scottishbastard

I'm sure if I took the time to search the forums I could have found this answer myself, but I'm pressed for time (I'm on the library computer and we have a time limit and If they see me on a "drug related website" I'm in shit). Anyways. I was at my methadone clinic today and I got in this big ass argument with the supervisor about marijuana being physically addictive....
I admitted it can become psychologically addictive and that the lifestyle is easy to fall into but she was saying stuff like "It's the same thing that happens with heroin....Your receptors get addicted to the thc and it causes physical withdrawl symptoms"....
Now I know when you dont have weed sleeping and eating isn't as easy, but I think that's more in your head than anything. It's not like I cant eat or cant sleep, its just not as easy.

For example I started smoking pot daily when I was 15 (between a gram and 5 grams a day) and I started using heroin daily when I was 19 (between 4 and 12 balloons a day/which transfers to a half a gram to just over a gram a day). I'm now 24 (25 in less than a month). I was only able to quit heroin last october by getting back on the methadone program. But to get my take homes (methadone doses you take home so you dont have to go in each day to dose) I had to quit smoking pot for my drug test. So in July I quit pot "cold turkey" and had no problems whatsoever...except realizing that Two and a half men isn't nearly as funny as I thought it was.

I wanna go in there in the next couple days and show her a bunch of studies and whatnot that cannabis isn't physically addicted but can't seem to find anything solid online. If anyone has any credible studies or quotes or whatever that I could show her I'd really appreciate it. And once again I don't wanna hear about how it can be psychologically addictive. I know that. I'm talking physical...like alcohol, nicotine, benzos, downers etc.

Thanks.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

Mercury

It's true. If I don't get a hit of weed I start shaking and convulsing. Then the cold sweats start in and all I can do is lay in the fetal position with all the lights out for days. It sucks.

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Qui-Bong Jinn

I thought everybody knew this...it's not mentally addiciting at all, but everytime after smoking for a while, I can't eat anything (makes me gag), except soup for the first couple days without it, I have a hard time falling asleep as well, and I'm a little more irritable then usual. But its been a week and a half and I'm absolutely fine now.

I'm sure you're joking Mercury, but last time I went on a tolerance break I got the sweats for about a week afterwards.


All addiction is in your head Scottishbastard.

Dhomnley

Physically, weed is about as addictive as caffeine. So it's moderate. Low addiction potential are drugs like lsd, shrooms, mescaline...

I know, none of you want to admit this while you reach for your loaded pipe and are about to smoke one.

Home Wrecker

I would say it is a bit physically addictive. Withdrawal symptoms being like, lack of appetite, nausea, trouble sleeping. Not as bad as heroin, but noticeable.

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Terry

Sup Scottish, remember when you said you'd post a pic with you in a threesome with two chicks then didn't and fled like a little bitch for like half a year?

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Dhomnley

What needs to be considered, and this is the litmus test, is whether the user has a psychological condition. Then it's a whole new ball game.

I never take studies seriously. There are too many variables that are never considered. Get 100 healthy people with no history of depression and you'll find weed isn't addictive at all. Get 100 people with severe depression and anxiety and it's a tough drug to kick.

The Rev

Interesting. I've never had withdrawal issues, but then the most I've ever smoked was once a day, before bed. I know they make a big deal about marijuana's addictive powers on "Celebrity Rehab" and "Dr. Phile" and all that, but I assumed it was playing up a barely existent problem to make the show more interesting.

What I would like to hear more about in the media, however, is the physical addictiveness of substances like refined sugar.



The Rev

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deadhead94

Physically addictive substances generally cause the release of neurochemicals (like cocaine or amphetamines) or fully substitute for them in our normal biological functions (like prednisone or opiates). Cannabis doesn't do either of those. THC and related chemicals are partial agonists of their receptors, so they don't fully substitute. The addictive potential is probably in the same boat as serotonin agonists (psychedelics)


It is psychologically addictive though. Anhedonia is almost ubiquitous as a cessation effect after long, heavy use. That isn't a coincidence.

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Qui-Bong Jinn

SoK you are an idiot. Coming from someone who suffers from depression and severe ADHD (say it doesn't exist all you want, you seem the ignorant type), and I had no problem stopping.

Mercury

^stfu you idiots! you're going to get me dropped from the marijuanadone system.

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Dhomnley

So you stopped for good, huh? Week and a half? It's not even out of your system yet. Quit for a few months, come back and tell everyone how easy it is.

deadhead94

I stopped for like a year because it took time away from doing other drugs. Contrary to idiot belief, you can't just substitute one addiction with something entirely different. It doesn't work that way.


What say you now?


If you mix you weed with tobacco, all bets are off. Because the weed will become part of the psychological component of nicotine addiction as well as being psychologically addictive in its own right.

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Qui-Bong Jinn

I didn't smoke at all in the summer of 2010. I'm not going to sit here and argue with an ignorant fuck like you though.

farmergiles

I find it very easy to stop smoking weed.

Also- I really like weed and think smoking it is a good idea.

Just every now and then I like to take a few month's break.

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scottishbastard

I dont have the net anymore terry. I got dumped by that fucking heffalump a week later. Go check her facebook page (Allison McKinley). She's dating my fat ass Sand nigger of a "best friend" now. I'm only online now cause I'm at the library. The photos are on her computer....Either way I was so strung out on h and coke that night (it was my birthday) that for some reason i thought you guys might wanna see it...But after sobering up the next day I realized they were both fat and nasty. Either way, I posted naked pictures of her here a few years ago before she got fat. The other one was always fat and skanky...

Either way, I can't get in a b.s. discussion right now. I need actual studies to show this psycho.

I've never had any withdrawl symptoms from pot, except irritability and nightmares, but thats only cause thc stops the dream process.

Btw All addiction isn't in your head. My dad who wouldn't even go to the hospital when he started puking and shitting blood from cirhosis had to be put on phenobarbital and then valium for like 2 months when he tried quitting drinking for this teaching job he had at a catholic school. And from being in the junkie scene I can tell you first hand heroin, methadone, and other opiates are extremely physically addictive. I had to change my sheets ever 15 minutes cause of all the sweat. Plus puking, shitting, shaking, and hallucinations. My second stay in the san bernardino psych ward was from methadone withdrawls. I thought the Radio guy Bill Caroll was sending me messages.

Anyways totally besides the point. Does anyone have any links to or quotes from studies relating to the PHYSICALLY addictive nature (or lack there of) of Thc/Cbd/Cbn? Heresay won't mean much to the methadone clinic.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

scottishbastard

They call it the MMT (marijuana maintainance treatment)...I did it for like 9 months lol But I won't get take homes if I keep toking. So I gave it up...FOR NOW bwahahaha.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

Terry

So much fail for one paragraph I scarcely know where to start.

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deadhead94

Neither will a few scientific papers. Marijuana is illegal, they wont let you use it if you want to take your pills home.

But I don't want to talk about methadone. It will be regarded by history as a medical folly of the late 20th century and early 21st. Similar to the quackery of the old days, but somehow legitimised. The notion of replacing one opiate with one of significantly higher toxicity is laughable.

When people in the future laugh at us over prohibition in history class, there will be an entire chapter on methadone. It is the prototypical reaction of our society to "the problem of drugs".

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Qui-Bong Jinn

Isn't methadone just as addictive?