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I did not read how this all got started, but I will venture to say that the average weight of a student in a poorly preforming school is heaver then that of a well preforming school. Healthy classes get cut, nutritional meals cost more. Parents work several job, nutritional meals also take more time to prepare. Its a vicious cycle.

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Geeno

One of my things with getting laid is that I can slay a fatty no effort within hours, but I generally choose not too.

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Mercury

^dude fat girls are like so easy that you can probably screw her, marry her, knock her up, openly cheat on her AND get her to do everything for you... all by the third date... and she would still cling to you.

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Stanton Peedman

^ Someones been watching Jerry Springer

Flamingnun

Where, exactly?

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Dhomnley

Glad you said it, but you are misguided. Obesity is mostly genetic. It's not like eye color or intelligence, and it can be manipulated somewhat, but it is in fact genetic in the same realm as addiction potential, mental illness, and personality. One's environment plays a large role, and the fact that Americans eat out a lot (restaurant food is poison) doesn't help this.

I could sit around all day and eat greasy fast food, and would develop a slight belly. I'd be fat in the technical sense, but nowhere near what "fat" in America is. Vice versa is true for most fat people. They would have to bust their ass to lose weight, and most don't have it in them to do that. Eating changes, lifestyle change, nope.

Your post is similar to saying we can fix the youth problem of poor achievements in school if only we spent more on education. What a majority of Americans won't admit is the average youth today is mostly unintelligent, unable to accomplish much. This sounds cruel, but it's true.

Nice try in "getting real", but you failed. I'm not picking on you. You made a concerted effort to call out a real problem, but it goes much deeper than people not doing enough.

Terry

Quite the divisive issue.

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Geeno

i say it mostly comes down to personal choice.

My sister is fat because she has liver disease for whatever reason.

No one else in the family has ever been obese. Some beer guts here and there but nothing serious.

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AnimalLover420

Please hear me. I am saying that carrying extra weight, no matter how it got there, is unhealthy. Medical professionals would back me up on that, and anyone who says otherwise is deceiving the masses. Some of you are getting so defensive that you're refusing to look at the reality of the situation. We allow people to speak out against war, drugs, disease, poverty, anything else that is hurting society. But when I bring up something that is affecting billions of people, regardless of age, sex, or ethnicity, and is killing us at alarming rates, I'm a douchebag because some of you got your feelings hurt. On the other hand, people who perpetuate this problem by acting like fat is not only acceptable but desirable, are hailed as heroes who open their arms to all body types. Well my arms are open, but my love is the kind that is honest and sometimes hurts a little.

I do understand that genetics may cause some people to be predisposed to weight gain, but the fact that obesity rates are RAPIDLY increasing tells me there's more to it (and perhaps it's used as an excuse far too often?). I am truly one of the only people in my entire family who maintains a healthy BMI. Just like Snowmayne, if I start to slip on my diet or exercise for even a few weeks, the weight will accumulate. I'm not one of those people who can have a trim physique with no effort. But I acquired the knowledge I needed regarding nutrition and fitness, and I implemented a plan to keep myself in shape. I'm not a fucking superhero, I just take care of myself, plain and simple.

You can make me out to be insensitive, but really I care about humanity. I want us to have the balls to address the things that are hurting us.

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Dhomnley

I know what you're saying. It is very unhealthy to be obese. You are saying it's time to stop pretending it's ok at the cost of being insensitive. I would agree with you if I had hope for humanity. I don't

This issue has been brought into the spotlight. We are supposed to care? We do.

We have plenty of options for healthy eating, stopping smoking, treatment for drug addicts, etc. What you need to understand is there are many people who don't care enough about themselves and/or their impact to actively work on getting healthy.

I wish we lived in a society that put more responsibility on individuals. I would be perfectly fine with letting poor families starve to death, denying health care to the obese, letting them die over using taxpayer or insurance funds to save them. The list goes on. There are enough people who do care that we can't sacrifice ourselves anymore. A line needs to be drawn, and this might be the only way to truly help those that don't. Knowing that no one will save you could be the best motivator to take responsibility.

I'm being insensitive. You are being naive. If someone doesn't care about themselves, it is not human nature to help them.

HTAM

Oh, boy.

OldMan&TheWeed

I've raised five kids, obesity runs in my family, but not one of my kids is fat. No, we don't run together, but a family outing always means a walk, if not a hike. We almost never eat out (too expensive) and I NEVER buy soda. Whenever I'm in the supermarket behind someone with ten 2 liter bottles of coke, the entire family's almost always obese.

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OldMan&TheWeed

I agree to a point.

I have family fotos going back to 1855. The first fat people appear in the early 50s. In recent pictures (the last 20 years) we're all overweight.

Are we genetically predisposed? Certainly. But unlike other genetically determined conditions, it is in our power to change.

One of the problems with this is all the misinformation that's out there.

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The Rev

They did some study once about a group of people of meso-american descent that happened to straddle the U.S. border. The people in this group who lived on the U.S. side had serious obesity issues, but the group on the much poorer Mexican side didn't. It's a bit like the pacific islander peoples who, after western culture went in, and their diets changed from traditional foods to Burger King, gained a great deal of weight.

Genetics plays a role, but so does the availability of tasty, fattening foods. We engineer our food to be cheap, delicious, and readily available in over-sized portions. In a world of people who crave pleasure and are taught on a daily basis that buyable pleasures are the secret to getting out of that life of quiet desperation, it's little wonder that obesity (and, for similar reasons, consumer debt) is a growing problem.



The Rev

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in a WORLD of people who are taught on a daily basis that buyable pleasures are the secret to getting out of that life of quiet desperation?
What world have you travelled? I’be been to many a non-western nation where people know, where I would go as far as to say the majority knows, that buyable pleasure is not healthy.
Anyways, in terms of fattening foods…again its mostly lack of exercise and lack of education
"Television. Cars. Computers. Remote controls. Elevators. Escalators. E-mail. Leaf-blowers. Golf carts. Automatic doors. Automatic windows. Automatic toilet-flushers. It all adds up. Little by little, we're turning into a nation of couch potatoes. And we're paying a price for it. Inactive people have a higher risk of heart disease, diabetes, colon cancer, obesity, and osteoporosis … Getting off the couch doesn't just ward off life-threatening illness. It may also help you function like you're 20 years younger, cut your odds of ending up in a nursing home, help you sleep better, ward off colds, and improve your outlook on life."
-Nutrition Action HealthLetter, newsletter of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, 1999

"The lack of evidence of a general increase in energy [food] intake among youths despite an increase in the prevalence of overweight suggests that physical inactivity is a major public health challenge in this age group."
-American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2000

"These results suggest that habitual activity plays an important role in weight gain, with no parallel evidence that energy intake had a similar role … The composite findings from NGHS so far indicate that the drastic decline in habitual activity during adolescence might be a major factor in the doubling of the rate of obesity development in the USA in the past two decades, since no concomitant increase in energy intake was apparent."
-Lancet, 2005

"The obesity epidemic is driven, in my view, more by decreases in average daily energy expenditure than by increases in average daily energy intake. Unfortunately we do not have data on average daily energy expenditure or on changes in this variable, and the data we have on average daily energy intake are questionable. Therefore the fundamental cause of the increases in obesity prevalence observed over the past several years cannot be determined."
-Steven Blair, P.E.D., Cooper Institute for Aerobics Research, 2005

"Of the 7 dietary and physical activity variables examined in this cross-sectional study, insufficient vigorous physical activity was the only risk factor for higher body mass index for adolescent boys and girls … Interestingly, in this group of adolescents, increased energy intake (higher kilojoules) was related to decreased overweight status. At first, this finding appears contradictory. However, given the increasing levels of vigorous activity among this group, it is likely that they expend greater amounts of energy, creating a favorable energy balance."
-Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine, 2004

"Contrary to hypotheses, elevated intake of high-fat foods, binge eating, and exercise did not predict obesity onset."
-Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 2005

"A reduction in energy expenditure must be the main determinant of the current epidemic of obesity." [Note: this study also found that people who exercise the most had a 57 percent lower chance of being obese.]
-International Journal of Obesity, 1995

"Inactivity is a major cause of obesity in the United States. In fact, inactivity might be a far more significant factor in the development of obesity than overeating."
-The President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports, 2004

"It is often assumed that the increase in pediatric obesity has occurred because of an increase in caloric intake. However, the data do not substantiate this."
-Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 2004

"In fact, several investigators report that the calorie intake (defined in absolute or weight-adjusted units) of obese persons is not greater and may be less than the intake of nonobese persons. Body weight, body fat, and lean body mass were also not associated with caloric intake in our study of obese men … [W]e conclude that the nonsignificant correlations between obesity measures and total caloric intake suggests that variations in the level of obesity among these sedentary overweight men cannot be directly related to caloric consumption and may reflect sedentary lifestyle."
-American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1988

"… there has been no relationship between either total energy intake or fat consumption and the prevalence of clinical obesity over the last 60 years, whilst proxy measures of physical inactivity (TV viewing and car ownership) are closely related."
-British Medical Bulletin, 1997

"Evidence suggests that modern inactive lifestyles are at least as important as diet in the aetiology [origin] of obesity and possibly represents the dominant factor."
-British Medical Journal, 1995

"… those who were obese and reported the least physical activity had the lowest caloric intake."
-American Journal of Preventative Medicine, 2003

"Results from this study show that adiposity was not related to either absolute or relative energy intake for males and only to absolute energy intake for females; this relationship disappeared when consumption was expressed relative to body weight or lean body mass. Drean et al. similarly found no relationship between energy intake and body fat in middle-aged men. Studies in the German Democratic Republic and from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey that used large databases, indicate that normal-weight and overweight persons ingest about the same number of joules."
-American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1990

"Energy intakes per person were [about] 7% lower in 1994 than in 1977-78."
-American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2000

"Dietary factors were not associated with BMI across the three study years … Moreover, there was no significant correlation between time spent watching television and the percentage of calories consumed from fat in any of the three observation years."
-International Journal of Obesity, 2005

"… from 1980 through 2000, obesity increased 10 percent, physical activity decreased 13 percent and caloric intake rose 1 percent among U.S. adolescents."
-Dr. Lisa Sutherland, University of North Carolina, 2003

"… about 40 percent of the recent growth in weight seems to be due to agricultural innovations that have lowered food prices, while 60 percent may be due to demand factors such as declining physical activity from technological changes in home and market production … [T]his secular growth in weight has been accompanied by only modest gains in calorie consumption. Indeed, the immediate postwar period witnessed substantial growth in weight and declining consumption of calories."
-National Bureau of Economic Research, 2004

"After 14 years of working, those in the least sedentary occupations have about 3.5 units of BMI less than those in the most sedentary ones."
-Harvard Institute of Economic Research, 2003

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Dhomnley

I agree with the OP's point, just went off topic or approached the issue differently. There was serious backlash to the featuring of ultra-slim models in magazines, and some illogical curves>skinny messages were thrown out. If a girl is fat and wants to tell herself it's attractive even though she wants to look like a rail thin model but doesn't have the dedication to even get to a healthy body weight, no sweat off my sack. Neither rail thin or fat is healthy.

I myself wish I was more muscular, 6'8" tall with a 10" cock. I'm not going to start crying and hope society tells me that being a skinny wimp that never works out is healthy. There is a healthy medium in both body image and health/fitness/eating. Whatever.

Dhomnley

And I'm not insinuating that the OP is crying. The OP was making sense. If you are not satisfied with your body image, don't expect society to make up lies.

OldMan&TheWeed

In nature we lived in a condition of scarcity; hence, it was to our advantage to seek out calorically-dense foods and eat as much as we could find. For every day of feast there would likely be many days of famine. This otherwise healthy instict is sabatoged by the modern environment of plenty. Now we merely feast -- all the time! Added to this constant supply of fat, sweet, and salty food is the constant bombardment of commercial propaganda and medical misinformation, and we find ourselves in the Pleasure Trap.

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