SageTree

Thanks for explaining.... what "IS" the 'discussion style' in P&C?
I see it as nothing more than a focused FFA.
No one's said anything in this thread that would get them kicked out of P&C, hence why it was OK to move it there.


What IF there was no FFAspecificlly?



No... it's only me Terry, as far as I know. I'm speaking for myself not on behalf of the Mods

We're a "Resource" so having things as filed as possible is the goal in my mind.

ALL in my opinion:

FFA was an 'prison island' where people who wouldn't/couldn't fathom moderation were allowed to go because it wasn't worth the bother to keep up the cat and mouse game....

FFA isn't Free, in other words. It's THE most restricted place on the boards.... because people seem to believe that they aren't 'allowed' to post anywhere else on the boards because they'll get beef from the mods as well as some other personal reasons....

So in that regard you were relegated to FFA, instead of being straight up banned, to put it in extreme terms. Not saying people didn't value you as a person or anything...


I feel it was a last ditch effort, long story short....


So.... some time goes by......


We ALL grow and mature......


Conversations change.......



Now like 95% of YaHooka is in FFA, while 95% of the content could go in forums where it'd be easier to find.

"New Posts" is about all one really has to do in order to get all the latest stuff that's happened here and I am unaware if people use it, or just come to FFA or what... That's not my point really....


I'm concerned that FFA isn't making room at the table for others to come and speak, joining in greater volumes. FFA at one point was a 'watch out if you go there' place, but now I feel people arbitrarily avoid it, as much as the people who only post in FFA avoid the rest of the boards....

And at this point in our community... I feel that is holding us back.

What you all are expressing these days is good shit and I wish more people could get into it, but the 'FFA' label holds people back... to me that is sad.

I won't go into a nostalgia trip, but I'll just say the conversation at one point was a lot more diverse and mingled, and in terms of our collective intelligence, the proverbial 'product' of our boards and the wealth we each got paid back for creating it was an awesome thing.

I think we're becoming redundant and it's keeping us stuck.
And in all truth, this is someone's business venture who pays for all this.


What I'm suggestion isn't 'Punishing' the FFA.... It's saying it can truly be FREE for ALL, to enjoy.





Now I realized there is an element of reality to this






There are some folks who won't/don't do well out of FFA....
And
There are some mods who don't let FFA happen anywhere else.....


A loosening and tightening of sorts can occur.


I have some ideas

1. Cutting the board in sections

*One for really serious content and site issues
*The rest of the boards more or less just being considered opinion and letting a more or less free discussion happen in the forums on that part of the boards.

That helps file some content so that it's more easily found by visitors, new members and US.... It's easier to find old time LuLz when we know where they are.

2. "Random thread"

*I think it's be a good idea to keep the 'Random thread' in FFA as the solo thread and also have one in every forum where it would be useful.

I realize that it's not always thread worthy, but to have a topic-sorted-random would make it more like a news feed of sorts... nothing stopping one from posting in FFA's Random.


3. "General Chat/Random Forum"

There would need to be a place for general ideas that aren't specific to some of the interests in the subfoums and that would exist for sure.


Of course, these are only ideas, and they aren't complete and I'm not dictating what WILL happen or IF ANY thing happens, nor am I opposed to moving this thread to it's own topic to discuss it....

Because.... I believe

Shaking the name and old ways of the FFA is basically my point.....

Let's mix it up, get more people in the conversation and not having this feeling of being an FFA-Memeber as opposed to a member of YaHooka, the dichotomy of 'US' and 'Them' from 5 years ago.......

Terry... the fact for me is that I DONT want to 'be or be known' as I was from 5 years ago.

What I've learned in conversing through PMs with numerous people is that we have some seriously fucking interesting people here.


And I think it's a shame we cloak ourselves with 'who we are' and repress other by 'who we think they are.'


There are gems that we're all missing out on here.


I don't foresee this solving growth problems, but I don't think it could hurt.
And I know we've been here so long a refreshing might be good.

We're a little too comfortable and perhaps think we know each other more than we really do.



Now to wrap it up SageTree style....


!!!



I believe that when the Buddha wanted to show people there was a free (for all) and unbound (unmoderated) way to live a focal point for his teaching was the 'Self' and attachment to what that means .... now there is a lot of debate about what exactly he was talking about...

But the general consensus seems to be that he was teaching the opposite of his Hindu countrymen. BUT.... when I read what the Hindus wrote, I come to feel that they are just talking about Self.... the same self... but in a positive way, a 'this and that' manner of talking verse how the Buddha spoke in a negative means, a not this not that' manner.


The point was that in Buddha's opinion, the shift could occur best when the reference point wasn't something we felt we knew through and through, although, I believe was essentially talking about the same thing, the Self.

In this case "Self" is looking at how we do FFA on the boards, Form or Essence.

Now.... I laugh, because that argument feels redundant as well.

Perhaps I'm going to be trapped in my own example here, but I'll finish.

I'm not claiming to be a Buddha or knowing more than anyone else, but I have feelings and things in my life that I feel make sense to me.


Basically, I feel for YaHooka to be the Freest for All, renaming and shifting our ideas could be a great thing for us all. And that means we ALL can shed our ideas about our 'Selfness', what it means to be here and have the ability to grow further with each other.

To me it's not about changing what happens here in form, just merely a changing in name of how we do the game. And I hope this can help us liberate from being stuck in 'who we are here' and 'how we are here'....... The "Selfness of FFA"


We're still doing the same thing... we still have the same 'Selfness of FFA' as much as One reintegrates that Self into other parts of the boards, but it will be one where we interact sometimes the same, sometimes different..... But we ARE always changing, but FFA is still living...

I know, and THANKS BE!!!! I am NOT who I was when I joined here at 18. Nor do I feel that you all are either. In some ways we're reintegrated ourselves into who we are now, but for the most part, I think we've all grown very close with each other and into our adult lives.


What I envision is a place where we hardly need Mods for more that administration. A self policing, self governing board that looks at itself and challenges itself to be the best better it can be.... and I believe we have that in us.....

I don't like moderating people any more than they like it. It's always a 'how to handle, to be considerate and will there be feedback or back lash' it can be stressful....

What I hope for is a collective of people with the most autonomy possible.

I believe I can wrap it up there..... I wanted to tell you more what was on my mind than anything Terry.


With all that in mind.... we face the fact that we're owned by someone..... and there are needs from TC although they seem few...

It would be great to have a place where TC WANTS to invest and sees that he's getting some return, because frankly, like I said... 'our minds are the product here' and for us to have 'better working conditions' we need some infrastructure reinvestment.

I know the site is slow etc etc.... but why should TC do much at all for YaHooka? It limps along nicely I suppose.... but is that all you want?



I feel that we have potential for growth here, and we're all a little older and a little wiser too.... so even if we don't get new members or new equipment we are at least having inward growth and being as welcoming as possible to the people who are already here.


So I just want to mix it up more than anything and look at ourselves again....


Thanks for reading that...


Like I said... this isn't a mandate and I'd really like to hear some serious thoughts on this. I know it feels stale here sometimes and would venture a guess, not even some people's #1 site they visit anymore....

So chime in, via this or PM.... and if so... I'll move this to make it's own thread.... A little more by the YaHookans and for the YaHookans is a good thing in my book.


Cheers
SageTree

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Captain Cannabis

i like less focused discussions where nobody is obliged to discuss any particular topic. i would be just as happy if this thread was about boners as conservative morons

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SageTree

I wouldn't shut anyone down if they said 'boner' in A&P....
Or even if the topic got to boners.... to me, it's just as fun watching something serious steer 'off topic' for a while, it's very telling of how we work it out and get along....

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Captain Cannabis

crazy thread split!

i probably wouldn't post at yahooka

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SageTree

Let me ask ya', did you read anything I wrote above in my long explanation?

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Captain Cannabis

approx 40%

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SageTree

It's a bit long.... and winding... my apologies.
But I feel it's to be taken as a whole, and would be confusing as fuck to skim!

I'm talking about looking hard at how we Hooka and Who we (think) we are... and the looking at the good and bad parts of that.

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The Don

Is the min post requirement still up for FFA? Ie, x amount of posts before you can post in FFA? Get rid of that, if it's still in place.

Dosn't TC's needs of this board boil down to having a huge database of posts with a variety of subjects about drug use? To help TC increase it's ranking in the goggle? I seem to remember some serious discussion about the deletion of posts, due to the fact that TC wanted these to be searchable.

Btw, after 3-4 years of break, Yahooka deffo seems more tame.

Still all the good people are here, it's just hell of more quiet.

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mothernature

I don't know why everyone doesn't hit the "new post" button. That's what I do. Just skim over the list, and pick the titles I'm interested in. If it's in FFA, I view it with a different attitude.

The people that don't venture in or out of FFA are just limiting themselves.

Cerpin Taxt

I chalk it up to Internet proliferation.

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Qui-Bong Jinn

Why not change the title of FFA to something more welcoming? Why not change all of the names of the different boards, they are all quite bland, lets make them more exciting, add some pizazz to yahooka.

Sir-Ex

FFA is the lifeblood of Yahooka. I shudder to think of it being absorbed into .. 'general discussion' ... has anyone been in there? It's creepy..like hanging out in a high school washroom.


I expect at all times Yahooka to suddenly disappear anyways. I mean, the foundation of its existence seems fairly shaky, and sort of ironic. It's likely if marijuana was legalized, companies like testclear would lose a lot of business and not be able to fund this little hideout.

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Smile

Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

Xil

New Posts is basically my home page

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Orbitrix

FFA > your life

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SageTree

That isn't exactly what I said....

I figure there would still be a discussion forum in the 'play ground/opinion' side of the boards, since it's more like that, and less of a factual content....

IF ANYTHING GD would be MORE like FFA than the other way around.

What I'm talking about is shifting the ideas that we 'know' about the board and start with a fresh idea....


You jumping to 'oh god GD!' is precisely what I DON'T want to happen or for people to get the impression of.

Understand that instead of having an FFA, I want more parts of the boards to be like FFA.... rather than getting rid of FFA in hopes that it becomes more like the 'bland' forums people don't post in for whatever reason.

Honestly, if FFA posts get shifted to ONE forum, for now I'd rather have it be Seasoned Tokers, and then start creating 'new ffa-esq styled' posts in and around the boards.


As to your comments about YaHooka going away at some point, you're likely right......

But it's not that time and some one still does own this site.

If we want TC to reinvest in us, we have to have something to 'sell' him so to speak.

Because YaHooka might eventually die doesn't mean we should just stop trying to evolve and be relevant.....







I feel that to comment on what I'm saying it's really important to read what I wrote in FULL because this isn't an idea to glance at, from top to bottom, it's a complete thought.






Maybe people are okay with YaHooka dying off slowly though?

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Get rid of FFA and everyone who loves FFA so much can come to my forum @ www.blaquedique.net/forum

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Mafoo

i think what it boils down to is that people want to be able to say w/e they want so ffa feels most free in that respect. i dont think the content of the thread has that much to do with where its posted, in most cases.

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SageTree

I'd rather have it thought of as 'incorporating' FFA into the boards, rather than absorbed by the boards... I want it's character to be present, not dissolved.

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Xil

as much as all my instincts tell me never to ask about price... how much is TC floating us anyway?

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Orbitrix

well if you cant find a suitable situation, remember my offer always stands.... send all your hooligans to Blaque Dique dot Net - Index . They can post w/e they want, photoshop whoever they want, and hurt anyone's feelings they want The way the internet should be

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