profit

cheers yahooka, thought you should know this. the web is not what it was and you dont even know it. to me it is a human rights issue because the internet is information- which is something we have a right to.



[they cut a lot of alternative media from the news feed using these. aggregators especially.
youtube modifies the hit counters a lot on videos as well and gives bullshit reasons for banning people/ accounts, federaljack as an example.]

__________________

Bearsy

Right off the bat, I didn't watch the vid cause I'm about to go to bed...
But from the title, why do they need to share their algorithms?
People spend years developing them, and if one company or another develops a good one, why do you or I deserve to know what it is?
I don't see you making posts about the Colonel not sharing his recipe or Dr. Pepper not telling us what his 27 ingredients are, when in principal they're the exact same thing.
If I've misunderstood the point of the post, let me know and I'll watch the video when I have more time.

__________________

profit

of course deadhead thanks the "i didnt watch it" post

watch, mull it, discuss it.
dont fuck up the rotation.

__________________

deadhead94

I watched your quack cure for cancer and your cold fusion videos.


I lol'd.


I was mostly thanking for the Dr. Pepper quip.

Please, no more fans. It doesn't help with the narcissistic personality disorder.

__________________

Canuck Wisdom

Im not the original poster of the video, but, yes, in one sense you did get and responde to what was being said.

Valid point. But I would say, the other side to it it, in a wider scope of 'principles' they are the same, but the moral implications of the kernals recipe are what; how healthy it is and weather or not they have a responsibility to people to make it healthier.

There is a fundamental philosophical question in there, however, its pretty clear I would say, to most of us that its the governments responsibility (in a democracy), as representatives of the people, to make laws governing whether or not their food is acceptable and how much responsibility a private vendor is required to take.

If we were to regulate algerythms the same way, it would again be the governments job, however, the moral question the video poses about these algerthyms is not the same as what goes into our food.

He talks about the availability of information essentially, and yes you should watch it for the subtleties. But from my perspective, that is a much larger and more critical moral question (as knowledge has a very special role in being/succeeding as a human).

And to apply the same broad principle as KFC chicken to it is to trivialize the issue immensely. Of couse, no disrespect to you for saying so, because you didnt watch the vid.

__________________
-Knowitall A&P type-

deadhead94

Unless Google's algorithms can unify general relativity and quantum mechanics the information they contain isn't of use to anyone except Microsoft.

The concept of copyright and trade secrets is what drives the economy and forces innovation. Who in their right mind would want to harm that?

__________________

Xil

i watched the first minute, sounds like it might not be the algorithms themselves, but rather what they do. like censoring information and deleting content.

__________________

deadhead94

Nobody forces anyone to use either service, so it isn't anyone's business what they censor or delete.

__________________

stonerkid

deadhead you need to shut the fuck up already. We all know you don't understand this shit but you don't gotta go around being a fucktard about it.

PS Information censoring is a very big deal

__________________
Warning:This users signatures contain one or more chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects and other reproductive harm. Wash eyeballs after reading.

"one small bump for man, one giant line for man kind"

Flamingnun

I'm not going to watch the video, on the basis that Profit hasn't posted a single YouTube video yet, that isn't paranoid ramblings about the government, or some other force of power being in control of whatever and censoring our rights to herpy derp, or even to derpy herp.

tl:dr, not everyone gets the same results when they Google stuff due to Illuminati algorithms intended to prevent us finding out the cure for cancer (it's pop tarts).

__________________

Geeno

but my google search results told me the cure was shakeweights!

__________________

Home Wrecker

Debatable imo. I think some aspects of copyright law (patent trolling for example) lead to stagnation and ultimately may do more harm than good.

__________________
Mr. Pink: You kill anybody?
Mr. White: A few cops.
Mr. Pink: No real people?
Mr. White: Just cops.

John F. Kerry

holy crap this has the intial indications of a high level discussion...

on YAHOOKA?

....my wrinkle to this, is that i agree with both you and deadhead HW. another interesting area where this comes up is medicines and vaccines. on the one hand, patents and exclusivity for a period of years gives the incentive to create wonder drugs, even ones that cost billions to develop and have no guarentee of success. But on the other hand, the fact that malaria and other third world diseases that are common in poor areas are almost erradicated in the first world means that drug companies never bother to come up with vaccines and treatments for those kinds of problems because they couldnt make any profit on them. Without people like bill gates funding malaria vaccine its arguable that one would EVER get made because there is no profit principle driving innovation for diseases common in the third world but rare in the west.

__________________
Nasa under Obama

deadhead94

But the idea is good. If I invent something that you also have the idea for but I patent it first, it forces you to either make something new or improve on your design in a way I didn't think of. You can still see my designs, you just can't make and distribute them.


Some things (like medicines) should be public domain from the start, but not everything.

__________________

Home Wrecker

That is the main area of patent law I am concerned with, biotechnology, medical procedures, medications, etc. It is one thing to have a soft drink patent, but people shouldn't be able to patent processes and techniques that prevent other people from investigating things like cancer or AIDS.

__________________
Mr. Pink: You kill anybody?
Mr. White: A few cops.
Mr. Pink: No real people?
Mr. White: Just cops.

deadhead94

Procedures and techniques can't be patented, just devices and new chemicals. That's why med pot isn't going anywhere. It cant be patented. If they could patent a therapy technique, it would take up a large portion of every pharmacy.

That's still bad, but there is nothing stopping anyone from taking someones research and going in a new direction or trying to improve on it. If someone takes a patented chemical and comes up with an analogue that isn't covered in the original research, that is fair game.

I don't see how it will ever change, but it has to some way or another.

__________________

my_scatterheart

! I kind of love you sometimes

__________________
Be mindful even if your mind is full. -J. De La Vega

profit

okay i should have just posted the video and not commented initially.

the topic of this thread is about how google and facebook's algorithms are editing out information based on what it has decided you like. it takes into account your location, what computer you are using, and ~50 other factors that privacy wise that would probably make you sick.

people are searching the same query and getting different results- even if done at the same time. algorithms, being the new electronic gate keepers of information, are basically acting as a filter on what is out there based on conditions it decides. and the point of the internet is to be exposed to whats out there. to have access to that web and be immersed in something that connects you to the world as it is, not as you like it.

like the dude says it is essentially making it a web of one.

this is not about whether google and facebook have the right to use/keep/change/copyright their algorithms. it's about the fact that they are fucking with the one thing on this planet that should not be fucked with. do you think they have the right to edit information from your searches? might as well turn on the tv or start looking forward to the cloud..

so deadhead. please shut the fuck up about quantum mechanics.. lol.

when i first woke up i know i posted too many truth movies, and nwo/bilderberger stuff. probably shit that a lot of people already knew.

the g20 film, burzynski's- those are on a whole 'nother level and something i get the feeling people would probably want to know about. therefore i posted them. not for any other reason except that i thought it was useful (awesome) information people give a fuck about. i would include this video in that category because i get the feeling people would want to know if their previously personal information mecca is being EDITED, and manipulated.

so flamingnun, you can assume no more herp derp vids from me. lots of serious discussion on what ive posted so far should be an indicator..

__________________

HTAM

I got the same screenshot, but I only registered 115,000,000 hits to your 135,000,000.

Canuck Wisdom

Mine is only slightly different from yours. HOWEVER, you used bing (as did I), and the search engine he primarily mentions in the video is google, so really if we're gonna do this experiment, we should be doing it with google.


I am surprised at how many people in this thread aren't more alarmed that someone else's automated formula is deciding (based on arbitrary ideas of relevance) what information is available to you.

I grew up thinking of the internet as a source of information, where I can find anything if its there, not as a place where only information thats based on my past use or a stranger's (or AI) idea of who I am is easily acceptable.

__________________
-Knowitall A&P type-