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Grieves 04-06-2012 11:34 PM

I get what you are saying...

We do not need to re-invent the wheel...We have some pretty good, standing rules that people way wiser than we are came up with that are a great template...

What happens with forums/communities/etc, of this size is that people come to know each other, and when a tough choice like removing a member arises, people get emotional when they feel that people from "outside" the community come in and make decisions that impact the community, that will never change, from officers having to bust people in small towns down to mods having to remove trouble makers, its the whole "if its too hot in the kitchen than you shouldn't be chef routine", it is expected of people in power to be able to take the abuse when they make unpopular decisions...Those are strictly observations not emotions or feelings that I have, I am trying to keep myself as removed as possible...

So I guess the long and short of it is...Emotions flair, people say stuff in the heat that may be hurtful, but they shouldn't be cast out unless those emotions carry over into behavior that can be interpreted by more than one individual as dangerous to the community, themselves, others...

Jester4yall 04-06-2012 11:35 PM

are we talking in circles or is it the drugs?

Seriously we're all getting back to the "far point". Also the theme seems to be a better warning/back off/simmer down now system.

As far as the mods getting shitted on I think we should have a user nominated mod sit in. Somebody we as a group (talking 97% min.) trust to know there isn't personal grudges behind the curtain and we'll feel more involved. Plus know there isn't favoritism going on.

farmergiles 04-07-2012 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104658)
more questions.
Who decides what's "Too Far" and should penalties be set in stone such as 1 day first penalty, 2 days for 2nd and so on?
Should membership vote on some one being perma banned?
Should members be able to vote to have them un-banned?

IMO moderators must make the final decision regarding bans,

- Because they are the ones who have the responsibility to carry out any bans (like the driver of a car needs to take responsibility for driving the car)
- Because if bans were decided by members' votes then this would be a kangaroo court or a popularity contest.
- Because mods have access to more information about what goes on on the boards than regular members.

On the other hand if mods seem autocratic, partial and arbitrary then this will undermine confidence in the boards and drive people away.

These decisions are subjective and we rely on the judgement of mods to make them and keep things proportionate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir-Ex (Post 52104660)
Doesn't this website have an ignore feature?

If someone is harassing you, ignore them for a while.

Wouldn't that have solved this entire conundrum?

You can't put mods on ignore. Also mods certainly shouldn't use the ignore feature either or they aren't doing their job.

But yes in most cases simply ignoring anyone who you find objectionable works wonders.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grieves (Post 52104656)
I honestly think that the only ban that should be considered is the Perma ban for spammers and repeat offenders and/or the year ban so a user has the opportunity to come back after a lengthy cool down period if they want...

I think a short ban may be constructive in some instances, say if two members were engaging in a pointless circular argument going on for 10 pages+ that was becoming increasingly personal and wrecking a thread- a day off might give some perspective and might not necessarily be seen as punitive- more like being told to go get some fresh air or smoke a phatty, listen to some tunes and chill the fuck out or something.

On the other hand a ban of month or more is a slap, especially for a regular poster who spends a lot of time here.

It's like if you were in your local bar and the proprietor told you to go home because you're too drunk or asks your friend to take you home- it's different from barring you for good...
On the other hand if you're starting a fight with a pool cue, the proprietor would be quite right to bar you from his premises forever.

I guess it's about proportion and perspective.

Qui-Bong Jinn 04-07-2012 03:53 AM

Fuck all this political shit, its the internet chill out guys.

Grieves 04-07-2012 03:57 AM

Kinda ironic coming from someone with "Jedi High Council" as their user title...

Qui-Bong Jinn 04-07-2012 03:58 AM

The Jedi High Council does not worry itself with such petty nonsense.

Grieves 04-07-2012 04:07 AM

You must be new...

mothernature 04-07-2012 04:23 AM

Forgiveness, where possible, is always the nicer choice, imo.

just sayin'

moketweed 04-07-2012 05:26 AM

My opinion, we are adults, we should not have to be told how to act, we all should be able to communicate without being offensive. Why do we need to do anything more offensive than light flaming? We all have rights, but they shouldn't include the right to be total dumb fucks who get our kicks from attempting to hurt each other with useless garbage talk. Like i said before, i missed the terry komp drama, so I have no opinion as far as that goes, but for the people that think its ok to be mean and rude because its the internet, I wonder why is that so important to you? Imo no one will miss people with that attitude if they leave...

Bondi Bad Dog 04-07-2012 06:11 AM

It's really very simple. In FFA anything goes except the following:

No threats of any nature.
No disrespect of members families of loved ones.
No repeats of the 'meatspin' incident.
Only tastefull dead baby jokes.


If you have a problem with personal abuse or extreme racsist of biggotted opinions then you shouldn't be in FFA.
Yahooka has at least 20 other sections for you all to be nice to eachother.

slunt 04-07-2012 07:01 AM

I disagree
FFA is not for a select group of the thick skinned. It is part of Yahooka and all are welcome. Obviously they should enter with a warning that this forum can be somewhat abrasive and politically incorrect but the racist things and the hatred induced name calling have no place here.
I do agree that family is off limits. They are not here to defend themselves and should not be brought into the discussions.
What was said to you about your kids was crossing the line and if an explanation had not come forth clarifying it was a stab at you, not your kids this would have meted out a stronger response.
Are there any tasteful dead baby jokes? I have a pre-morbid personality disturbance which allows me to find these jokes hilarious but I'm bright enough to understand that not everyone shares my sense of the funny and I respect that by not posting some things I find amusing.

The Rev 04-07-2012 07:01 AM

When I was a mod, I banned someone for the lulz...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/profiles/icons.../trollface.jpg

:bigjoint:

The Rev

Bondi Bad Dog 04-07-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104704)
I disagree
What was said to you about your kids was crossing the line and if an explanation had not come forth clarifying it was a stab at you, not your kids this would have meted out a stronger response.
.


wtf? the point is that you can't stab at people with their loved ones.
The line is I can call your momma fat and make jokes but I can't make jokes about her in a sexual reference.

You can call my kids dumb or ugly but you can't infer that they will be involved making gay porn with well endowed middle eastern gentlemen when they grow up.

The lines of good taste and minimum maturity do exist in FFA.

What 'response' at all was meted out?

the problem here is that stoneric is a 'favorite' of certain mods a because she is a chic and b because she sucks up to the admin.

Terry on the other hand took the piss out of the mods and got banned.

your a bunch of yahypocrites

Mikey 04-07-2012 08:15 AM

free tibet

moketweed 04-07-2012 08:21 AM

Why is anyone arguing in favor of acting like an ignorant douche bag, regardless of ffa or other forum. If you feel such a strong need to disrespect someone and defend your right to do so, you have serious mental issues you should be dealing with. I mean christ, did you get beat much as a child or what.... be as crude and crass as you need, there is no need to ever be hurtful, we are a family here, we all should act accordingly.

slunt 04-07-2012 08:25 AM

exactly ^^

Bondi Bad Dog 04-07-2012 08:34 AM

leave the dali lhama out of this, he's a real douche bag. (possibly a faggot as well).

moketweed 04-07-2012 08:48 AM

That was real intelligent... do yourself a favor, stop letting your 12 year old brother tell you what to type...

Dr. ShinDig 04-07-2012 08:53 AM

so we are giving opinions here to have them shot down one by one? I get it now, cool. Love the way this is headed. The Arthur theme song is coming to mind all of a sudden

slunt 04-07-2012 09:03 AM

It's supposed to be a discussion not a hate fest. It's a little hard to hold it on track but we're getting there.
I'm gone for the day, you folks play nice please.


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