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Wow, looks like you're fucked.

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José

Except the ones with scholarships.

SmokeaJoint

Home - FAFSA on the Web-Federal Student Aid Can you say free federal grant money?

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John F. Kerry

How to Get a Real Education at College - WSJ.com

this made me think of this article i read today...

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John F. Kerry

giving people shit for free is only a delayed action timeline... im not saying not giving them things is necessarily the answer.... but the dems acting like the status quo is so great and we need to defend it- its pretty funny because as long as the status quo is something their base votes for them for being progressive takes a back seat to keeping the entrenched interests in place that benefit the people who vote for you.

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John F. Kerry

and i also think its pretty amazing how people just go out and get 100k of student debt to go to school.

where i grew up u could go to a state school for 3-4k a year in state and thats without any scholarships.... with scholarships like the one i got it was half that... so i think my total debt load for tuition was around 12k for a 4 year degree.

i see these kids with 150k of student debt and no job or a job at tgi mcfunsters and its just like.... well is it the governments job to fix this problem for you ? kinda like the people who blame the government for their decision to buy homes they couldnt afford- "well the bankers own all the houses so fuck those fucking bankers.... " lol

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ionlylooklazy

scare tactics ITT

8.8% is pretty damn high for a student loan. mine is 4 and change.

I guess I'm one of the few lucky enough to have a career. I don't make tons of money, but still enough to pay my bills, cash in my pocket, and saving enough to have a down payment on a home by next summer, and houses are bloody fucking expensive where i live

John F. Kerry

...sorry to keep adding posts but has anybody seen college inc? its a pbs documentary about those for profit schools- its free on pbs.org if u wanna check it out.


basically the argument of the doc is that the government's programs are what has led to the huge proliferation of shitty online schools like phoenix and all the rest.... because with government "aid" from acorn-esque groups these schools just go into inner cities and other places and recruit stupid or vulnerable people with outlandish promises of jobs and careers- and then the government gives them bonuses per pupil enrolled and helps pay those peoples tuitions- so college is like a sales or debt collection center where the more u sign up the more u make because its the government that is paying them to do that in the interest of liberal groups that want to "send every kid to college".... the end result is a huge underclass that has a crappy "college" education that doesnt actually help them suceed, burdens them with un-dischargable debt, and takes huge sums from the tax revenue to pay for totally dubious ideas that seem to be more politically motivated than motivated by a sense of how to make the best of the limited resources we have.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/ watch it here good prog

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Xil

most people i see at college aren't gonna use their degrees at all. college should be teaching additional skills (like if your a scientist you should be studying science and stuff) not just acting like a second highschool diploma where if you dont get it your unhirable.

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José

seriously if you're smart you can even get paid to go to school. college isn't for everyone, these days anyone and their dog can go to college on a scholarship.

graduate school is where it's at these days.


depends what you go to school for. the majority of liberal arts degrees, yes are a joke in themselves. but good luck being a good accountant/surgeon/nurse/actuary/engineer without going to school.

all of the above require you to actually practice what you learned.

what science degree can you get that you have to study non-science stuff? your post makes you sound like a damn fool man. try getting a biomedical degree and tell me you don't learn about "science stuff."


maybe you're just hanging around with the wrong people, I don't know...

Lloydy

its crazy how much going to university costs in the US, there was hell on here because theyre bumping fees up to 9 grand a year.

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Über King

i woke up to see this in my inbox today

Dear student

I know that many of you have been following the recent debates about university funding with great concern. You may also be aware that April sees the deadline for universities to decide at what level they will need to set their home/EU undergraduate fees for entry in autumn 2012. Although this decision will not affect current students, I wanted to let you know at the earliest opportunity that the University has agreed to submit a proposal to the Office for Fair Access that our fees should be set at £9,000 for all undergraduate courses across all of our Colleges.

I can assure you that this decision has not been made lightly. As a specialist university for teaching and research in art, design and communication, we are set to lose nearly all of the teaching funding we receive from the government. Because of that loss and because our costs reflect our London locations and specialist resources, we would need to charge 2012/13 fees of more than £8,600 simply to stand still; by charging £9,000 we will be able to increase our investment in access measures to widen participation and continue to invest in the student academic experience in order to meet the high standards our students expect.

It is absolutely vital that the University remains open to talented students regardless of their background or parental income. We are already very successful at widening participation and are determined to make sure that higher fees will not impede that success. Accordingly, we will substantially increase our investment in measures designed to increase access for students from financially disadvantaged backgrounds and build on our existing success in retaining students and helping them to achieve their full potential.

We have worked closely with the Students’ Union in devising our proposed access measures and will continue to work closely with them to improve the student experience. You can read the SU’s views on the new fee system at SU Arts Students Union - The Home for SU Arts University Students.

I would like to stress that current students will not be affected by the higher fee level, which will apply only to home and EU students who begin an undergraduate course in or after September 2012. The Government has indicated that students progressing from Foundation degrees (FdAs) to Honours degrees will also remain under the current fees structure, although this has not yet been formally confirmed. If you have any further questions, more information will shortly be available at University of the Arts London - Prospective Students.

Both universities and students are experiencing a period of radical change which can be unsettling. However I believe passionately in the worth of what we do here, both to the individual and to society as a whole. I am confident that this University will continue to be a place where talented individuals of all backgrounds are nurtured, challenged and inspired, and from where they go on to establish themselves as leaders in their chosen fields.

Warm regards

Nigel Carrington

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Liberty Cap

So pay your debt. You borrow 20 thousand dollars for you to get ahead in life, and it costs you. What makes you think you are entitled to college anyhow?

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I'll bet you're upper middle class, white and didn't need to go outside the family for your degree?


And 'entitled' to education?!

Fuck you in your elitist asshole with a big black dick.


Education should be made available to every single person on the planet, regardless of their ability to pay for it.


Just like fucking health care.

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SageTree

Did you fail debate class or drop out of finishing school mate?

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John F. Kerry

thats so ridiculous man.... education should be made availible....

like how much education? k-12?

high school?

ged?

college?

medical school?


where does it end?


how do people get off thinking that things that cost money should be a "right".... they cost money, which means that SOMEONE pays for it. just not you. why should someone get the benefits of college or higher ed without having to pay for it? because a tiny percentage of people (like a few percent) are rich and dont have to pay for it? so everyone else shouldnt have to either? Im tryin to empathize with you here but wtf. I can kinda see the argument for health care- because you die if you dont have it.... but a free college education? i dont even see how you get off thinking that.


it should be made availible....by who? those faceless rich who have all the money right?

take me inside your head man.... a low income kid with high potential and good grades can certainly get scholarships.... most likely 100% + cost of living grants.... so .... where are these einstein youth who are just living in a box on the street without any hope?

i saw something the other day that talked about how panhandlers in cities are almost always there to get money for booze and drugs- because every large city has homeless missions and various charities and tons of ways for truly needy people to get food shelter etc.... but its easier and more profitable for them to stand on a street corner with a funny sign and make 100 bucks tax free to go spend on drugs etc...

you're talking to us from a computer, you obviously arent living in a shack.... so where do u get all this rage against the elites? surely compared to the people u are trying to argue for, you are an elite too.

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SageTree

This must be in US the news lately, huh and that is why 'everyone' is caring all of a sudden?

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adventure

I was already to start the Culinary Art institute of America, 3 weeks before I was supposed to start, I backed out, I would have been 100K+ indeed afterwards, I lost 2K in backing out but hot damn now i think it was the best decision I've made in a long time.

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Xil

completely missed the point. im saying i agree that people with those types of jobs should go to college, its everyone else who are just a waste. and for the record im part of the waste crowd, im just in college cuz its free and fun

ok maybe my wording is a bit off, i was saying that people who need training for science/medical/certain types of accounting are in college for a good reason, theres a shit ton of comm, philosophy, english, etc majors who are getting saddled with debt and not getting any more skills besides a piece of paper.

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When you feel you have had enough. Just because you've run out of money doesn't mean you should run out of opportunity


Really? Just not me? I'm fairly certain that a percentage of my taxes go to education, I'm also fairly certain that a good portion of my taxes (sales, business, property not just income) goes to support education. I'm also certain our tax money goes to help poor, uneducated folks out there as well. So really, we all pay for it one way or another and by that reasoning it should be a right to get educated not a privilege made available to those who can pay.


I'm not asking for that, I'm asking you to sympathize with students who are shackled to debt for a good portion of their lives because they wanted to know more...


Did I say free? I said debt free.


Perhaps some of those faceless rich multinational corporations who made their billions in quarterly profit off the backs of the people I'm talking about might toss something back to insure the next generation isn't a bunch of fucking idiots. Call me silly, they ask us to invest in them but when it comes time to go the other way around most would rather not.

So it's be so poor you can't or be so rich you don't need to?

And to answer your question about where are they? A whole bunch of them work a job to keep alive, not to get ahead, to keep alive...

wtf man, I don't get this statement or it's relevance to anything I'm discussing here, I'd have to say this is a blatant attempt to equate poor folks with panhandlers and drug addicts so you can say it's their fault they're poor...






A computer I built myself from what I was able to afford and have updated when I could?

That sits on the desk I found in the alley?

Out behind my rented 2 bedroom house?



I'm working poor j. I earned every dollar I have and I'll continue to do so, would have been nice to get a college education and be a CEO but I just couldn't afford it.

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