the connectedness of the world as expressed by torrents

John F. Kerry · 03-04-2011, 11:37 AM

its just kinda amazing, in a everyday-you-can-be-newly-amazed
kind of way the way that humanity is now linked by the internet.
case in point, my new torrent client shows flags from your peers which tell you what country the other people who are downloading the file are in.

so i was looking at those and for a movie about nasa there were like 2 americans, and the rest were crazy things, 1 saudi arabian, 1 greece, 1 portugal, a few argentina.... just amazing. when u think your downloading torrents and sharing with people u think maybe its a person across the country... but the people downloading bits of the same program from me are as far away as argentina at one end and russia and saudi arabia at the other-

its another element in the story which also has elements about what has been going on in the middle east. individual people being connected. the fact that if some kid in saudi arabia wants to read up on the corruption of his own government all he has to do is go online and download a file from someone in brazil who made a documentary about saudi arabia- totally bypassing the local controls and totally allowing access to free information.

the internet has pushed rousseaus theories to the limit- and its amazing that they seem to have endured- "if all ideas can be equally sold at the marketplace of ideas than the best ideas will naturally rise to the top and the bad ones will fall by the wayside" - rousseaus marketplace of ideas in the age of the internet (good book title for someone to write ; ) ) but 2 results i can think of are - 1, that these corrupt gov'ts in the mid east (or anywhere) cant prevent their own people from seeing truth and getting the truth out to the world anymoire.... and 2, that americans have been able to see the world in a more raw un-scripted way over the past couple decades and look at how it has changed us- even right wing hawks dont advocate going into every country and u hear some right wing people talk about not "being the worlds policeman"... this is an example of how ideas have flowed the other way.... from the third world and the non-aligned world- to us.

pretty amazing. i wonder if rousseau ever imagined his ideas were so good that they would work on this scale.

John F. Kerry · 03-04-2011, 11:46 AM

uae finland china and india for another one... damn its crazy .

http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation

another cool thing, with this u can see a map of the city they are in. nothing more specific than city . but its just amazing. one of my torrents has people from a city on the saudi coast and some deep inland city in kazakhstan.... and im sending little bits of the file to them from my computer in america... fucking amazing. like u know that light travels at the speed of light but when u realize that that means that i can send a 1 bit piece of a movie to some guy in a house in the interior of kazakstan or guandong province its just pretty amazing.

Qui-Bong Jinn · 03-04-2011, 12:01 PM

Ya man, it is amazing. Me and my friends were talking about the exact same thing 2 days ago. Internet is the one place nobody will ever control, you can find literally anything that comes to mind.

Štulic · 03-04-2011, 12:06 PM

Reads like a post from 6 years ago.

Black · 03-04-2011, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qui-Bong Jinn

Internet is the one place nobody will ever control.

wrong.

Cerpin Taxt · 03-04-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Black

wrong.

I still stand by my belief that if there ever is a WWIII, the Internet will either be the catalyst or an integral part of it.

Flamingnun · 03-04-2011, 12:27 PM

lol Jwonder finally discovers Utorrent in 2011.

Qui-Bong Jinn · 03-04-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Black

wrong.

By who? It belongs to no one country officially. If a country tried to claim it they'd get smacked down very fast.
Organizations may think they own the internet, but everytime a website gets shutdown, another website of the same nature is created man.

Cerpin Taxt has it right.

Ego Tripping · 03-04-2011, 01:16 PM

I used to think that but the corporations and governments at the end of the day have their hands on the master switches. All it takes is a major backbone or two to be shut off and you can't surf any websites at all...look at Egypt. If the US shut down its major datacenters, we could actually take a good portion of the world's internet down since the majority of servers that other countries rely on are located inside the United States. In a way, the US "owns" the Internet because if we go down, most everyone does too.

Eventually though, it could be rebuilt through wireless point to points and omnis, but that would be a heavy undertaking for citizens to perform. So yeah, nobody philosophically owns the internet, but realistically and technologically, the aformentioned powers that be, do. You would just hope the backlack would be so great (whatever that means) from the citizens that they would never attempt to do anything like that.

Black · 03-04-2011, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerpin Taxt

I still stand by my belief that if there ever is a WWIII, the Internet will either be the catalyst or an integral part of it.

thats a damn good script idea Taxt
binary code war sequences with computer sounds for sound effects and some other craaaazy shit man, we will call it World War Wii -Sponsored by Nintendo and the World Wide Web

um what???

John F. Kerry · 03-04-2011, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

I used to think that but the corporations and governments at the end of the day have their hands on the master switches. All it takes is a major backbone or two to be shut off and you can't surf any websites at all...look at Egypt. If the US shut down its major datacenters, we could actually take a good portion of the world's internet down since the majority of servers that other countries rely on are located inside the United States. In a way, the US "owns" the Internet because if we go down, most everyone does too.

Eventually though, it could be rebuilt through wireless point to points and omnis, but that would be a heavy undertaking for citizens to perform. So yeah, nobody philosophically owns the internet, but realistically and technologically, the aformentioned powers that be, do. You would just hope the backlack would be so great (whatever that means) from the citizens that they would never attempt to do anything like that.

good point they can turn it off. but then its like the berlin wall- it clearly illustrates to everyone who is doing what and that the authorities are trying to shut of information to do something diabolical... shutting it down isnt neutral.... but your right that it can have its power eliminted frighteningly easily in a short period- but there are consequeneces of that too - i wonder if the future will see more ways to evade control, or better ways of control - or a competition between the two indefinately... it will be interesting to see if one side comes up with an innovation to either free it or control it that changes the game and makes it either ubiquitous or easily shut down....

The Rev · 03-04-2011, 01:59 PM

"if all ideas can be equally sold at the marketplace of ideas than the best ideas will naturally rise to the top and the bad ones will fall by the wayside" - Rousseau

I like this idea alot. The problem with it is, people are irrational. They actually will throw away good ideas for bad, especially when those bad ideas are connected with basic needs or fears.

I remember playing a game of Quake with a kid from Croatia back in the late 90's and just being amazed that there I was, playing a game and chatting, with someone in a country thousands of miles away. Even here on YaHooka, I have made friends in countries from all over the world (mostly western countries, but still). The Internet is a game changer on every level, from the interpersonal to the worldwide political.

The Rev

Ego Tripping · 03-04-2011, 09:36 PM

^^ No doubt, agreed...its a digital mirror for mankind.

Štulic · 03-04-2011, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rev

"if all ideas can be equally sold at the marketplace of ideas than the best ideas will naturally rise to the top and the bad ones will fall by the wayside" - Rousseau

I like this idea alot. The problem with it is, people are irrational. They actually will throw away good ideas for bad, especially when those bad ideas are connected with basic needs or fears.

I remember playing a game of Quake with a kid from Croatia back in the late 90's and just being amazed that there I was, playing a game and chatting, with someone in a country thousands of miles away. Even here on YaHooka, I have made friends in countries from all over the world (mostly western countries, but still). The Internet is a game changer on every level, from the interpersonal to the worldwide political.

The Rev

It's funny but your early 90's experience completely resemble my old man's 1950 - 1980's experience with his VHF ham radio.

He was so into it, tapping his Morse taper having his ancient headphones on for hours and hours every day, we used to get hundreds of QSL cards from random radio amateurs he had contact with, from literally every corner or remote island in the world. I remember his special collection of QSL's of remote atlantic and pacific lighthouse stations.

I know it's primitive but I'm pretty sure he felt the same way you did back then.

The Rev · 03-05-2011, 12:16 AM

I had a friend who's dad had a ham radio, back in the early 80's. Back when you could have a huge obnoxious antenna in your neighborhood without the HOA going all apeshit on you. Things have really changed.

I used to walk to school by myself when I was in grade school. I rode my bike without a helmet (and sometimes without shoes). You didn't have to piss into a cup (or worse) to get a job. People weren't afraid of everything. Compared to the world I grew up in, this one seems like it's having a nervous breakdown (or is on the verge of one). It's weird, too, because this is a much better time to be alive, objectively speaking. They didn't have bypass surgery, and heart transplants and so many therapies for cancer and such. We didn't have such an awareness about bigotry, and other social issues. But it isn't better, because the world is so full of fear and anger and hysteria, really. People are so into controlling things, and each other. Depresses me, alot.

The Rev

Ego Tripping · 03-05-2011, 08:46 AM

I think it only appears that way, Rev. Much like shining a light into a dark room that exposes things we might not have seen/wanted to see with the lights off, we know more now and our awareness also uncovers the things that were there all along that we simply didn't want to look at. The world has always been on the verge of a nervous breakdown relative to its population and time. Imagine if we had worldwide televised/internet media coverage of the Crusades or even the migration of the slaves after the civil war. You would think we were going to implode at any second!

So I would say the only reason that people weren't afraid of everything is that people weren't even aware of how much out there that there is to be afraid of. We have more responsibility as an individual now as we grow together as a human race. The individual now grows up knowing they need to help along the cause of human rights, freedoms, climate change/taking care of a fragile environment, corruption in governments, etc..

Things are not 'bad' at all, we're just maturing as a species and its painful/scary sometimes to come into our own power. I think its f'in exciting!

Geeno · 03-05-2011, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rev

"if all ideas can be equally sold at the marketplace of ideas than the best ideas will naturally rise to the top and the bad ones will fall by the wayside" - Rousseau

I like this idea alot. The problem with it is, people are irrational. They actually will throw away good ideas for bad, especially when those bad ideas are connected with basic needs or fears.

I remember playing a game of Quake with a kid from Croatia back in the late 90's and just being amazed that there I was, playing a game and chatting, with someone in a country thousands of miles away. Even here on YaHooka, I have made friends in countries from all over the world (mostly western countries, but still). The Internet is a game changer on every level, from the interpersonal to the worldwide political.

The Rev

Ill never forget playing Diablo online with someone from korea and realizing that people all over the world can be tards too

vanilla · 03-05-2011, 09:21 AM

dont forget about mcluhan's four laws of media, in relation to movies/music and their rampant illegal distribution over the internet...

Sir-Ex · 03-05-2011, 10:00 AM

I wish my copy of diablo 2 was legit so I could play online. I have a lvl 20 amazon right now, playing on hardcore mode where if I die once that's it, game over.

I've been too afraid to play the last couple days. Gotta work up the courage.

Oh yeah and, the internet, people having them ideas, sharing them, big picture stuff, siht's real, woah, yeah, fo sho. Satellites.

Hey when's the next SC2 chapter come out?

Sir-Ex · 03-05-2011, 10:05 AM

and yeah i just watched a few minutes of people showing off the veins on their neck pulsating on youtube. Go internet.

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Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	I used to think that but the corporations and governments at the end of the day have their hands on the master switches. All it takes is a major backbone or two to be shut off and you can't surf any websites at all...look at Egypt. If the US shut down its major datacenters, we could actually take a good portion of the world's internet down since the majority of servers that other countries rely on are located inside the United States. In a way, the US "owns" the Internet because if we go down, most everyone does too. Eventually though, it could be rebuilt through wireless point to points and omnis, but that would be a heavy undertaking for citizens to perform. So yeah, nobody philosophically owns the internet, but realistically and technologically, the aformentioned powers that be, do. You would just hope the backlack would be so great (whatever that means) from the citizens that they would never attempt to do anything like that. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,865 Thanks: 5,018 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	"if all ideas can be equally sold at the marketplace of ideas than the best ideas will naturally rise to the top and the bad ones will fall by the wayside" - Rousseau I like this idea alot. The problem with it is, people are irrational. They actually will throw away good ideas for bad, especially when those bad ideas are connected with basic needs or fears. I remember playing a game of Quake with a kid from Croatia back in the late 90's and just being amazed that there I was, playing a game and chatting, with someone in a country thousands of miles away. Even here on YaHooka, I have made friends in countries from all over the world (mostly western countries, but still). The Internet is a game changer on every level, from the interpersonal to the worldwide political. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

03-04-2011, 09:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	^^ No doubt, agreed...its a digital mirror for mankind. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,865 Thanks: 5,018 Thanked 5,421 Times in 2,865 Posts	I had a friend who's dad had a ham radio, back in the early 80's. Back when you could have a huge obnoxious antenna in your neighborhood without the HOA going all apeshit on you. Things have really changed. I used to walk to school by myself when I was in grade school. I rode my bike without a helmet (and sometimes without shoes). You didn't have to piss into a cup (or worse) to get a job. People weren't afraid of everything. Compared to the world I grew up in, this one seems like it's having a nervous breakdown (or is on the verge of one). It's weird, too, because this is a much better time to be alive, objectively speaking. They didn't have bypass surgery, and heart transplants and so many therapies for cancer and such. We didn't have such an awareness about bigotry, and other social issues. But it isn't better, because the world is so full of fear and anger and hysteria, really. People are so into controlling things, and each other. Depresses me, alot. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

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Qui-Bong Jinn Jedi High Council Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 2,135 Thanks: 911 Thanked 501 Times in 372 Posts	Ya man, it is amazing. Me and my friends were talking about the exact same thing 2 days ago. Internet is the one place nobody will ever control, you can find literally anything that comes to mind.

03-05-2011, 08:46 AM	#16 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	I think it only appears that way, Rev. Much like shining a light into a dark room that exposes things we might not have seen/wanted to see with the lights off, we know more now and our awareness also uncovers the things that were there all along that we simply didn't want to look at. The world has always been on the verge of a nervous breakdown relative to its population and time. Imagine if we had worldwide televised/internet media coverage of the Crusades or even the migration of the slaves after the civil war. You would think we were going to implode at any second! So I would say the only reason that people weren't afraid of everything is that people weren't even aware of how much out there that there is to be afraid of. We have more responsibility as an individual now as we grow together as a human race. The individual now grows up knowing they need to help along the cause of human rights, freedoms, climate change/taking care of a fragile environment, corruption in governments, etc.. Things are not 'bad' at all, we're just maturing as a species and its painful/scary sometimes to come into our own power. I think its f'in exciting! __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,416 Thanks: 1,726 Thanked 3,821 Times in 2,258 Posts	I wish my copy of diablo 2 was legit so I could play online. I have a lvl 20 amazon right now, playing on hardcore mode where if I die once that's it, game over. I've been too afraid to play the last couple days. Gotta work up the courage. Oh yeah and, the internet, people having them ideas, sharing them, big picture stuff, siht's real, woah, yeah, fo sho. Satellites. Hey when's the next SC2 chapter come out? __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

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Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,416 Thanks: 1,726 Thanked 3,821 Times in 2,258 Posts	and yeah i just watched a few minutes of people showing off the veins on their neck pulsating on youtube. Go internet. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

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