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Old 12-16-2011, 01:11 PM   #61 (permalink)
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*Sigh*

You talk about an intent to change the system, yet you preface your statement by citing becoming more politically involved...



NDAA just passed, and guess which majorly prominant politician was the only one to make ANY statement regarding it?

“This is a giant step – this should be the biggest news going right now – literally legalizing martial law.”

“This is big,” continued Paul, adding “This step where they can literally arrest American citizens and put them away without trial….is arrogant and bold and dangerous.”



But it doesn't matter that he is outspoken against it because he wouldnt stand for any type of change, he'd just allow to let your rights be taken from you the way they are anyway... so there's no point in giving him any heed.

Oh, and your current administration is mocking you as they do it.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:17 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Im completely open to the idea that RP is a good guy. I never said anything about him taking away my rights. I also never said anything about wanting to get involved in the current political environment any more than anyone else. All im doing is commenting on it. Me commenting on whats going on and me wanting to get involved with whats going on are two completely different things.

All the stuff hes saying is exactly the kind of thing a politician WOULD be saying to get you to vote for him.

Im basically just echoing sir-ex's comment. We have a history of politicians who talk a big game until they actually get elected and then its the same old song and dance. The same thing happened with Obama. He was supposed to represent real change rememeber?

How can you trust that this guy you dont even know is going to bring any real change? thats all im asking. How do you know hes not just ANOTHER (and i DO mean another) wolf in sheeps clothing bullshit artist?
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:24 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Im completely open to the idea that RP is a good guy. I never said anything about him taking away my rights. I also never said anything about wanting to get involved in the current political environment any more than anyone else. All im doing is commenting on it.

All the stuff hes saying is exactly the kind of thing a politician WOULD be saying to get you to vote for him.

Im basically just echoing sir-ex's comment. We have a history of politicians who talk a big game until they actually get elected and then its the same old song and dance. The same thing happened with Obama. He was supposed to represent real change rememeber?

How can you trust that this guy you dont even know is going to bring any real change? thats all im asking. How do you know hes not just ANOTHER (and i DO mean another) wofl in sheeps clothing?
Your cynicism actually lets you think this man would be say/believe in the same principles for 30 years only to pull the wool over people's eyes in the (now, relatively less so) slim chance he becomes president, simply because he's a politician.

There is no way I'm going to convince you of anything other than your current view of politicians, or that one could actually be sincere, so I'm not going to argue with you anymore.

NDAA just passed.

Please look into it.
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Old 12-16-2011, 01:32 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Your cynicism actually lets you think this man would be say/believe in the same principles for 30 years only to pull the wool over people's eyes in the (now, relatively less so) slim chance he becomes president, simply because he's a politician.
This is basically what Obama is doing right now, are you paying attention to what the dudes doing?

It doesnt matter WHAT the president believes, thats my entire point. Corporations have taken over the government. What THEY say goes.

Again, I dont doubt ron paul is a good guy and has good intentions, its simply a matter of the system in place is going to stifle those good intentions. Corporations have more say than the president in policies and lawmaking these days. We need a new system.

All I want to know is how anyone expects RP, or ANY president for that matter, to actually influence some real change in this current political/economical(they are the same thing) environment.
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This is basically what Obama is doing right now, are you paying attention to what the dudes doing?

It doesnt matter WHAT the president believes, thats my entire point. Corporations have taken over the government. What THEY say goes.

Again, I dont doubt ron paul is a good guy and has good intentions, its simply a matter of the system in place is going to stifle those good intentions. Corporations have more say than the president in policies and lawmaking these days. We need a new system.

All I want to know is how anyone expects RP, or ANY president for that matter, to actually influence some real change in this current political/economical(they are the same thing) environment.
Maybe we can just hope that one sticks to his actual beliefs until he gets offed. That's when you'll know he wasn't willing to cave. obomba just didn't have the gonads to get offed or he was bullshitting everyone from the start. I believe Ron Paul would get offed.
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After Kennedy they got wise and started pre-screening their candidates. This is why Ron Paul has 'no chance'.
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NDAA just passed.
Now we're all Jose Padilla. Legally.
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I just hope the apathy can translate into a willingness to fight once shit hits the fan.

I'm a dreamer.
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laws like this used to happen in places like east germany
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“This is a giant step – this should be the biggest news going right now – literally legalizing martial law.”
more like a slow moving trainwreck.

You see it happening, but there's fuck all you can do about it.

Homeland security was the key that unlocked pandora's box.

Straight out of the Adolf Hitler playbook, yet the wealthy contributers did nothing to sway it's happening.
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and bush, most likely stalin and hitler too.

tho I think ghandi might object, and mlk jr.

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It doesnt matter WHAT the president believes, thats my entire point. Corporations have taken over the government. What THEY say goes.

Again, I dont doubt ron paul is a good guy and has good intentions, its simply a matter of the system in place is going to stifle those good intentions. Corporations have more say than the president in policies and lawmaking these days.
Pretty much.

And Omaba's attempts to make the necessary changes, just weren't realistic...neither are Paul's.
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"The basic error of these sections is that they move in the direction of suppressing opinion and belief. This would be a very dangerous course to take, not because we have any sympathy for communist opinions, but because any governmental stifling of the free expression of opinion is a long step toward totalitarianism."

"Not only are the registration provisions of this bill unworkable and dangerous, they are also grossly misleading in that all but one of the objectives which are claimed for them are already being accomplished by other and superior methods–and the one objective which is not now being accomplished would not in fact be accomplished under this bill either."

"I do not undertake lightly the responsibility of differing with the majority in both Houses of Congress who have voted for this bill. We are all Americans; we all wish to safeguard and preserve our constitutional liberties against internal and external enemies. But I cannot approve this legislation, which instead of accomplishing its avowed purpose would actually interfere with our liberties and help the communists against whom the bill was aimed."

"In a free country, we punish men for the crimes they commit, but never for the opinions they have. And the reason this is so fundamental to freedom is not, as many suppose, that it protects the few unorthodox from suppression by the majority. To permit freedom of expression is primarily for the benefit of the majority, because it protects criticism, and criticism leads to progress."

"The course proposed by this bill would delight the communists, for it would make a mockery of the Bill of Rights and of our claims to stand for freedom in the world."

"This is a time when we must marshal all our resources and all the moral strength of our free system in self-defense against the threat of communist aggression. We will fail in this, and we will destroy all that we seek to preserve, if we sacrifice the liberties of our citizens in a misguided attempt to achieve national security."
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