government shuts down huge poker sites like pokerstars...

John F. Kerry · 04-16-2011, 10:41 AM

i was just reading an article last week about some kid who make 200k a year playing poker online... i guess hes gonna have to get a job now

heres why this is good, but also sucks.

these poker sites were usually set up or organized by foreign groups because online gambling is technically illegal in the us.... but thru legal bulshit they were able to have american players join their sites which were hosted offshore or started offshore, and then to basically flaunt the law and have all the american money go to whatever country the site was based in - so thats why this is kinda good.

the reason it sucks, is because online gambling should NOT BE ILLEGAL- why is regular gambling in a casino ok but online gambling is illegal? it makes literally no sense. so the good that might come from this is if they make it legal- then american companies can set up online sites and get the money from american poker players to stay here rather than go somewhere else... the problem is, it probably wont be made legal... but all the major casinos in vegas have been lobbying for it to be made legal because intead of no name pokerstars or whatever, u could be playing on the bellagio poker site or the treasure island online gambling site- which would be probably higher quality, flashy animations and sitch, and would bring keep all that poker money here rather than send it to the caymans...

i guess we'll have to see what happens. but i think it should be made legal , and we should start taxing it- NOW.... christ with the tax revenue from that and mj legalization we could probably plug the budget gaps without cuts or new taxes.... but that would be thinking outside the two party bulshit box so obviously it wont happen ./

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adventure · 04-16-2011, 11:00 AM

Right on! Tax the fuck out of it! if you want to play and win... its part of the price of living in America the best country in the world!
I have a buddy, one of those guys who it always seems like is just stepping in it, makes $$$$$$ playing online poker!
Poker online isnt a right, if you want to play you should have to pay....it's the price of doing business in the best country in the world....My same feeling about the millionaire tax... its the price of doing business!

The Rev · 04-16-2011, 11:11 AM

You can't make a dollar or spend a dollar in this country without forking over a cut to the government. There's nothing right about that.

The Rev

Sir-Ex · 04-16-2011, 11:12 AM

Yeah I agree, make it legal, in Canada to, have it a legitimate business. I made money with Full Tilt and those fuckers never gave it to me, and there's no real way for me to sniff it out because the business itself is really convoluted.

Bring us online gambling with real laws in place, make this shit legit.

John F. Kerry · 04-16-2011, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adventure

Right on! Tax the fuck out of it! if you want to play and win... its part of the price of living in America the best country in the world!
I have a buddy, one of those guys who it always seems like is just stepping in it, makes $$$$$$ playing online poker!
Poker online isnt a right, if you want to play you should have to pay....it's the price of doing business in the best country in the world....My same feeling about the millionaire tax... its the price of doing business!

i agree with this sentiment, but i think millionaires tax is a bit of a misnomer seeing as obama wants it to apply to anybody who makes over 250k a year.

i have said before that a compromise i would support could be something along the lines of what chuck schumer wanted where they really do make it a millionaries tax where the higher level starts on income over 1 million, or 700k or something....

Flamingnun · 04-16-2011, 11:45 AM

They're not shut down, they've just had their US domain names seized, pokerstars is still working fine here, and everywhere else outside the USA.

John F. Kerry · 04-16-2011, 12:39 PM

well usa accounts for like 80 % of their revenue i think

Parallax · 04-16-2011, 01:58 PM

so what happens with all the money people had on their accounts? i had forty bucks on there that i played $1 tournaments with once in a while, so it not that great of a loss, but lots of people play for much higher stakes, i know a guy who plays regularly and he's got a couple g's tied up into it.

**~~José~~** · 04-16-2011, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rev

You can't make a dollar or spend a dollar in this country without forking over a cut to the government. There's nothing right about that.

The Rev

not true. you can loan shit tons of money out to people you know who can't pay it back and then sell the loans in bundles to financial investment companies, then get bailed out by the government.

that's totally legal too!

_tyranT · 04-16-2011, 02:18 PM

i kno a guy with like 20 gees on ps.

i think its bullshit there doing this when they advertise on cable

Parallax · 04-18-2011, 03:21 PM

did some sleuthing around and found out that the .co.uk site for ftp can be used to get the update and resume playing or cash out if you're not in america.

edit: sweet they have draw poker now

_tyranT · 04-18-2011, 06:42 PM

ur a cool kid were born on the same day why not slueth around the gov usually leaves portals

i think also shut down the drug buyers freeboard

**Kompressor** · 04-18-2011, 06:54 PM

Why are casinos ok but online gambling not?

I figure it's a lot easier for kids to lose money online than it would be in a real casino.

Puffman · 04-18-2011, 07:32 PM

^Not to mention someone can loose the family's life savings chasing losses while his wife thinks he is just watching porn or something.

But degens are gonna degen.

Poker is a game of skill and isn't really gambling anyways. Also, if it is your primary source of income in Canada, you are supposed to pay taxes on it. I'm pretty sure you have to pay taxes in the USA on any "gambling" winnings.

For now it looks like people outside of the States are getting their funds, it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the coming months/years.

Parallax · 04-19-2011, 02:30 PM

competition is pretty soft now that practically all the american players are gone, played last night for the first time in a while, placed first in a 27-man sit-and-go, won ten bucks (1$ buyin, dont make fun of me, im poor).

on the flip side i wanted to play a 90man tourney but it was taking ages to fill up and people kept unregistering, maybe ill have better luck tonight.

Xil · 04-19-2011, 02:50 PM

i though you live in the us parallax?

Parallax · 04-19-2011, 10:54 PM

not that i wanna brag or anything, but i just placed first in a 45 man tourney for the first time ever; won seventeen bucks and change. competion is a lot weaker now that the americans cant play, its all just random 3rd worlders playing. who knows how long this will last, so get em while its hot. now is the time if ever to get into online poker, provided you're outside the us and that you know your shit.

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Originally Posted by Xil

i though you live in the us parallax?

nope

_tyranT · 04-20-2011, 07:59 PM

so i can still add money through my US bank account to fulltilt is i use the Uk poker software.

i tired to install fulltilt last nite to play for free. but i couldn't

adventure · 04-20-2011, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

i agree with this sentiment, but i think millionaires tax is a bit of a misnomer seeing as obama wants it to apply to anybody who makes over 250k a year.

i have said before that a compromise i would support could be something along the lines of what chuck schumer wanted where they really do make it a millionaries tax where the higher level starts on income over 1 million, or 700k or something....

Yes. but $700k..? it needs to be a sliding scale. The more you make the higher percentage you have to pay in taxes which is the way it currently works we just need to up the percentage

Parallax · 04-20-2011, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _tyranT

so i can still add money through my US bank account to fulltilt is i use the Uk poker software.

i tired to install fulltilt last nite to play for free. but i couldn't

no the update makes it so you cant play if you're in the states. apparently there is still a few people out there in the us who've been playing non-stop since just before black friday who havent logged out so they didnt get the update yet.

04-16-2011, 10:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
John F. Kerry Secretary of State?! Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 5,003 Thanks: 2,089 Thanked 685 Times in 459 Posts	government shuts down huge poker sites like pokerstars... i was just reading an article last week about some kid who make 200k a year playing poker online... i guess hes gonna have to get a job now heres why this is good, but also sucks. these poker sites were usually set up or organized by foreign groups because online gambling is technically illegal in the us.... but thru legal bulshit they were able to have american players join their sites which were hosted offshore or started offshore, and then to basically flaunt the law and have all the american money go to whatever country the site was based in - so thats why this is kinda good. the reason it sucks, is because online gambling should NOT BE ILLEGAL- why is regular gambling in a casino ok but online gambling is illegal? it makes literally no sense. so the good that might come from this is if they make it legal- then american companies can set up online sites and get the money from american poker players to stay here rather than go somewhere else... the problem is, it probably wont be made legal... but all the major casinos in vegas have been lobbying for it to be made legal because intead of no name pokerstars or whatever, u could be playing on the bellagio poker site or the treasure island online gambling site- which would be probably higher quality, flashy animations and sitch, and would bring keep all that poker money here rather than send it to the caymans... i guess we'll have to see what happens. but i think it should be made legal , and we should start taxing it- NOW.... christ with the tax revenue from that and mj legalization we could probably plug the budget gaps without cuts or new taxes.... but that would be thinking outside the two party bulshit box so obviously it wont happen ./ MMA Sponsor Shakeup: FBI Shuts Down Full Tilt Poker, Others \| Bleacher Report __________________ The future's like the weather baby there aint no guarantees "real-world competency is no match for fresh packaging and a good slogan"

04-16-2011, 11:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
adventure Adventure its good Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 6,571 Thanks: 2,584 Thanked 2,293 Times in 1,590 Posts	Right on! Tax the fuck out of it! if you want to play and win... its part of the price of living in America the best country in the world! I have a buddy, one of those guys who it always seems like is just stepping in it, makes $$$$$$ playing online poker! Poker online isnt a right, if you want to play you should have to pay....it's the price of doing business in the best country in the world....My same feeling about the millionaire tax... its the price of doing business! __________________ Coming Full Range

04-16-2011, 11:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
The Rev Adorable Idiot Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: There's no one here. Posts: 22,079 Thanks: 6,142 Thanked 7,253 Times in 3,648 Posts	You can't make a dollar or spend a dollar in this country without forking over a cut to the government. There's nothing right about that. The Rev __________________ Budforce - My Friend August 29, 1973- May 25, 2012

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Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 14,345 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,063 Times in 2,367 Posts	Yeah I agree, make it legal, in Canada to, have it a legitimate business. I made money with Full Tilt and those fuckers never gave it to me, and there's no real way for me to sniff it out because the business itself is really convoluted. Bring us online gambling with real laws in place, make this shit legit. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

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Flamingnun Shpadoinkle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: roflmao Posts: 21,527 Thanks: 1,014 Thanked 2,618 Times in 1,180 Posts	They're not shut down, they've just had their US domain names seized, pokerstars is still working fine here, and everywhere else outside the USA. __________________

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John F. Kerry Secretary of State?! Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 5,003 Thanks: 2,089 Thanked 685 Times in 459 Posts	well usa accounts for like 80 % of their revenue i think __________________ The future's like the weather baby there aint no guarantees "real-world competency is no match for fresh packaging and a good slogan"

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Parallax Admiral Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,753 Thanks: 241 Thanked 803 Times in 429 Posts	so what happens with all the money people had on their accounts? i had forty bucks on there that i played $1 tournaments with once in a while, so it not that great of a loss, but lots of people play for much higher stakes, i know a guy who plays regularly and he's got a couple g's tied up into it. __________________ FUCK THE ROBOTS!!! NUKE THE WHALES!!!

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_tyranT Old School Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ohio Posts: 2,411 Thanks: 12 Thanked 39 Times in 28 Posts	i kno a guy with like 20 gees on ps. i think its bullshit there doing this when they advertise on cable Last edited by _tyranT; 04-16-2011 at 02:25 PM.

04-18-2011, 03:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Parallax Admiral Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,753 Thanks: 241 Thanked 803 Times in 429 Posts	did some sleuthing around and found out that the .co.uk site for ftp can be used to get the update and resume playing or cash out if you're not in america. edit: sweet they have draw poker now __________________ FUCK THE ROBOTS!!! NUKE THE WHALES!!! Last edited by Parallax; 04-18-2011 at 03:45 PM.

04-18-2011, 06:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
_tyranT Old School Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ohio Posts: 2,411 Thanks: 12 Thanked 39 Times in 28 Posts	ur a cool kid were born on the same day why not slueth around the gov usually leaves portals i think also shut down the drug buyers freeboard

04-18-2011, 06:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4,514 Times in 2,239 Posts	Why are casinos ok but online gambling not? I figure it's a lot easier for kids to lose money online than it would be in a real casino. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

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Puffman LeavesOfGrassMyAss! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 7,278 Thanks: 551 Thanked 263 Times in 171 Posts	^Not to mention someone can loose the family's life savings chasing losses while his wife thinks he is just watching porn or something. But degens are gonna degen. Poker is a game of skill and isn't really gambling anyways. Also, if it is your primary source of income in Canada, you are supposed to pay taxes on it. I'm pretty sure you have to pay taxes in the USA on any "gambling" winnings. For now it looks like people outside of the States are getting their funds, it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the coming months/years.

04-19-2011, 02:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
Parallax Admiral Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,753 Thanks: 241 Thanked 803 Times in 429 Posts	competition is pretty soft now that practically all the american players are gone, played last night for the first time in a while, placed first in a 27-man sit-and-go, won ten bucks (1$ buyin, dont make fun of me, im poor). on the flip side i wanted to play a 90man tourney but it was taking ages to fill up and people kept unregistering, maybe ill have better luck tonight. __________________ FUCK THE ROBOTS!!! NUKE THE WHALES!!!

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04-20-2011, 07:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
_tyranT Old School Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ohio Posts: 2,411 Thanks: 12 Thanked 39 Times in 28 Posts	so i can still add money through my US bank account to fulltilt is i use the Uk poker software. i tired to install fulltilt last nite to play for free. but i couldn't

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