How are we supposed to know the difference without providing content that makes members want to join?

As for google, we don't control google. in order for google to correct it's links, we need more clicks to our site, which means providing more viewable content.

[Sir-Ex]

Well.. I think my time at yahooka is drawing nearer to an end.

[Sir-Ex]

Seriously, every forum I've been to (not necessarily a member, but visited often enough to see the trend) there's a bunch of partially important sections where people visit when it's required, but always everyone tends to just stick to the General Discussion or Anything Goes or Random Chat section because it's quick, simple, and most importantly YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET.


I like scrollling to the bottom of the page, clicking FFA, and seeing what I get. If I have to think about what sort of topic I want to read about before I do it, FUCK THIS place. Which really sucks cuz yahooka rocks.

[Kompressor]

Great for you, not good for people who've never been here.

It's not like every thread will be moved, and most people who use New Posts/Recent Threads will hardly notice.

Sorry to see you go sir-ex, but if something so petty to members yet good for guests is such a big deal i'm sorry.

[SageTree]

Originally Posted by Sir-Ex

Seriously, every forum I've been to (not necessarily a member, but visited often enough to see the trend) there's a bunch of partially important sections where people visit when it's required, but always everyone tends to just stick to the General Discussion or Anything Goes or Random Chat section because it's quick, simple, and most importantly YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET.


I like scrollling to the bottom of the page, clicking FFA, and seeing what I get. If I have to think about what sort of topic I want to read about before I do it, FUCK THIS place. Which really sucks cuz yahooka rocks.

I hear what you are saying Ex.

I think if you hit 'New Posts' instead of going right to FFA you might be equally surprised at the gamble you are seeking. It's a small change, but I bet you can do it

*Komp got to it a little faster about the 'new posts' idea

Hope you'll have a change of heart 'ma Friend.

[Geeno]

[Sir-Ex]

Originally Posted by Kompressor

Sorry to see you go sir-ex, but if something so petty to members yet good for guests is such a big deal i'm sorry.

It's like.. if someone wants to make their thread in ffa it should be in ffa, like they wanted it to be. FFA offers a certain dynamic unique from the other sections of the forum, and if a member wants their thread to be subject to that dynamic, then by all means their wish should be respected.


I've always had a big problem with people taking someone's wishes and doing their own thing with it.

[Dr. ShinDig]

I post in FFA for a reason, I'd like my posts kept there please

[Sir-Ex]

here here



edit: wait is it hear hear? I have no idea lol

[Geeno]

theres somewhat of a decent point to the reasons

i just prefer my moderation with explanation.

Idk about the whole google link redirect thing being googles fault though, it seems like its a bug in yahookas code

[SageTree]

Here's a 'long time ago' story... but we used to move stuff to FFA by request if it got to the point where it needed modded we asked the OP if they wanted it cleaned up or moved to FFA.... sorta reversal from what is being suggested here.

So Geeno... are you saying if you were asked or at least notified that it was being moved you'd be OK with this generally? Not much that is done can't be undone when it comes to moving posts back and forth if minds or content changes.

[Geeno]

idc what people do with threads

just say something

not even ask for permission, just say something. that whole invisible moderator style of doing things has never worked around here, we want explanations and you know this man

[SageTree]

The mods were the ones requesting intel from the member based on how we should mod said thread based on the members hopes.

It was a little different than what is happening here.
Since the intent here is to make content accessible.

The idea isn't to pull every thread out of FFA. There are good threads in here that could better serve the community at large, while there is plenty that could stay in FFA and serve the community that way as well.

Originally Posted by Geeno

idc what people do with threads

just say something

not even ask for permission, just say something. that whole invisible moderator style of doing things has never worked around here, we want explanations and you know this man

That is a fair request imo.

[myxomatosis]

I don't disagree with shit being in it's place, but I think there's a line to be walked between just shoving every topic into somewhere it kinda fits and leaving things be. I mean when jwonder makes his 40th topic about whatever show SCI is playing that weekend that's a clear candidate for the music forum, but something like 'hey guys whats annoying on facebook' isn't entirely suited to be a M&T topic, it's clearly not about that aspect of it but rather the banal updates and annoyances which is clearly a FFA topic.

A little too much thought put into it, but eh, I'm bored.

Regardless though, I gotta agree a "hey I moved this blahblahblah" is a good idea. Also as much as I like the idea of things having their place and having different forums for different purposes I'm not sure the idea of saving a shrinking community by spreading out the contributions made is a smart solution, there's probably a reason some of those subforums fell by the wayside in the first place.

[SageTree]

I concur the 'letting people know' idea.

Myx, it's been said, not everything will go out of FFA, but you bring an interesting point up....

What if there were just some more lulz ffa-esq threads ,like the Facebook thread, in the other forums?

You know, containing a playful element while still obviously in a larger schema 'in it's place' not every thread has to be serious in the sub forums.

Just throwing that out there as a possible consideration as well?

I don't think we'll mod like dicks on what is put in the forums, nor will we likely need to.

I'm glad we're all talking about this in a constructive manner. Thank you.

So to put on the list "Let a member know moderation/movement is taking place"

Cheers,
SageTree

[Entity]

Wow.

This place is unique. I've never heard of any board where mods have to ask members for permission to do their jobs...nor give an explanation as to why.
If a mod deems that a thread violates the rules/TOS of any particular forum, the fact that it's moved should be enough to let the OP know why.

This bit about moving threads to other areas to make potential users sign up seems a bit absurd, IMO.

If they have access to all the best info/threads just being a guest, where's the incentive to join?
If it's just to see what's in the forums that aren't viewable until signed up, it'd be a rather big let down to see that the threads remaining amount to shit, wouldn't it?

Just my 2 cents.