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Old 11-11-2010, 06:29 AM   #41 (permalink)
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in all honesty, 130lbs, 145lbs.. fucking tiny bro, hit the gym and get your weight up.
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Mayne,

Last time I was lifting on a regular basis I was 145 with a 210 bench, doing reps 3x10 with 150..... I don't recall my squat max, but I know it was equally not shabby.

It's worth mentioning that I was training as a long distance runner, pole vault, and javelin.

I don't think being weighty has tons, pun, to do with what you can lift.

You know weight doesn't equal strength, safety said, at least to a point, I'm sure.

I'm familiar with building and know that it take weight to gain mass generally speaking, but I fail to see why being in a healthy BMI and being fit and strong isn't good enough. ie..... what's up with hitting the gym? I certainly have and understand the gain of having a physical practice, so maybe you can break down your reasons?

While we're talking about it and all And I know you're into this stuff.

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Old 11-11-2010, 10:30 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I agree with you sage. I used to work out 3 or 4 times a week and I could bench about the same as you. Even then I only weighed around 150-155 at the time.


Being 150lbs and strong meant I was hella good at long jump. Unfortunately due to my wonderful, consuming drug habits I was never actually in track and field....

...I was also in an upgrading school that didn't have track and field but did have a free gym....

...I guess the only reason I know I was good at long jump was because I liked to get high and go jumping..
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@ the 'high' jump

I did x-country my senior year of high school but was partying too much to do that t/f near the end of the year. Was the first year I did any drugs in high school and drinking up to that point didn't damper my sports participation. So I just figured one sport the senior yet and getting a different extra curricular on for the rest of the year was probably ok

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Mayne,

Last time I was lifting on a regular basis I was 145 with a 210 bench, doing reps 3x10 with 150..... I don't recall my squat max, but I know it was equally not shabby.

It's worth mentioning that I was training as a long distance runner, pole vault, and javelin.

I don't think being weighty has tons, pun, to do with what you can lift.

You know weight doesn't equal strength, safety said, at least to a point, I'm sure.

I'm familiar with building and know that it take weight to gain mass generally speaking, but I fail to see why being in a healthy BMI and being fit and strong isn't good enough. ie..... what's up with hitting the gym? I certainly have and understand the gain of having a physical practice, so maybe you can break down your reasons?

While we're talking about it and all And I know you're into this stuff.

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Well first off I was really just giving merc a hard time cause 130 is quiet laughable even at 5'7.

Secondly I'm not really sure what you are asking me.
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Mayne,

Last time I was lifting on a regular basis I was 145 with a 210 bench, doing reps 3x10 with 150..... I don't recall my squat max, but I know it was equally not shabby.

It's worth mentioning that I was training as a long distance runner, pole vault, and javelin.

I don't think being weighty has tons, pun, to do with what you can lift.

You know weight doesn't equal strength, safety said, at least to a point, I'm sure.

I'm familiar with building and know that it take weight to gain mass generally speaking, but I fail to see why being in a healthy BMI and being fit and strong isn't good enough. ie..... what's up with hitting the gym? I certainly have and understand the gain of having a physical practice, so maybe you can break down your reasons?

While we're talking about it and all And I know you're into this stuff.

Cheers,
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Well yea... 130 seems pretty low... but when you mentioned 145 under my post and I have/do weighed 145, I just thought I'd chime in.

I'm asking about:
Why do you go?
What do you into it?
Do you feel there is anything wrong with being on the skinny side but being healthy, strong etc?

They are option I suppose, not like hard core I have to know, just wanted to get some talking happening in case Merc or others on the slim side come to read about this... maybe you have some jewels for us?

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Well first off I was really just giving merc a hard time cause 130 is quiet laughable even at 5'7.

Secondly I'm not really sure what you are asking me.
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Old 11-11-2010, 12:29 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I'm asking about:
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What do you into it?
Do you feel there is anything wrong with being on the skinny side but being healthy, strong etc?
No I don't think there is anything wrong with weighing 145. It will eventually limit your ability to get any stronger as you can only put on so much muscle on that frame.. You'll eventually have to start eating more to gain more muscle otherwise you will plateau.

I go to the gym for a few different reasons. First and foremost is the healthy side of things. I'm forced to live a much more healthy lifestyle, eat good, get my needed amount of sleep, I quit smoking cigarettes, I rarely drink and hardly ever to abundance these days. No fast food/junk food for the most part. I feel much better in general and just about myself because of all of this. I always have energy and it puts my emotional status in much better standings as well.

Secondly, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy changing my body and getting bigger. I don't do this for anyone but myself, but do enjoy the overall confidence boost I have from it. I like getting stronger, being able to lift more weight than I could last week as well as getting bigger from it.

Lifting weights isn't just a hobby for me. Its a lifestyle. I plan to lift for years to come and take on the needs that come with it.

"No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates
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Old 11-11-2010, 12:42 PM   #48 (permalink)
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No I don't think there is anything wrong with weighing 145. It will eventually limit your ability to get any stronger as you can only put on so much muscle on that frame.. You'll eventually have to start eating more to gain more muscle otherwise you will plateau.

I go to the gym for a few different reasons. First and foremost is the healthy side of things. I'm forced to live a much more healthy lifestyle, eat good, get my needed amount of sleep, I quit smoking cigarettes, I rarely drink and hardly ever to abundance these days. No fast food/junk food for the most part. I feel much better in general and just about myself because of all of this. I always have energy and it puts my emotional status in much better standings as well.

Secondly, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy changing my body and getting bigger. I don't do this for anyone but myself, but do enjoy the overall confidence boost I have from it. I like getting stronger, being able to lift more weight than I could last week as well as getting bigger from it.

Lifting weights isn't just a hobby for me. Its a lifestyle. I plan to lift for years to come and take on the needs that come with it.

"No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates
That is a GREAT answer man. Thanks.

I mentioned the weight to gain mass think and I'm sure that is where I have stopped and stayed for many years. Landscaping and doing physical work has been really good for me and that is sorta where I get that kick in my life now. I really understand about the second part of what you added as well. In the gym and now during the coarse of my season in the earth I notice how things fit different, how I look and how much my Wife's eyes bug out .

It's nice to hear your practice and I'll call it that because all but a few things, the early stuff you mentioned is about the same way I approach mediation and mindfulness, which I'm sure you can grasp that idea because of the focus for pushing though weight when lifting. Concentration. The other side of mediation is insight, which is very practically the way you feel when you leave the gym and your over all being from the ritual.

For me that was a cool over lap. Not to compare brain and brawl too much ,because each has their own nuance, I just had to chuckle because the start read like some dharma talks I've been too.

"Karma is real. You're an ass hole. You sit to meditate. It will be hard" (focus for lifting/or motivation)
"Each crap, meditate like crap." (diet)
Etc....

I really dig that quote as well for the reasons I mentioned above about loving my work, which also provides that meditative stimulus, much like I described concentration w/ lifting, mindful of how it feels, knowing it beyond the brain.... so I'd add to that mental physic as well. The two really cross over and I wonder what it would be like listening to certain meditations while doing a congruently appropriate amount of weight. It would be super slow I'm sure and when you push weight slow you get a different kind of burn as well.


So anyways... just thoughts about your thoughts as well, so thanks again for sharing.

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Old 11-11-2010, 02:21 PM   #49 (permalink)
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said sizes are sad sizes.. rubix man 2 years ago i was probably an 18.5 just as skinny as you are. skinny as fucking shit, e m a c i a t e d, looking like i just escaped a FEMA camp.

ex: thats cool man, skiier props and such gl with the knee, i know what a raincloud that kind of shit can be on your fav activities.. last year when camping with family in the san juan islands, on stuart island, and my dad after a bottle of white wine and a bunch of crab walked off the trail, and off a 20' cliff. his ankle shattered on the rock. straight rock not sand haha it was scary i heard him and thought, did my dad just die?

anyways his ankle now slows him down, cant ski, but can play tennis.

fucking decomposing organic matter that is our bodies! fmlol.
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HOLY SHIT that sounds painful lol
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eh, my back gettin better, got like 15 more rehab sessions, then ill be in the gym again; lol as if it looks like i did in the first place
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That is a GREAT answer man. Thanks.

I mentioned the weight to gain mass think and I'm sure that is where I have stopped and stayed for many years. Landscaping and doing physical work has been really good for me and that is sorta where I get that kick in my life now. I really understand about the second part of what you added as well. In the gym and now during the coarse of my season in the earth I notice how things fit different, how I look and how much my Wife's eyes bug out .

It's nice to hear your practice and I'll call it that because all but a few things, the early stuff you mentioned is about the same way I approach mediation and mindfulness, which I'm sure you can grasp that idea because of the focus for pushing though weight when lifting. Concentration. The other side of mediation is insight, which is very practically the way you feel when you leave the gym and your over all being from the ritual.

For me that was a cool over lap. Not to compare brain and brawl too much ,because each has their own nuance, I just had to chuckle because the start read like some dharma talks I've been too.

"Karma is real. You're an ass hole. You sit to meditate. It will be hard" (focus for lifting/or motivation)
"Each crap, meditate like crap." (diet)
Etc....

I really dig that quote as well for the reasons I mentioned above about loving my work, which also provides that meditative stimulus, much like I described concentration w/ lifting, mindful of how it feels, knowing it beyond the brain.... so I'd add to that mental physic as well. The two really cross over and I wonder what it would be like listening to certain meditations while doing a congruently appropriate amount of weight. It would be super slow I'm sure and when you push weight slow you get a different kind of burn as well.


So anyways... just thoughts about your thoughts as well, so thanks again for sharing.

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Don't be so quick to not wanna connect brain and muscle sage. For me they go hand in hand. You gotta get that focus and build the connection, and for some meditation plays a key role in body building.

Heres a video I think you'll dig. I tried to find one of Kai speaking more on his meditation rituals and what not, but its late and this was the best I could do.

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Your absolutely correct Mayne.

I don't feel there is a separation in the mind/body complex.

Before me was a long winded answer, but I decided to start over again.

Basically, I said there was an over lap and I didn't want to say they were the same, because I didn't want to take away your words or to put words in the mouth.

There are a lot of meditation techniques, even if for some it's just the concentration side. Running, weights, yoga, martial arts all have that same capacity to be filled with a meditative/concentrated/aware mind which inseparably leads to the body.

So I'm glad I was clear enough to be understand in what I was getting at, and I hope I made sense of why I held back a little. I wasn't sure if you were a 'meditation is for pussies' kinda guy or not, which is no discredit to anyone who is but I was rather refreshed to have you come back in nearly a wtf about me sounding like I was pulling them apart a little.

So thanks for that.

I REALLY enjoyed that video a lot and if there is ever any meditation talk specifically that I can offer let me know as I'll keep in mind if I get back in the gym for weights. Also thanks for indulging the talk here, it was good.

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