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Old 04-01-2011, 03:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Can't Obama just show his long form birth certificate?

This isnt birther nonsense anymore. Clearly a large number of people are continuously concerned about this . So whether some people think its kinda ridiculous or even funny, I simply cant understand why Obama wouldn't just release the actual long form birth certificate that according the Hawaii governor is "on file" but "cant be released without the persons consent"
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I think its just pretty obvious that if he wont release it, even tho all these people just ask him to every day, and there are huge vast conspiracies about it.... there can only be ONE reason why he wont just release a document that everyone claims is there and waiting.... and thats , that something about it is either embaressing or that somehow it just doesnt add up- I mean really.... For a long time I thought this was ridiculous.... but now with people like Donald Trump saying this..... its not about Donald Trump.... but its about the situation - if so many prominent people doubt that he was born here.... and the proof of that fact has been ALLEGED TO EXIST BUT ALSO REFUSED TO BE RELEASED.... clearly, that is what is fueling the controversy....

If we knew that either he released it- then it would shut up 95% of the people who think this.... or if he doesnt release it- it will make these people continue to be suspicious and wonder why he wont just release it.

I think some people have political angles on this, and far be it for me to figure out each political angle... I can tell you that I was willing to accept what they say is the truth- and still am.... but it gets harder and harder when you see prominent people out there questioning it- and he just wont release the long form certificate.... All he has to do is release it and this would go away- so it seems to me that Obama either thinks this is good for him because it makes republicans look bad i guess.... or that there is something on it that he doesnt want people to know (or that it doesnt exist).... How could it be anything else? what other explanation would fit this set of facts? anybody? give me another plausible scenario.
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dude you are so retarded its not even funny anymore.
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thats just what msnbc says, and the controversy only grows... .whereas if he would just release it then this would all go away.... hmmm who is retarded?

is it painful to release it? is it shameful? or too intrusive? whats the problem....neil abercrombie, governor of hawaii says he has "SEEN IT" but "hawaiian law doesnt allow us to release it without the persons consent".... so even people who like obama would like to see it- what could it possibly say? that he was short when he was born? or weighed a lot? jesus.... if they just show it, then people couldnt even say this anymore.

this stuff is kinda crazy, but not as crazy as a typical day of glen becks show.... i really would like to see it to put the controversy to rest.... why is that so awful? or disrespectful? I believe he was born here, and i didnt invent the issue... i just want to see it... whats the problem? seriously? just put politics aside and tell me a good reason why he woudlnt release something that is there but "cant be released without his consent" according the the democratic governor of hawaii?
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imo, these "prominent people" you are speaking of just want to keep obama from being re-elected in 2012. trump has pretty much stated as much, so has bachman and palin.

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when people began to doubt that america had a lot of gold reserves in fort knox... there was a big controversy in the 70s when people thought it was just empty and that the feds were bsing people- eventually the only way to put the issue to rest was to send reporters with cameras into fort knox to photograph the gold- thats how things work..... people dont accept things just because some other people say them all the time.... and when a controversy builds.... the only way to end it is to let the sunlight in.... so how is this any different? lots of people are concerned about this (im not really). but as more and more people make it a louder and louder issue it grows a life of its own and the only way to put the doubt out is to just prove it beyond doubt by showing the actual document that the governor of hawaii SAYS EXISTS AND THAT HE SAYS HE HAS SEEN.


( US finsec corruption : Fort Knox probably has not held Gold since the Nixon Shock... )

picture of the last time reporteres were allowed in fort knox...
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imo, these "prominent people" you are speaking of just want to keep obama from being re-elected in 2012. trump has pretty much stated as much, so has bachman and palin.

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clearly thats the short form, computer generated one.... clearly dude.... i mean im not some idiot about this -the one abercrombie wont release is the one people want to see (the fact that it looks so computery is probably one of the reasons this continues- i mean i think thats probably real because it looks so fake that if they were gonna fake it it would look more convincing than that does)
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I thought Jon Stewart took care of this whole 'birther' bullshit.



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clearly thats the short form, computer generated one.... clearly dude.... i mean im not some idiot about this -the one abercrombie wont release is the one people want to see (the fact that it looks so computery is probably one of the reasons this continues- i mean i think thats probably real because it looks so fake that if they were gonna fake it it would look more convincing than that does)
oh, that one. yeah, they're right, obama should be forced to disclose everything about his birth. i mean, bush had to do it, clinton had to do it, reagan had to do it.... right?

why doesnt someone just draw his blood and then run dna tests on it and run dna tests on all the tribes of kenya? nip it in the bud.


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...so if people like you want to really embaress the tea party crazies they should have him release it and even do some dna thing like u said- i mean why not- if he has nothing to hide he should do it and then laugh at the crazy people who thru a mix of racism and republicanism tried to claim he wasnt born here..... instead they say things like - "why should he have to?" "omg facepalm", "what a bunch of retards... " etc.... hes the president, he lives under a microscope.... if so many people want to see it , and he says its there, the only thing that not showing it and not conclusively proving it does is prolong and extend the controversy.... if you think about it- it has nothing to do with the birthers that this continues.... if it seemed crazier and crazier every day less and less people would think about this issue- but actually more and more people are getting at least semi-curious about it- so that would seem to suggest that its getting more and more plausible to people- hes our president, i respect him, and its only with the utmost respect that i wish he would make us all be ashamed of our doubt by being the bigger man and showing it and showing us to be the assholes that we are.... but he hasnt so what can i think ?
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well, the dna thing was sarcasm, really. that would be a huge waste of money, and no matter how it would turn out, it would still give ppl ammo against him.

"wasteful spending" or something along those lines.

imo, i think he proved enough with the computer generated "forgery" as ppl claim it is.
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lets see your birth records....clown, also please present your social security number, your bank account numbers, the numbers to all your trusts and other accounts, pictures of the contents of your safety deposit boxes and full collection of dna samples...

you know to prove that you are infact the ass clown you are pretending to be...
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i mean why not- if he has nothing to hide
yeah? the president should release his birth certificate if ppl demand it. also medical records. psychological evaluations. photos of his presidential peen. i mean if he has nothing to hide...
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i wont keep this up, and admitedly i feel half ashamed to beat a dead horse... so im sorry to those of u who recognize my openmindedness and moderation on many issues.... theres just something about this that , on a human level, doesnt make sense to me, and im honestly sorry and not trying to be an ass by brining it up so i hope u dont think im a dick for doing it....

you people who say things like that, it just makes me wonder.... because you havent seen it either, and so u must have at least some tiny doubt like i do, even if its like the small amount of radiation in our water- not dangerous and just a tiny amount.... without the proof, how can u not have that doubt? thats the way humans are programmed.

so then i think, well, if u have a tiny miniscule doubt.... not even that he wasnt born here, but u must have some tiny doubt that something embaressing is on the long form certificate and thats why u say "why should he have to" etc.... a totally guilt free person just doesnt act like that.... im not saying he has to do anything.... but im just saying that the way this is, and the actions people have taken on this, just dont add up as neatly as they could or should..... and even you guys have to be saying that stuff out of some worry that some embaressing thing is on there- because just as humans we are all wondering why on earth wont he just release the long form birth certificate?
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Does this shit really matter?

I mean, as long as the president acts in accordance with his nations interrests, s'all good right?

I'm pulling the race card on you.
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how many times have you been asked to present your birth cirtificate to prove your identity...

you haven't, you have always used your ss number, residency id's/cards, and/or passports...

why should it be different for anyone else...
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since when has the president of the united states had a right to privacy like the average citizen? he cant even look out the window of his home without a thousand people taking a picture of him.... why should the president of the united states have more privacy than britney spears?
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so you want pure disclosure/accountably from the pres but the dudes behind wikileaks need to be strung up for their "crimes"...prett y hypocritcal of you...
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honestly i could typ out a long answer but...
1. the constitution says something about ppl being secure in their persons and papers
2 the whole issue is a bullshit diversion from real world issues. so you think well, why not just show the dam thing and clear it up and get on with more important matters...
but once you give into the first bullshit diversion about the birth certificate, then its the next thing and the next and an endless stream of them.

so theres my short answer
however i would have a lot to say about the " if you have nothing to hide" issue. because thats total bullshit
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