What comes next with Occupy Wall st.?

fenderbender · 10-02-2011, 11:04 PM

So now that all these protest things are spreading all over the country, along with large unions starting to back them, and especially a (a.t.m.) peaceful group of very large numbers gaining followers by the day....

now what?

I really hope some of the people putting this all together thought about what to do a lil further on...

How will this be used?

Hopefully this doesnt go stale or people get restless and start rioting....

what to do what to do.

We need a modern day john lennon IMO

Flamingnun · 10-02-2011, 11:10 PM

So what exactly is it they are protesting about?

HTAM · 10-02-2011, 11:18 PM

The way the US Economy has woven it's tentacles around the neck of the middle and lower classes. A specific tentacle might be the way corporate money has played into the manipulation of those who can deregulate or slant the market in the favor of those corporations.

And it was those hosers up north that started it.

There's a new CIA, YO!

fenderbender · 10-03-2011, 01:01 AM

people are just pissed and gathering in mass.

If this movement isn't centered around being a peaceful one i think things have the chance of going bad.

It is gonna have to be directed at something soon enough.

Its vagueness is working at the moment, but pretty soon i feel as though people will get restless and angry b/c nothing will happen.

The protests have the whole "anti-greed" thing going on for it right now, I think they should tie in Compassion as being the greed's opposite.
Compassion can be the solution to what they all are protesting.

A compassionate movement protesting greed, in numbers in the thousands in many cities throughout the country....

that'd be pretty fucking rad .

Whatchu guys think?

Fuck i live right near nyc, i should relay this idea to someone not as lazy and busy as me.

Štulic · 10-03-2011, 02:29 AM

Compassion against greed would have to involve taking wealth away from the greedy and distributing it fairly to the poor. 1% has enough wealth to make the rest 99% stop worry about anything financially significant..

my_scatterheart · 10-03-2011, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenderbender

I really hope some of the people putting this all together thought about what to do a lil further on...

You can't live your life expecting everyone else to do all the work for you bud.

**SageTree** · 10-03-2011, 07:37 AM

I think it's rad that enough people are finally seeing that 99% means there are 99% more ACTUAL people who can help change the World of the 1%ers.

Labour/Union is a force in Canada, I hope that the States goes this way and more folks realize that Union=/= Soviet Era Communism

True... Union could use some reform... but compared to the Alternatives...

I think most people are mad at Unions for the money/benefits they make because they, themselves, are getting fucked over with wages/benefits.

Union benefits seem excessive to those who don't have them.
I bet more than a small % of people would hurt other people to have a Union benefits package.

Why not reform something that helps the most people, instead of reforming ways to keep the elite's money in their pockets via legislated cuts and loopholes?

K10 · 10-03-2011, 08:09 AM

I'm not sure where it's going, but I like it. At least people are mad enough to get out in the streets. They may not know what they're mad about collectively yet, but I think it's a good direction to go and a warranted response.
A lot of ideas need to be condensed I guess. My personal opinion is that the movement should really focus on corporate influence in politics and the revolving door scenario seen between regulatory agencies and corporate entities. These are the things that truly make the American public impotent.
You have people who have worked in industry for years who are then tapped for government regulatory bodies. They then do a bunch of favors for their friends in the industry and are gifted a job back in the industry when their stint in government is completed. The whole cycle goes back and forth and is corrupt as hell.
Furthermore, it's safe to say that corporate money gets a hell of a lot more done than votes. That needs to change and if that doesn't piss you off then you're a moron.
How to fix it? I have no clue. If someone can quantify these problems into actual solutions then many, many props to you.

I think this is the message that the movement should be representing though.

Waves · 10-03-2011, 04:30 PM

Nothings going to happen.

It was such a naive misguided unfocused attempt that nothing is going to happen.

But still, i do have a slightly better opinion of this whole thing than i did the other day. At least it shows that the frustration is getting to a point where people are doing stuff about it.

The real change is going to happen when people are so pissed off they are FORCED to occupy wall street to survive and create an income for themselves. They talk about all this support from unions and stuff but that means nothing when the unions cant actually do anything. the unions are just composed of people who know they arent going to be fired for voicing their opinions. They wouldnt actually put their own jobs on the line.

When the people who are working are forced to do this kind of shit is when shit is going to get real. And it will get there with the way our country and economy is going.

For the record I fully support what they stand for and what they want done, i just think it was a hilariously naive misguided unfocused attempt at doing so.

That hilarious list they released to the media makes them look like grade-schoolers rebelling against their teacher for assigning homework.

Gotta do better than that. Especially gotta do better than that if your intent is to take down power structures that have been in place for a long time and are handled by people who control more than you could ever dream of controlling.

Sir-Ex · 10-03-2011, 04:42 PM

The only thing that could possibly enable the 'good' guys to win, the compassionate types, the loving types, is to have a powerful military working with them.

Because they, those in control, will push, they will push intentionally until something breaks in us, and when it does the guns will be drawn with such savage terror and confusion we will fall apart - and from the pieces of humanity left over will a new design be created.

Waves · 10-03-2011, 04:52 PM

i think the military will side with the people in america. the military is made up of lower/middle class americans who will go along with what their family and friends are doing. also, if its directly in their best interest as lower/middle class citizens to revolt i would hope they would make the choice that is in their best interest as opposed to the choice where they keep getting no jobs and shit. from everything ive seen so far, the people in the military are just as frustrated as everyone else is.

what it comes down to is necessity, and when its necessary to protest people will do it. when its necessary to change people will do it. when people are comfortable they will not tend to seek ways to change that comfort. we stay static when we are comfortable.

right now america is for the most part comfy. the reason these places like the middle east are seeing all these revolutions and protests is because the people are really fucking pissed off. for them its not firstworldproblem shit like not being able to find a job, its real shit like they need to feed their family and also make sure they dont have their heads chopped off. so all the americans who dont have jobs and are pissed off at the country they live in see this happening and they want in on some of this protest action. what they dont know is that besides themselves are millions of people who ARE working and who DO enjoy their current lifestyle, and until the world makes it necessary for them to change they arent going to do it.

thats why the 99% thing really is silly to me. 99% of people arent pissed off or in economic trouble. if that were the case there would be much more shit going on in this country. the scale of equality shouldnt be based on wealth distribution rather simply who is pissed off and who isnt. thats what actually decides what change happens.

there exist power structures, money structures, economic structures, that have been in place for a really long time and those people have gotten good at doing what they do to the point where they can convince millions of americans they have enough money to buy shit they dont have money for, and then when the shit hits the fan, they can convince the american people that they need MORE money to bail them out of the situation they themselves have just created by telling you you have enough money to buy that house or car.

thats the kind of people we are dealing with. they control every aspect of what we normal citizens consume from media to the economy to food to jobs etc etc. peaceful protest aint gonna do SHIT against these people. at best it raises awareness and spreads the inspiration to actually do something about your frustration. but it needs to go further than people hanging outside wall street with signs for any actual change to take place.

im sure one day the change that needs to happen will happen but my only question is how pissed off do people need to get before it happens? how dire does the world situation or the national situation need to get?

also, george carlin said this:

You know how I define the economic and social classes in this country? The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there... just to scare the shit out of the middle class. Keep 'em showing up at those jobs.

Sir-Ex · 10-03-2011, 05:17 PM

Heh George Carlin's got it right there.

As for military alignment, I don't think it'll be as simple as soldiers siding with the people to overthrow our evil, money loving masters.

In fact, I don't think the people truly pulling the strings are very interested in money at all. Money is lucrative indeed and attracts all sorts of greedy, unkind people, this is true. But the truest and most pervasive sense of power comes when you control life itself.

I think there are people like that, who have a plan for us.

I'm thinking the plan is to create a state of living that is so desperate and chaotic that it wont be a question of the military siding with the people - it'll be a choice of support the military or accept death.

There will be a war, and things will be so bad here that there will be no other option than to support the military. It will be this war that changes the very design of our civilization, and the most efficient and systematic military engine yet to exist will take root.

Sir-Ex · 10-03-2011, 05:18 PM

wow your post totally changed I wonder if my response is even appropriate now.

edit; okay yeah it's still applicable.

Man in Black · 10-03-2011, 05:20 PM

lol @ modern day John Lennon.

edit- Lennon was a self centered prick.

**SageTree** · 10-03-2011, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man in Black

lol @ modern day John Lennon.

edit- Lennon was a self centered prick.

yeaaaaaaa...... I was thinking I might have picked another person as well.

shit... since we're picking dead people.... how about Rumi or Abraham Lincoln?

Sir-Ex · 10-03-2011, 05:26 PM

careful! he's as Jesus is to Christians for a lot of people

**SageTree** · 10-03-2011, 05:28 PM

I heard he was MORE popular than Jesus....!!!

wocka wocka wocka!!!!

Sir-Ex · 10-03-2011, 05:32 PM

Penis. penis in yo mouth. Penis. penis in yo mouth.

Man in Black · 10-03-2011, 05:48 PM

"We need a modern day this, we need a modern day that."

No, we don't. Those people were only relevant to the time they lived in.

The only thing/person that needs to "come back" is Jesus and by the time that happens the shit will have already hit the fan so what does it matter.

A lot of people are awfully naive. "We can change the world!". Well, yeah. You can. But to think that any of this is going to have "progress" or a "true positive change" is bananas. I won't even use Jesus on this one. I'll use rock and or roll.

"History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man"- BOC

"Meet the new boss; same as the old boss."- The Who

HTAM · 10-03-2011, 05:49 PM

I would accept Louis Black and Samuel Jackson speaking for the cause.

10-02-2011, 11:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Flamingnun Shpadoinkle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: roflmao Posts: 17,491 Thanks: 1,046 Thanked 2,633 Times in 1,185 Posts	So what exactly is it they are protesting about? __________________

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,767 Times in 4,664 Posts	I think it's rad that enough people are finally seeing that 99% means there are 99% more ACTUAL people who can help change the World of the 1%ers. Labour/Union is a force in Canada, I hope that the States goes this way and more folks realize that Union=/= Soviet Era Communism True... Union could use some reform... but compared to the Alternatives... I think most people are mad at Unions for the money/benefits they make because they, themselves, are getting fucked over with wages/benefits. Union benefits seem excessive to those who don't have them. I bet more than a small % of people would hurt other people to have a Union benefits package. Why not reform something that helps the most people, instead of reforming ways to keep the elite's money in their pockets via legislated cuts and loopholes? __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

10-03-2011, 08:09 AM	#8 (permalink)
K10 Lazy lightning Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: out in the cold rain and snow Posts: 3,142 Thanks: 133 Thanked 337 Times in 184 Posts	I'm not sure where it's going, but I like it. At least people are mad enough to get out in the streets. They may not know what they're mad about collectively yet, but I think it's a good direction to go and a warranted response. A lot of ideas need to be condensed I guess. My personal opinion is that the movement should really focus on corporate influence in politics and the revolving door scenario seen between regulatory agencies and corporate entities. These are the things that truly make the American public impotent. You have people who have worked in industry for years who are then tapped for government regulatory bodies. They then do a bunch of favors for their friends in the industry and are gifted a job back in the industry when their stint in government is completed. The whole cycle goes back and forth and is corrupt as hell. Furthermore, it's safe to say that corporate money gets a hell of a lot more done than votes. That needs to change and if that doesn't piss you off then you're a moron. How to fix it? I have no clue. If someone can quantify these problems into actual solutions then many, many props to you. I think this is the message that the movement should be representing though. __________________ Just because you tie dye your wool, doesn't mean you're not a sheep. R.I.P. Alice D.

10-03-2011, 04:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	Nothings going to happen. It was such a naive misguided unfocused attempt that nothing is going to happen. But still, i do have a slightly better opinion of this whole thing than i did the other day. At least it shows that the frustration is getting to a point where people are doing stuff about it. The real change is going to happen when people are so pissed off they are FORCED to occupy wall street to survive and create an income for themselves. They talk about all this support from unions and stuff but that means nothing when the unions cant actually do anything. the unions are just composed of people who know they arent going to be fired for voicing their opinions. They wouldnt actually put their own jobs on the line. When the people who are working are forced to do this kind of shit is when shit is going to get real. And it will get there with the way our country and economy is going. For the record I fully support what they stand for and what they want done, i just think it was a hilariously naive misguided unfocused attempt at doing so. That hilarious list they released to the media makes them look like grade-schoolers rebelling against their teacher for assigning homework. Gotta do better than that. Especially gotta do better than that if your intent is to take down power structures that have been in place for a long time and are handled by people who control more than you could ever dream of controlling. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow Last edited by Waves; 10-03-2011 at 04:36 PM.

10-03-2011, 04:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,413 Thanks: 1,725 Thanked 3,816 Times in 2,256 Posts	The only thing that could possibly enable the 'good' guys to win, the compassionate types, the loving types, is to have a powerful military working with them. Because they, those in control, will push, they will push intentionally until something breaks in us, and when it does the guns will be drawn with such savage terror and confusion we will fall apart - and from the pieces of humanity left over will a new design be created. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

10-02-2011, 11:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
HTAM Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,872 Thanks: 2,368 Thanked 2,117 Times in 1,179 Posts	The way the US Economy has woven it's tentacles around the neck of the middle and lower classes. A specific tentacle might be the way corporate money has played into the manipulation of those who can deregulate or slant the market in the favor of those corporations. And it was those hosers up north that started it. There's a new CIA, YO!

10-03-2011, 04:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	i think the military will side with the people in america. the military is made up of lower/middle class americans who will go along with what their family and friends are doing. also, if its directly in their best interest as lower/middle class citizens to revolt i would hope they would make the choice that is in their best interest as opposed to the choice where they keep getting no jobs and shit. from everything ive seen so far, the people in the military are just as frustrated as everyone else is. what it comes down to is necessity, and when its necessary to protest people will do it. when its necessary to change people will do it. when people are comfortable they will not tend to seek ways to change that comfort. we stay static when we are comfortable. right now america is for the most part comfy. the reason these places like the middle east are seeing all these revolutions and protests is because the people are really fucking pissed off. for them its not firstworldproblem shit like not being able to find a job, its real shit like they need to feed their family and also make sure they dont have their heads chopped off. so all the americans who dont have jobs and are pissed off at the country they live in see this happening and they want in on some of this protest action. what they dont know is that besides themselves are millions of people who ARE working and who DO enjoy their current lifestyle, and until the world makes it necessary for them to change they arent going to do it. thats why the 99% thing really is silly to me. 99% of people arent pissed off or in economic trouble. if that were the case there would be much more shit going on in this country. the scale of equality shouldnt be based on wealth distribution rather simply who is pissed off and who isnt. thats what actually decides what change happens. there exist power structures, money structures, economic structures, that have been in place for a really long time and those people have gotten good at doing what they do to the point where they can convince millions of americans they have enough money to buy shit they dont have money for, and then when the shit hits the fan, they can convince the american people that they need MORE money to bail them out of the situation they themselves have just created by telling you you have enough money to buy that house or car. thats the kind of people we are dealing with. they control every aspect of what we normal citizens consume from media to the economy to food to jobs etc etc. peaceful protest aint gonna do SHIT against these people. at best it raises awareness and spreads the inspiration to actually do something about your frustration. but it needs to go further than people hanging outside wall street with signs for any actual change to take place. im sure one day the change that needs to happen will happen but my only question is how pissed off do people need to get before it happens? how dire does the world situation or the national situation need to get? also, george carlin said this: You know how I define the economic and social classes in this country? The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there... just to scare the shit out of the middle class. Keep 'em showing up at those jobs. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow Last edited by Waves; 10-03-2011 at 05:06 PM.

10-03-2011, 05:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,413 Thanks: 1,725 Thanked 3,816 Times in 2,256 Posts	Heh George Carlin's got it right there. As for military alignment, I don't think it'll be as simple as soldiers siding with the people to overthrow our evil, money loving masters. In fact, I don't think the people truly pulling the strings are very interested in money at all. Money is lucrative indeed and attracts all sorts of greedy, unkind people, this is true. But the truest and most pervasive sense of power comes when you control life itself. I think there are people like that, who have a plan for us. I'm thinking the plan is to create a state of living that is so desperate and chaotic that it wont be a question of the military siding with the people - it'll be a choice of support the military or accept death. There will be a war, and things will be so bad here that there will be no other option than to support the military. It will be this war that changes the very design of our civilization, and the most efficient and systematic military engine yet to exist will take root. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

10-03-2011, 05:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,413 Thanks: 1,725 Thanked 3,816 Times in 2,256 Posts	wow your post totally changed I wonder if my response is even appropriate now. edit; okay yeah it's still applicable. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

10-03-2011, 05:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
Man in Black willie d Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: dayton,ohio Posts: 4,817 Thanks: 3,200 Thanked 1,348 Times in 896 Posts	lol @ modern day John Lennon. edit- Lennon was a self centered prick. __________________ When I was arrested I was dressed in black.

10-03-2011, 05:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,413 Thanks: 1,725 Thanked 3,816 Times in 2,256 Posts	careful! he's as Jesus is to Christians for a lot of people __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

10-03-2011, 05:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 23,414 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 13,070 Thanked 6,767 Times in 4,664 Posts	I heard he was MORE popular than Jesus....!!! wocka wocka wocka!!!! __________________ "What's oppressive is letting your life be confined by old definitions of what everything is." -Zen Meister my_scatterheart YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance.

10-03-2011, 05:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
Sir-Ex Learner Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 11,413 Thanks: 1,725 Thanked 3,816 Times in 2,256 Posts	Penis. penis in yo mouth. Penis. penis in yo mouth. __________________ Smile Ditch the cigs!!!!!!

10-03-2011, 05:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
Man in Black willie d Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: dayton,ohio Posts: 4,817 Thanks: 3,200 Thanked 1,348 Times in 896 Posts	"We need a modern day this, we need a modern day that." No, we don't. Those people were only relevant to the time they lived in. The only thing/person that needs to "come back" is Jesus and by the time that happens the shit will have already hit the fan so what does it matter. A lot of people are awfully naive. "We can change the world!". Well, yeah. You can. But to think that any of this is going to have "progress" or a "true positive change" is bananas. I won't even use Jesus on this one. I'll use rock and or roll. "History shows again and again how nature points up the folly of man"- BOC "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss."- The Who __________________ When I was arrested I was dressed in black.

10-03-2011, 05:49 PM	#20 (permalink)
HTAM Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,872 Thanks: 2,368 Thanked 2,117 Times in 1,179 Posts	I would accept Louis Black and Samuel Jackson speaking for the cause.

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