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profit · 10-01-2011, 11:56 PM

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First ‘official’ statement from the #OccupyWallStreet movement

This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release. We have three more underway, that will likely be released in the upcoming days: 1) A declaration of demands. 2) Principles of Solidarity 3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group. This is a living document. you can receive an official press copy of the latest version by emailing c2anycga@gmail.com.

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

to & by Anonymous

..only thing is were not a democracy we are a republic.

Black · 10-02-2011, 10:56 AM

YESSSS

Waves · 10-02-2011, 11:02 AM

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They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

Oh shut the fuck up with your firstworldproblems

This whole thing is just the most naive stupid ridiculous movement to happen in a country of naive stupid ridiculous people

Its always "they" with no solutions, just a bunch of hate against "them" whoever "they" are.

Im all for change and solutions but this doesnt seem like it will result in anything. At all. Hey go ahead and prove me wrong. Maybe "they" will.

I hope so.

I really do. I hope my cycnism is challenged and someone proves me wrong but this thing stinks of a bunch of kids railing against the authority, which isnt going to do shit because the authority doesnt give a fuck. The authority will give a fuck when it perceives it is in danger, and this shit is nothing close to danger.

Black · 10-02-2011, 11:18 AM

Waves doesnt like freedom.

**SageTree** · 10-02-2011, 12:27 PM

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Oh shut the fuck up with your firstworldproblems

Question, Is complaining about 'firstworldproblems' a first world problem?

SageTree

Ego Tripping · 10-02-2011, 05:27 PM

I'm surprised at your (not so) subtle anger, Waves. While I can agree that the moment is scattered, this isn't about just a single group of people...this is representative of a philosophy and consciousness shift in people to bring awareness of the manipulation of the system.

I often ask, "who's revolution is it, anyway?" Many people want to see some changes, but we all differ on how to implement them. The change a Republican or Tea Partier wants to see vastly differ from what a Liberal wants to see. What I find interesting about these protests, is they are against something EVERY person from ANY Political party will agree on: Corporate influence in Government. Doesn't matter who I speak to, whether its a devout Republican, a Tea Partier, Democrat, Liberal, Progressive or Independent; we all agree that somehow, someway, we need to separate these powers.

We all want solutions, but let's be honest: the solutions themselves are ambiguous at best, which is why I don't think you see many being presented. The problems are systemic and deep, and I don't think anybody really know what the solution is...yet. The point of what is happening is to carve out a hole in our perception and understanding of the manipulation of the system to where a solution at least has the opportunity to present itself.

So, I will never disparage or insult these attempts. And this is truly something everyone can get behind...assuming the message will get clearer and clearer. It can go either way, but as one of my favorite phrases goes..."Somethings gotta give!"

Kishar · 10-03-2011, 08:46 PM

somebody needs to whack you upside the head with that stupid skateboard of yours and knock a little sense into ya.

Roach · 10-04-2011, 06:02 PM

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'firstworldproblems'

America was promoted ?

John F. Kerry · 10-04-2011, 07:27 PM

"Many people want to see some changes, but we all differ on how to implement them. The change a Republican or Tea Partier wants to see vastly differ from what a Liberal wants to see."

see i dont really think so.

i think everybody wants what tea partiers want.

a government that lives within its means, and doesnt encroach upon individual liberties.

and then, once it can be afforded, a reasonable social safety net where we try to encourage people to work and produce, but also offer a safety net (that doesnt bankrupt our children) to those that really need it....and a private sector that is vibrant and growing and oozing confidence and using our freedom and technology that we are famous for to keep comming up with new things and new ways of doing things that cause us to keep advancing and keep improving our collective lot.

....i think honestly thats what liberals want too.

they just have this weird roundabout way of asking for it- its like they cant see the forest for the trees and they get so hung up on hating fatcats that they dont even see how what they really want is a 3 step process , not just a hate-rich-people-and-jesus-will-reign mentality....

profit · 10-05-2011, 04:46 AM

actually a lot of people no longer want government or any type of outdated bullshit manipulative control structure in their lives.

this is not about this side or that. tea party can get fucking tea bagged. this isnt about groups. fuck groups and movements, they have leaders and can be stopped and co opted and changed

i dont think change can happen with out some sort of movement which is why i think anonymous has a good chance of succeding, because it is a leaderless movement and hopefully it will be harder to co opt. we havent evolved yet so i think what we have going is the best for the times. which would make sense if you see all this as a puzzle with different pieces falling into place.

and kishar i bet you will be out protesting soon.

Ego Tripping · 10-05-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kishar

somebody needs to whack you upside the head with that stupid skateboard of yours and knock a little sense into ya.

Assuming you're talking to me (although I hate skateboarding)....bu t even if you're not...

How about you describe exactly what sense I am missing in a mature manner so that I may contemplate your talking points' validity and possibly integrate them into my worldview?

Or do you just want to spit out generic attacks that do nothing but just make me believe I'm about a billion times smarter than you and you're just angry about it?

Kishar · 10-05-2011, 11:10 AM

I wasn't talking about you ego...sorry. I was talking about "profit" because in the other thread there's a picture of him holding some dumb sign with a skateboard in his other hand like he's 15. Boy needs a haircut too...lol... he looks like justin bieber.

Ego Tripping · 10-05-2011, 02:17 PM

Granted...but what kind of sense is he missing? I rather appreciate his perspective, he's remaining fairly open without being sensationalist.

kamikazi89 · 10-06-2011, 07:50 AM

i think TMZ&TBS been getting to waves...

John F. Kerry · 10-06-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by profit

actually a lot of people no longer want government or any type of outdated bullshit manipulative control structure in their lives.

yea i understand, but let me ask you a simple thought experiment.

every time u sit at a red light, or stop for a stop sign, or pull over for an ambulance... are you not acquiescing to a "manipulative control structure" ? sure you are. and while in some cases I could see doing without the controls, and like anybody ,when im in a hurry and waiting and red lights it fucking pisses me off- but like everybody, i understand that my stopping at red lights is the price I pay to ensure that when its green other people will stop for me. thats like a pretty simple way of explaining how the power structure is actually by consensus not by some arbitrary design... thats also why people like me, even libertarians, accept some control... because no one could even drive a car if everyone could just obey their own rules of the road... i dont want obamas faceless bureaucrats making rules for me, but on the other hand, i think its pretty fundamentally necessary that we have certain times when the individual has to give up immediate wants for the collective...and that in some limited circumstances thats not a bad thing, and can actually make for something much better than if everyone just demanded instant gratification of all their guttural desires.

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10-02-2011, 05:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	I'm surprised at your (not so) subtle anger, Waves. While I can agree that the moment is scattered, this isn't about just a single group of people...this is representative of a philosophy and consciousness shift in people to bring awareness of the manipulation of the system. I often ask, "who's revolution is it, anyway?" Many people want to see some changes, but we all differ on how to implement them. The change a Republican or Tea Partier wants to see vastly differ from what a Liberal wants to see. What I find interesting about these protests, is they are against something EVERY person from ANY Political party will agree on: Corporate influence in Government. Doesn't matter who I speak to, whether its a devout Republican, a Tea Partier, Democrat, Liberal, Progressive or Independent; we all agree that somehow, someway, we need to separate these powers. We all want solutions, but let's be honest: the solutions themselves are ambiguous at best, which is why I don't think you see many being presented. The problems are systemic and deep, and I don't think anybody really know what the solution is...yet. The point of what is happening is to carve out a hole in our perception and understanding of the manipulation of the system to where a solution at least has the opportunity to present itself. So, I will never disparage or insult these attempts. And this is truly something everyone can get behind...assuming the message will get clearer and clearer. It can go either way, but as one of my favorite phrases goes..."Somethings gotta give!" __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day. Last edited by Ego Tripping; 10-02-2011 at 05:33 PM.

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Kishar loading user title.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: subcutaneous layer Posts: 2,236 Thanks: 121 Thanked 223 Times in 156 Posts	somebody needs to whack you upside the head with that stupid skateboard of yours and knock a little sense into ya. __________________ Those Americans who believed that we could live under the illusion of isolationism wanted the American eagle to imitate the tactics of the ostrich. Now, many of those same people, afraid that we may be sticking our necks out, want our national bird to be turned into a turtle. But we prefer to retain the eagle as it is--flying high and striking hard. "FDR"

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profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	actually a lot of people no longer want government or any type of outdated bullshit manipulative control structure in their lives. this is not about this side or that. tea party can get fucking tea bagged. this isnt about groups. fuck groups and movements, they have leaders and can be stopped and co opted and changed i dont think change can happen with out some sort of movement which is why i think anonymous has a good chance of succeding, because it is a leaderless movement and hopefully it will be harder to co opt. we havent evolved yet so i think what we have going is the best for the times. which would make sense if you see all this as a puzzle with different pieces falling into place. and kishar i bet you will be out protesting soon. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

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Kishar loading user title.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: subcutaneous layer Posts: 2,236 Thanks: 121 Thanked 223 Times in 156 Posts	I wasn't talking about you ego...sorry. I was talking about "profit" because in the other thread there's a picture of him holding some dumb sign with a skateboard in his other hand like he's 15. Boy needs a haircut too...lol... he looks like justin bieber. __________________ Those Americans who believed that we could live under the illusion of isolationism wanted the American eagle to imitate the tactics of the ostrich. Now, many of those same people, afraid that we may be sticking our necks out, want our national bird to be turned into a turtle. But we prefer to retain the eagle as it is--flying high and striking hard. "FDR"

10-05-2011, 02:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	Granted...but what kind of sense is he missing? I rather appreciate his perspective, he's remaining fairly open without being sensationalist. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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