José

What a government shutdown means to you - Yahoo! News
yay no more laws!!!

srsly wtf is going on? anyone wanna explain this to someone governmentally incompetent and slightly illiterate too?

Mafoo

ya no clue over here, i was reading about this yesterday.

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The Rev

It's just the federal government, and they don't really affect most of us on a day to day basis. Also, if you're in the military, or working for the IRS or CIA or whatever, you're not going to be sent home. It would be great if it meant that the government would stop spending money, but no such luck there, either.



The Rev

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Xil

this is fucking stupid

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Snowmayne

and so it begins

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Roach

Actually those are the requirements, for a political position.

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osirus2020

So just the state governments will have work? If the federal government can just close up shop why do we pay them to begin with?

Are we going back to the feudal system?

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Xil

states get so much money from the fed grants that they're pretty much in the feds pocket

a lot of these grants would dry up if government closed up shop though


dont see it happening, all they're really doing here is proving how incompetent they are, theyd be commiting political suicide to elt this go through i think.

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Ego Tripping

Not really. Happened before...

United States federal government shutdown of 1995 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Blip on the radar.

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Man in Black

I just had an idea...I'm going to survey the area around here from a strategical point of view.

completely random thought maybe but that's what I've come up with considering the odds and likelihood of this government shut down indicating something as grand as it's made out to be..a man is prepared in either case for the worst case scenario.

I also want to band together a small neighborhood militia. not a standing army, just a group of conscious and prepared people who are ready and willing to band together if necessary.

I need to stop being so lazy.

edit- not no damn guerilla warfare armed to the teeth revolutionary type militia, more like concerned citizens or some shit.

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this attitude sounds kind of familiar

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Dr. Nick Nasty

All this means is that the Congress and the President won't really be making any new laws, and while that in itself should be good--the evil bureaucracy under the executive branch will continue to regulate, enforce, and bully for corporations while The Fed continues to ruin us.

/so sayeth the doctor of political science (sorry, ego trip)

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Kompressor

I always found it amusing that there's a science dedicated to politics when a lot of politics is about removing science and reasonable thinking.

Government 'shutdown' means nothing. It basically means they haven't figured out how much money to give out to which departments, but that doesn't mean they'll stop collecting.

We're in debt, after all...

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Suliman

we spend how many millions of dollars a minute on the military....

but instead we decide to shut down the IRS... the department that gets the government its money...


there's something about this generation of politicians, never looking beyond the short term. like, if it works for at least 4 years who gives a shit what happens after then...

No one knows whats going on spanky, especially the government

but any agency or department that makes money somehow will be left open. I heard on NPR this morning that they'll call in workers on Monday, explain which employees will be continuing to work, and send the rest home indefinitely

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José

I don't think it's just this generation, it will continue until it fails or is overthrown.

referring to this video...

YouTube - How_government_polic y_is_maintained-5Monkeys

clive

lol no matter how many years spanky has been on here i'll always think of him as some 14 year old autistic kid.

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Geeno

^its like this kid I work with. I recognized yesterday that he's an IRL life time noob.

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Kompressor

Budget deal reached, shutdown avoided

WASHINGTON — Congressional leaders and President Obama headed off a shutdown of the government with less than two hours to spare Friday night under a tentative budget deal that would cut $38 billion from federal spending this year.

After days of tense negotiations and partisan quarrelling, House Republicans came to preliminary terms with the White House and Senate Democrats over financing the government for the next six months, resolving a stubborn impasse that had threatened to disrupt federal operations across the country and around the globe.

Speaker John A. Boehner, who had pressed Democrats for cuts sought by members of the conservative new House majority, presented the package of widespread spending reductions and policy provisions and won a positive response from his rank and file shortly before 11 p.m.

Both Democrats and Republicans proclaimed they had reached a deal and would begin the necessary steps to pass the bill and send it to Mr. Obama next week.

Democrats said that under the agreement, the budget measure would not include provisions sought by Republicans to limit environmental regulations and to restrict financing for Planned Parenthood and other groups that provide abortions. But Mr. Boehner said in a statement that the agreement included a restriction on abortion financing in Washington.

“This has been a lot of discussion and a long fight,” Mr. Boehner said as he left the party meeting. “But we fought to keep government spending down because it really will in fact help create a better environment for job creators in our country.”

Speaking from the White House after the Republican meeting ended, Mr. Obama said that both sides gave ground in reaching the bargain and that some of the cuts accepted by Democrats “will be painful.”

“Programs people rely on will be cut back,” said Mr. Obama, who said Americans had to begin to live within their means. “Needed infrastructure projects will be delayed.”

The announcements capped a day of drama as lawmakers and members of the federal work force waited anxiously to see whether money for government agencies would run out at midnight.

“We didn’t do it at this late hour for drama,” Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, said. “We did it because it has been hard to arrive at this point.”

In the closed-door Republican session, according to people present in the room, Mr. Boehner described the plan as the best deal he could wring from Democrats and said the cuts — an estimated $38 billion in reductions — represented the “largest real dollar spending cut in American history.”

Although both sides compromised, Republicans were able to force significant spending concessions from Democrats in exchange for putting to rest some of the vexing social policy fights that had held up the agreement.

Because of the need to put the compromise into legislative form, Congressional leaders said the House and Senate would vote overnight to pass a stopgap measure financing the government through Thursday to prevent any break in the flow of federal dollars. The actual budget compromise would be considered sometime next week.

The Senate approved the stopgap measure by 11:20 p.m. and the House approved it after midnight. The Office of Management and Budget issued a memo saying normal government operations were back on track.

The developments came after Republicans and Democrats spent the day blaming each other for what could have been the first lapse in government services brought on by Congress in 15 years.

As the midnight deadline approached, efforts to finish a deal intensified, and Mr. Obama and Mr. Boehner spoke by telephone to try to find an agreement.

“Both sides are working hard to reach the kind of resolution Americans desire,” said Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate Republican leader, who had consulted closely with Mr. Boehner on strategy during the fractious talks. “A resolution is actually within reach. The contours of a final agreement are coming into focus.”

Mr. McConnell’s optimism could not disguise the fact that time was steadily slipping away, and testy leaders of the two parties were pushing hard to shape public perceptions of who was responsible for an impasse that threatened to have serious political repercussions — and to presage even more consequential fiscal showdowns in the months ahead. Democrats said Republicans were insisting on overreaching policy provisions; Republicans said it remained about money.

After nightlong negotiations that ended before dawn on Friday yielded no agreement, Senator Reid went on the offensive. He told reporters and said on the Senate floor that Mr. Boehner, the Senate Democrats and Mr. Obama had essentially settled on $38 billion in cuts from current spending, a figure that represented a substantial concession for Democrats.

But he said that Republicans were refusing to abandon a policy provision that would withhold federal financing for family planning and other health services for poor women from Planned Parenthood and other providers.

“This is indefensible, and everyone should be outraged,” Mr. Reid said on the Senate floor. “The Republican House leadership have only a couple of hours to look in the mirror, snap out of it and realize how truly shameful they have been.”

In a terse statement of his own to reporters, Mr. Boehner said there was “only one reason we do not have an agreement yet, and that is spending.” He asked, “When will the White House and when will Senate Democrats get serious about cutting spending?”

As the day went on, aides reported progress in attempts to reach an accommodation on the family planning provision. Even veteran anti-abortion Republicans, like Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, indicated a willingness to compromise, not wanting the party to be accused of shutting down the government over divisive social policy and diluting its new emphasis on cutting spending. Other Republicans, in interviews and statements, indicated that it was time to end the stalemate.

The dueling characterizations of the negotiations added to the frustration, extending far beyond the nation’s capital, among federal employees and the people who rely on their services, as they waited to find out whether serious disruptions were imminent, and how long they might last.

Despite the disagreement over what still divided the two parties, it was clear the dollar difference had been reduced considerably, to about $1 billion or $2 billion. That amount left some lawmakers and their constituents grappling to understand how the federal government could be shut down over such a relatively small sum. Senator Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia, said he was embarrassed. “People across Virginia cannot understand why we can’t get this done,” he said.

Allies of Mr. Boehner, the veteran lawmaker in his first months as speaker, said he seemed to be pursuing a strategy of pushing the negotiations to the last possible tick of the clock to appease rank-and-file conservatives, who have been very reluctant to give an inch from the $61 billion in cuts approved by the House.

In a private party meeting Friday afternoon, Mr. Boehner told Republican lawmakers that he was fighting for all the cuts he could get, and regaled them with reports of how angry Mr. Obama was with him for the hard line he has taken in the talks — news that elated his membership.

Emerging from the meeting, Mr. Boehner called the negotiations “respectful,” but added: “We’re not going to roll over and sell out the American people like has been done time and time again in Washington.”

In the absence of a deal, Mr. Boehner again urged the Senate to pass a temporary House budget resolution that would finance the military for the balance of the fiscal year, cut $12 billion in spending from the current year’s budget and keep the rest of the government operating for another week, as Republicans in the House had voted to do.

“This is the responsible thing to do,” he told reporters.

Senate Democrats rejected that approach as a gimmick, and Mr. Obama said he would veto the resolution.

Mr. Reid, who at one news conference was surrounded by about three dozen Democratic senators in an unusual tableau, told reporters that the Senate would explore the possibility of a stopgap bill that would keep the government open for another week. But it was unlikely to clear procedural barriers.

It was an unusual Friday on Capitol Hill, a day when corridors are often empty of lawmakers who have left for the weekend. Instead, they milled about, and took the Senate floor to expound, as they nervously awaited news of an agreement or braced for the expiration of government financing. It was frustrating to some because most lawmakers were not privy to the high-level talks.

“I hope that negotiations are continuing by someone somewhere,” Senator Pat Roberts, Republican of Kansas, said as he spoke about six hours before funding would run out.

Lawmakers said they realized that the outcome of the negotiations would have implications not only for them, but also for the federal work force, the public, the economy and the nation’s image.

“We know the whole world is watching us today,” Mr. Reid said.

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José

which makes me infinitely more entertaining than your average 20 some year old guy.