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Old 12-06-2010, 02:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question complete nonsense, help yahooki

Alright so the situation is that in one of my college courses the professor announced that only international students could bring dictionaries to the exam. She did not extend this courtesy to her American students. I would like to think the best of my peers, but Iíve observed cheating in the past so I asked her what she would do to ensure students were not writing in the margins. She said ďthat is a good questionĒ then decided to have the TAís check them before the exam.

But, Iím still a little irked.
She says she tries her best to treat all her students as fair. But I feel like itís reverse discrimination. How can she give half the class dictionaries when this would give them an advantage on the exam.

Anyways I talked to the head of the department and he said I could file a complaint but advised me not to. Iím not sure if he is just doing this because as the Chair of the department it is something he might have to deal with. Also he is on some board with the professor I am having a problem with.

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There are general statements about reasonable conduct and fairness, and
about transparency of grading procedure... the only recourse, it seems to
me, is a formal grievance. All personnal, faculty, students, and staff,
are allowed to file grievances, which will be heard by an impartial jury.
They are not fun. They are hard for all parties, and there really are no
winners, and I do not encourage you to follow this course (for a very
serious transgression, yes indeed, and that's why the policy is there; but
not for this kind of issue).
I'm glad you have agreed to meet personally with Dr ______.
Believe me, she wants to do the right thing. She is a very decent person.
Let me know how it goes.

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I try not to compare myself to others but I really feel like separate rules for the exam based on country of origin is reverse discrimination to Americans. They are able to follow her lecture and slides so wtf.

She (the professor that made the dictionary clause) is foreign btw.

But because of the email this other guy gave me, now Iím not sure if I should just drop it.

What do you guys think?
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Old 12-06-2010, 02:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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what class is this for?
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Old 12-06-2010, 02:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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cultural anthropology. Exam was multiple choice questions and essay questions.
I think that some of the terms in the MC and essay could have been easier to answer with a dictionary
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1st of all, what advantage is a dictionary going to give the other students?

ive had classes with similiar rules, dictionaries for persons where english is not their 1st language. i dont think it was really to the students advantage because the test was timed so its not like they could go through and look up every word. is that how your class is?

edit: i was typing out my post when you posted what class it was. is the grading competitive? if its not id just drop it. the teacher is probably going to fail half of those non english speaking students because they wont score highly on the essay part of the test, which is what the dictionary is being used for i asume.
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If yoo wanna make a big deal about it make your grievance.

If you can complete the course with a satisfactory grade regardless I wouldn't worry about it. I get what you're saying, it isn't fair, but some times what's best for you is the option which is going to cause you the least bit of bs.

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Old 12-06-2010, 03:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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well the exam is timed but very easy to finish before the time is up.
A dictionary could help with the multiple choice questions which asked you to pick the best answer for certain questions...such as "what is secularism?"


Now most of us can easily answer this question.

But there are some students in my class that are still American but maybe wouldnt know the answer. (like guys on football team or whatever)

A dictionary would help someone pick the best answer.

who is to say an american student would know the word

my chemistry professor doesnt say well girls are bad at math so only girls can bring calculators to the exam!
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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illest, im guessing that the exam would be easy to finish before time is up IF YOU CAN READ AND SPEAK ENGLISH LIKE A NATIVE.

if you can barely speak english, you wont have enough time to sit there and look everything up because youd be stuggling to put sentences together for the essay or w/e.

what level is this course? is it a GE?
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I have no problem with them having dictionaries but I have a problem with her saying American students cant bring them. We should be allowed the same supplemental help that native speakers are.

Who is to say an american wouldnt know the word.

Why should a native have the term handed to them on a silver platter yet not the American
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during segregation blacks were able to drink from the water fountains designated to them...but that doesnt mean it's still right.
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american students were educated in english, you were literally taught the information that other people taking the same test were not taught

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waves, what are u talking about?

if they attended class then we all learned the same information lol
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in american schools, the curriculum is taught in english. so americans whove managed to get into college should have no need to define words


so what are you going to do, illest?
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Does this mean that I get a dictionary on my Spanish exam or, better yet, a laptop with internet to use Google's language tools?


These kids are going for a degree from an American college. In America, we speak English. If you are unable to speak, read and write the English language well enough without the assistance of a reference, then in my opinion you do not deserve a degree from an American institution. Otherwise, we're just reinforcing the notion that illiteracy is okay, so long as your skin is brown.
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you are dumb for complaining about this if english is your first language

complaining pretty much labels you a troublemaker, and they will make sure that this is reflected in your official file. if you think you are being seriously disadvantaged by not having a dictionary, file the complaint.

would you actually have time to look up a bunch of stuff with a dictionary? your grasp of the english language seems fine to me based on your posts.
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poatheed, thank you for actually being intelligent enough to recognize my gripe.
Obviously the others are seeing this issue at a micro level.
it is definitly the principle of the situation and that all students in a class should be treated equal.

besides if i were to go to university in India, they wouldnt be like "oh poor little white girl, here...look up all the information because you dont speak our language"
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in my experiences, using a dicitonary was allowed only if english wasnt your first language, not if you are american or not. if thats what the teacher said, that is lame and possibly discrimination, but like captain cannabis is saying, it might not be worth "sticking your neck out" over something like this, unless you will be at a disadvantage on the exam.
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Actually, in India they would probably be speaking English anyway, 'cause their business-sense is light years ahead of the West.




Also, I'm not a fan of giving kids with dyslexia or any other learning disabilities any extra help in the classroom (no one is going to give you more time to seal that business deal just because you otnd dare lewl.) But I've been told that makes me an asshole, so there you have it, I guess.
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you have righteous indignation. tell the teach how you feel and make her aware of such a redic inequality but realize that this entire country is broken. let's not hate the state not the individual. but individually dont take shit from the teacher. talk to your peers and start a resistance to the policy.

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ya that does make you an asshole

and if you cant see that taking a test written in a language you are in the process of learning is a disadvantage, then i think thats pretty much the same thing.

im still curious as to what level this course is and if its for general eductation or not
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