wellfleation

You are the kind of fool the government counts on.
This ruling happened today, by the Supreme Court, no less. No slippery slope here! Link "Think" is pretty broad, uh?

Lets admit that the United States sucks a little bit more every day. Pretty soon we will be as fascist as anyone else. We supposedly spread democracy while slowly stripping our own country of it. What a bunch of horse shit. This is the worst bought and paid for Supreme Court in history.

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WTF, how do you...


Where did I say?



At what point in this conversation did I trust your government, Johnny Law knows what's best for you?!

I think you need to lay off the 'Foxygen' my friend, it's clouding your mind

I said what we need is some common sense these days, I said it isn't all or nothing, us or them, "Fer us or agin' us"


Personally I would like to consider myself an anarchist but really I tend to be more of a peripheral player in the whole game, the shadow you see on the sidelines or that dude in the picture where you look at him and think 'what about that guy'. In the words of the great philosopher Stanhope

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wellfleation

Dude, the last station I tune to is fox "News". I have no idea where the fuck you ever got that impression from any of my posts anywhere in yahooka.

You said that the slippery slop thing was basically paranoia. I then show you a ruling today furthering police powers over US citizens. You tell me to lay off fox "News". The article was from the New York Times cause those are the types of outlets I frequent. Now what?

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Any lawyer worth a shit could get any evidence obtained in this fashion thrown out in a hot second so really I doubt this is cause for revolution



Dude if you are just coming to this realization then it aint me that's been the deluded party. Know their rules, follow your own path.

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wellfleation

I guess you do not know what a Supreme Court ruling means? No, a good lawyer could not get this "thrown out". Why? Because this is now the law! Why? Because the Supreme Court ruled it was. Please stop shouting from the hip and misinforming people.

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Terry

yea, because supreme court rulings are never overturned in court...

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wellfleation

In the past, yes, a decent, shit, any lawyer would be able to get evidence obtain in this way without a warrant thrown out of court. But under this new ruling, this new law, you can not. The only way to change this new law is through congress passing another law stating this law is no longer valid. Do you really think this will happen?

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wellfleation

God your statement is ignorant on sooo many levels. Read a book for Christ sakes. Very very rarely if ever. Please site 5 recent examples. Also see my post above regarding how laws are past by the Supreme Court and then changed. The Supreme Court is the end all. Dur. The Supreme Court does not over turn previous cases unless they are so crazy bat-shit they have no other choice, partly because they do not want to step on prior justices toes. And if you were smart you would know that justices are appointed FOR LIFE. So how long and how many warrantless searches will be conducted before these douches die or retire?

Some people need some educating. No wonder we are fucking ourselves. So many ignorant people.

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Man in Black

no matter what I do I will never sound quite as much like an asshole as wellfleet does, and I've really been trying here recently.

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wellfleation

There is a time and a place. When people accept crazy rulings as, "Oh well, I'm not concerned, it will be changed someday", or, "you are being paranoid", blindly going about there business of being ignorant fools while our rights crumble around us, therefore, being apart of the problem = a time and a place.

If you can't deal then don't make absurdly stupid statements that further lead the sheep off the proverbial cliff.

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I don't believe the Supreme Court passed a law saying the cops can kick your door in and say they thought they heard evidence being destroyed, what they did was rule on one case where there was an un-warranted entrance to a home based on an officers belief that the suspect he was chasing had entered the apartment in question and was destroying evidence and in that review the court found that the officer did not violate fourth amendment protection from illegal entry.

There is a precedent set for any similar court cases that may come before a magistrate but as far as giving police an open door policy to come into your house whenever they feel like it? Umm, no. That isn't really how it works. Maybe you should crack a book or two and you wouldn't have made this rookie mistake in understanding.


Lemme help you out a little...

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John F. Kerry

i seriously think they should play those schoolhouse rock vids again. or maybe make a new version.

i think there are lots of people out there hungry for information, and stupid ignorant information is filling the void, but people would be just as happy to get good correct valid unpoliticized information.

ud be amazed how many people arent clear on such basic things as what they teach in schoolhouse rock

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Terry

Wellfleation should really learn how government works before he goes off on it.

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John F. Kerry

good post roach. now for the slightly less intellectual

YouTube - School house Rock - Mother Necessity


wonder what bill gates one would be like?

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John F. Kerry

a couple historical corrections. the cotton gin actually made life worse for many slaves and increased slavery in the south.

and radio , although patented first by marconi was actually first developed by nikola tesla and in the past few years he has been recognized as the true father of radio.

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Parallax

didnt read thread

i thought this sort of thing is prohibited by your almighty constitution, no?

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In the first instance, the entry and arrest without a warrant due to the domestic violence call, that was exactly what the court ruled that indeed you are protected and there are avenues of recourse already available so physical resistance is considered unlawful.

Now in the second case, the court said basically is if homeboy hadn't made it sound like there was shit goin' down inside then the officer would indeed have to obtain the proper warrant to enter the premises or at least have to come up with some other excuse so the dude pretty much tossed up a red flare to the cops by reacting to something else entirely different.

Which brings me to my question.

Ever wonder why the prison population is chock full of stupid people?

It's because you want to keep it on the down low and hope no one sees you flying under the radar. You wanna be famous? Rap. Otherwise shut your mouth, keep your head down, do what you do and probably a good 99% of the time you'll get away with it, the other one percent, well shut up and hope for the best I guess.

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wellfleation

Really? The Supreme Court upheld the right for the police to enter your home without a warrant if they "think" you are destroying evidence. This was NEVER the case prior to Mondays case being decided. Now it is. So a cops rights have been expanded UNDER LAW by the Supreme Court lessoning our 4th Amendment rights. When an issue comes fourth to be considered by the Supreme Court it is because it is the last place where a FINAL ruling is made. There is no appeals process after this, and therefore, it is THE LAW. The only way a law backed by the Supreme Court can be changed is through an act of congress. There is a reason the Supreme Court is called Supreme.

Why you guys think this is School House Rock bull-shit is beyond naive. Again, educate yourselves. Is the right to get an abortion law? Yes! Why? Because the Supreme Court said so. Derp derp derp.

But nothing to fear, whooo cares, things will change, right? No, the man just took away more of our rights, will continue to do so while fat compliant America just thanks him for the few he has left over the other 3rd world nations. Shit, it is obvious by the last few responses to this thread that America knows very little about how this process even works. Wonderful, huh? Just as our founding fathers envisioned. How pathetically fucking weak we have become.

Civics 101, try it, you might like it.

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KaptNemo

Man the back and forth in here is great... both sides are right, to a point... however my problem is that the S.C. added this little portion of there being an "UNLAWFUL" reason for a cop to enter my home, the D.V. case that started this ball rolling the cop would be justified in entering the home to ensure that the peace is kept, HOWEVER the idea that a cop can walk into your house if they think something illegal is taking place is frankly bullshit, if a cop with nothing more than a hunch couldn't get a warrant he shouldn't be able to enter your house, and if he does so he should be prepared for resistance... I can say that a bunch of black shirted cops break down my door in the middle of the night (which seems to be quite popular nationwide lately) break my door down will be sorry... glad I'm not in Indiana...