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Old 01-26-2012, 02:04 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Roach I really respect you, but how do justify stealing by saying, well I do legally purchase some stuff.
Not trying to "justify" anything.

Just stating the hard cold facts of life on the net.

I didn't say I pay for some stuff, I said about half of what I have was bought and paid for.

You don't like me stealing overpriced shit, come up with a new way to protect it...

so I can come up with new ways to circumvent it.

The game must evolve.
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:53 PM   #62 (permalink)
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You are still using a product, and not paying for it. Are you trying to say that because its a copy its not worth the same? If you got the box, original CD, instructions etc, then that would be wrong/stealing?
I think piracy is more a result of the entertainment industry failing to evolve. If they actually had reasonable prices, good service, easy access, and didn't try to bleed you dry just because they can I bet there would be a lot less piracy. This point seems to be proven by recent instances of artists releasing material to the public via direct download with an option to give money and having a lot of people agree to pay them something even when they aren't forced to.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:34 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I used to get the best applications from usenet newsgroups, but now it's all torrents.

and a few hacker sites for keygens and cracks/patches.

MungaBunga retired, and Lord Ikor works for the feds.

Cult of The Dead Cow disbanded.

Tho info on all probably lives on through the net.



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I'm referring to the creators of the brute force password hacker, ...not some lame band...
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:17 AM   #65 (permalink)
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This point seems to be proven by recent instances of artists releasing material to the public via direct download with an option to give money and having a lot of people agree to pay them something even when they aren't forced to.
I completely agree with this. The Louis CK download for $5 is a perfect example of this, but it should be up to the artist to decide if they want to give something away for free.
And the idea that companies need to improve their security is insane. So my next door neighbor gets a new TV, and he is a huge rich douche bag, I do not believe he deserve his new TV. He has a shitty security system, do I have the right to go take his TV?
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:22 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Last week, 3 million of us beat back America's attack on our Internet! -- but there is an even bigger threat out there, and our global movement for freedom online is perfectly poised to kill it for good.

ACTA -- a global treaty -- could allow corporations to censor the Internet. Negotiated in secret by a small number of rich countries and corporate powers, it would set up a shadowy new anti-counterfeiting body to allow private interests to police everything that we do online and impose massive penalties -- even prison sentences -- against people they say have harmed their business.

Europe is deciding right now whether to sign ACTA -- and without them, this global attack on Internet freedom will collapse. We know they have opposed ACTA before, but some members of Parliament are wavering -- let's give them the push they need to reject the treaty. Sign the petition -- we'll do a spectacular delivery in Brussels when we reach 500,000 signatures:

Avaaz - Stop the biggest threat to Internet freedom

It's outrageous -- governments of four-fifths of the world’s people were excluded from the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) negotiations and unelected bureaucrats have worked closely with corporate lobbyists to craft new rules and a dangerously powerful enforcement regime. ACTA would initially cover the US, EU and 9 other countries, then be rolled out across the world. But if we can get the EU to say no now, the treaty will lose momentum and could stall for good.

The oppressively strict regulations could mean people everywhere are punished for simple acts such as sharing a newspaper article or uploading a video of a party where copyrighted music is played. Sold as a trade agreement to protect copyrights, ACTA could also ban lifesaving generic drugs and threaten local farmers' access to the seeds they need. And, amazingly, the ACTA committee will have carte blanche to change its own rules and sanctions with no democratic scrutiny.

Big corporate interests are pushing hard for this, but the EU Parliament stands in the way. Let's send a loud call to Parliamentarians to face down the lobbies and stand firm for Internet freedom. Sign now and send to everyone you know:

Avaaz - Stop the biggest threat to Internet freedom

Last week, we saw the strength of our collective power when millions of us joined forces to stop the US from passing an Internet censorship law that would have struck at the heart of the Internet. We also showed the world how powerful our voices can be. Let's raise them again to tackle this new threat.


More information:

If You Thought SOPA Was Bad, Just Wait Until You Meet ACTA
If You Thought SOPA Was Bad, Just Wait Until You Meet ACTA - Forbes

ACTA vs. SOPA: Five Reasons ACTA is Scarier Threat to Internet Freedom
ACTA vs. SOPA: Five Reasons ACTA is Scarier Threat to Internet Freedom - International Business Times

What's Wrong With ACTA
What's Wrong with ACTA Week | EDRI

The secret treaty: Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) and Its Impact on Access to Medicines
http://www.msfaccess.org/content/sec...nt-acta-and-it
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ACTA may be scarier than SOPA, Internet freedom advocates say, and outrage over the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement treaty is growing as it gains international prominence in the wake of the U.S. Congress shelving the Stop Online Piracy Act last week.

Both the ACTA treaty and the SOPA bill are ostensibly aimed at limiting counterfeiting and piracy, but opponents argue that they would have the adverse effects of limiting Internet freedom, quashing innovation and possibly even censoring the Internet.

Google, Wikipedia, Reddit and other websites staged a successful SOPA blackout on Jan. 18, bringing the web together in opposition to the bill, and causing the Congress to have to go back to the drawing board on an anti-piracy bill.

And now ACTA opponents, from the Electronic Frontier Foundation to the Anonymous hacktivist collective are colaescing in opposition to the treaty as well.

Despite these key similarities, the ACTA vs. SOPA debate usually ends up with opponents ruling that ACTA is scarier in terms of what its worldwide impacts would be. Here are five of these reasons why these opponents believe ACTA is the greater threat to the Internet as we know it:

1. Scope: The key reason why ACTA is scarier to many Internet freedom advocates is the fact that it is an international treaty. SOPA was a bill before the U.S. Congress, and though it would have had some worldwide implications as it was aimed at stopping web piracy at overseas sites like Sweden's Pirate Bay torrent site.

ACTA, meanwhile, would set up an international legal framework to deal with issues of counterfeiting, piracy and other crimes. Instead of dealing with individual nation's laws regarding these issues, if ACTA is passed, countries would be able to adjudicate these crimes in a new governing body that would exist outside of the purview of the United Nations and other international institutions.

This opens up the possibility for ACTA to be used to crack down on Internet activity worldwide by a coordinated authority that rests outside of any country. SOPA, meanwhile, would have been enforced by existing American agencies, and would have been subject to legal scrutiny and constitutional challenges within the U.S. judiciary system.

2. Transparency: The SOPA debate took place mostly outside of the public eye at first, but because it was taking place in the halls of the U.S. Congress, Internet freedom advocates were able to monitor the proceedings, view draft bills and related materials and monitor the proceedings.

But the ACTA treaty is being negotiated almost entirely behind closed doors. If it were not for the advent of WikiLeaks, which released documents revealing details of the negotiations and draft versions of the treaty, the world community would still have very little knowledge of what exactly the treaty might entail.

This opens up major concerns for people who would like to ensure that the treaty does not infringe on people's rights or limit internet freedom in ways that would be detrimental to the web's status as a place where information flows freely.

3. Ease of Approval: The SOPA bill was derailed because it required both houses of the U.S. Congress to pass it, and for President Barack Obama to sign it. Once approved, it would have been subject to challenge and could have been changed by future congresses.

ACTA, on the other hand, was already signed by the United States on Oct. 11, 2011, and Obama was not required to get the approval of any outside authority to do so: not the Congress, not the Supreme Court, and not the American public.

Now that it has been signed, the legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. government also have little ability to challenge or amend the treaty, and Americans would be subject to a whole new scheme of laws, restrictions and regulations that could have them facing fines or jail through a process that would likely exist entirely outside the scope of the American justice system.

4. Level of Support: Even before the efforts of opponents brought down the controversial legislation, SOPA had only 31 co-sponsors in Congress, meaning it was never a wildly-popular bill to begin with. Despite the loud cries that SOPA was threatening the Internet as we know it and that Congress was about to pass it, it was never really that close to being made into law.

ACTA, on the other had, is an international treaty, meaning that it requires unilateral signatures, not votes based at least in part on public opinion. And the Obama administration already signed the treaty for America on Oct. 11, 2011. Critics, including Democratic U.S. Senator, Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, have questioned the constitutionality of Obama being allowed to sign an international treaty of this sort without gaining approval from the U.S. Congress, but America remains a full signatory to this day.

And the United States is not alone in having signed on to ACTA: During the same Oct. 11 signing ceremony in Tokyo, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea also signed the treaty, while the European Union, Mexico, and Switzerland have said they plan to do so in the near future. This means many of the world's largest nations not only support the treaty, they have gone so far as to have already signed it.

The G8 has also come out with a statement in support of the ACTA treaty, offering the following remarks on the topic in a July 2008 communique: "We encourage the acceleration of negotiations to establish a new international legal framework, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), and seek to complete the negotiation by the end of this year."

5. Visibility: The campaign to stop SOPA began relatively early on in its development. By the time it was even able to go to mark-up in the House Judiciary Committee, opponents were already loudly making their opinions known to a large slice of the Internet-using public.

ACTA, on the other hand, is largely off most people's radars, though it has been under official negotiation for about five years. Efforts against it in the United States are modest at best, and the U.S. has already signed the bill anyway. But they do persist, as a petition on WhiteHouse.gov with more than 6,000 signatures is currently on file with the Obama administration, calling on it to "end ACTA and protect our right to Internet privacy."

But ACTA's visibility is rising in nations that have yet to sign the bill. Poland announced last week that it will sign the treaty on Jan. 26, drawing the ire of Polish groups opposed to the law, including representatives of the Anonymous collective. The opposition groups have threatened to stage a Web blackout that day similar to the SOPA blackout if the Polish government goes through with the signing. On Sunday the hacktivist collective shut down the Polish prime minister's Web site in order to demonstrate its opposition to ACTA, Poland's TheeNews.pl reported.

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Now you did it.

That was copyrighted

This ACTA would of coarse include YaHooka.
, along with your home pc.

And would require special software to search and wipe from the server any copyrighted (or possible future copyrighted material) from the site to be legal. (including links).
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US Senator Questions Constitutionality Of ACTA
Published on 12 October 2011 @ 7:10 pm


The Obama administration’s recent signing of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement may face a US constitutional challenge as a member of the US Senate today called into question the administration’s power to negotiate and enter into such a trade agreement without Congress’s approval.

Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat often out front on technology issues, sent a 12 October letter addressed to President Obama taking issue the US Trade Representative (USTR)’s assertions that the ACTA is a “sole executive agreement” which can be entered into and implemented without the legislative branch’s involvement. USTR, which is part of the White House, has repeatedly said the agreement does not require changes to US law.

“[T]he executive branch lacks constitutional authority to enter into binding international agreements on matters under Congress’s plenary powers, including the Article I powers to regulate foreign commerce and protect intellectual property,” the letter states. “Yet, through ACTA and without your clarification, the USTR looks to be claiming the authority to do just that.”

Wyden demanded that the administration either declare that ACTA does not create any international obligations for the US and therefore is “non-binding,” or provide a legal rationale to the Congress and the public as to why ACTA should not be considered by Congress.

A number of law professors have doubts about the legality of the ACTA. A constitutional challenge can be launched if a member of Congress contests the agreement, according to sources.

US Senator Questions Constitutionality Of ACTA | Intellectual Property Watch
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:13 AM   #72 (permalink)
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I'd call for a week long blackout of all sites in protest.

willingly or not.

(It's not impossible to imagine a forced shut down of google, yahoo, and bing all at the same time.) as an example.

In my opinion, politicians are just asking for the worst kind of trouble. Much worse than just exchanging copies of I.P.("intelligent property")
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:18 AM   #73 (permalink)
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So my next door neighbor gets a new TV, and he is a huge rich douche bag, I do not believe he deserve his new TV. He has a shitty security system, do I have the right to go take his TV?
No. But what if you could use a computer to make an exact functioning replica of his television from a remote location without even setting foot on his property?
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The only problem would be if everyone could do that then no one would ever purchase a TV again, and what would happen to the TV industry?
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I have only dl a few movies but there all ones that I have paid for in the past and got home to find it didnt work right or was crap and most places around me dont do refunds for open movies/games.
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The only problem would be if everyone could do that then no one would ever purchase a TV again, and what would happen to the TV industry?
it would be thriving because every single person ever would own one

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which tv industry ?

the one that makes televisions, or the one that force feeds you commercials/charges exorbitant fees for "commercial free" programs. ?
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