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slunt 04-06-2012 04:29 PM

Banning or foregiveness?
 
Well it would appear our opinions are as varied as our membership. How about a little "CONSTRUCTIVE" feedback from the members on how things should be handled when things get ugly.
Remember that this board belongs to Testclear and having new members who stay means potential customers for the company that runs and gives us our FREE board. Also remember that all the Mods are volunteers who merely try to keep things running smoothly in the forums. Nobody wants to deal with anything that's a hassle but sometimes the guidelines force one of us to act to quell potential disruption.
So the question is...What is a good method for handling members who act up and go beyond common decency into downright hatefulness?
What are the consequences of their actions?
Should they be forgiven immediately or should some form of "Time out" be used to get folks to think about their actions.
The Mods are reluctant to enforce rules that are so whimsical.
What does the membership want?
Discuss....civilly please.

fenderbender 04-06-2012 04:33 PM

membership wants blowjobs

Qui-Bong Jinn 04-06-2012 04:36 PM

FREE TERRY

fenderbender 04-06-2012 04:37 PM

terry can be free if he gives out blowjobs.

simple as that id say

slunt 04-06-2012 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenderbender (Post 52104584)
membership wants blowjobs

You're first after me!:D

Dr. ShinDig 04-06-2012 04:39 PM

define hatefulness.. Because I havn't seen anything lately that could be classified as that.

farmergiles 04-06-2012 04:39 PM

IMO it depends entirely on what was posted.

Getting heated and somewhat personal in a discussion = week max or better perhaps = 24 hrs IMO.

Dr. ShinDig 04-06-2012 04:46 PM

define personal :D

farmergiles 04-06-2012 04:50 PM

I don't have to, there are dictionaries on line.

slunt 04-06-2012 04:58 PM

Anyone have any well thought out definitive reasons or suggestions.
You folks get irate when you aren't consulted about potential changes in policy or guidelines, but when asked to participate you reply with very little substance.
While your opinions are welcome, some suggestions would help also.
So far in 9 posts only FG's has participated helpfully.

Dr. ShinDig 04-06-2012 05:02 PM

I need clarification before I can contribute


look back to FFA in 2004 and that's what we want, I think.

farmergiles 04-06-2012 05:03 PM

So look at the past and complain?

04 led to 05 and so on. Make a change or whinge. Members do have a say in this.

Dr. ShinDig 04-06-2012 05:08 PM

I'm not saying let's go back in time, I'm saying give us the same freedom of back then.

For instance, a say in what? changes? no changes!!!! (in ffa)

Jester4yall 04-06-2012 05:13 PM

My thoughts are close to what was posted by Farmer. Little personal attacks should be 24-48hrs on first offense. Repetitive abuse from that member should result on harsher penalties. Stalking a member around for motives other than to insult and start drama 30 days

Blatant disregard for the rules and other members should result in a pm from All mods who discuss bannings on 1st offense. I say this because I think the multiple perspectives will help clear confusion and maybe change the way one posts in the future.




More come on yahooka talk this over like adults. Youve got the mods attention with your fuvk komp post, now lets be civil since they are allowing us to discuss this. They didn't have to you know.



More to come after diner

farmergiles 04-06-2012 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanton Peedman (Post 52104603)
I'm not saying let's go back in time, I'm saying give us the same freedom of back then.

For instance, a say in what? changes? no changes!!!! (in ffa)

So FFA is a little padded cell where it is safe for the inmates to freak out?

stoneric 04-06-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmergiles (Post 52104592)
IMO it depends entirely on what was posted.

Getting heated and somewhat personal in a discussion = week max or better perhaps = 24 hrs IMO.

Using those guidelines would mean that Terry shouldn't have to do a month. I know I'm not contributing any solutions to the overall problem but it seems this all stems from Terry's ban. And whatever is allowed between members should be allowed between Mod's and members. What Terry said to Komp wouldn't have gotten him banned if he would have said the same thing to a non-mod.

farmergiles 04-06-2012 05:25 PM

They aren't guidelines, just my opinion.

But yes I agree (with my own opinion :bg:).

ionlylooklazy 04-06-2012 05:45 PM

Personally, I don't think Terry's ban should be upheld -- it should be extended. Time and time again, I have come to lurk and constantly have to put up with Terry's shit-posting. It's time that we as a community use this as a moment of reflection to define a common operating boundary where civilized discourse is the norm, rather than the exception. Terry needs to be made an example of.

DubStyle311 04-06-2012 06:12 PM

Who the hell is slunt?

DubStyle311 04-06-2012 06:13 PM

Oh and what did terry do?

slunt 04-06-2012 07:05 PM

This isn't a thread about Terry
. It is to gather opinions and ideas so that things run a little smoother around here when our members occasionally run amok, Mod or member.

The Rev 04-06-2012 07:13 PM

LOL. Slunt wants maturity.

:lol:

The Rev

slunt 04-06-2012 07:48 PM

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one, but civility might be attainable.

It's A Way Of Life420 04-06-2012 07:55 PM

This is the Internet, the fact that we aren't looking each other face to face makes it all the easier to talk shit. But this also validates the shit talking to a degree, the question is do we share our feelings and trust that we are safe in doing so or keep everything bottled up. The vibe has changed on this forum from the past, before it was flame or be flamed now we have threads dedicated to complimenting each other. I say we all get along and if someone is constantly trolling another they be banned for two dayS, enough time to cool off and make up

turmaline 04-06-2012 08:09 PM

Looks around..nope..though t I was in Mellow Stoners section of the forums for a section...

Jimmynoob 04-06-2012 08:11 PM

thanx for being proactive and making this thread slunt. U may have seen my post in the "never forget" thread ware i pretty much explained my feelings in general and asked for this kind of discussion.

I will elaborate a bit though (ok a lot as it turns out). I am guessing its a odd situation being a mod because some people will agree with what u do and others wont so its one of those your never gonna be right type of things.

I dont think there is anything wrong with getting like a 24 hour ban or 48 hours type of thing if somebody is stepping over the line slightly but doing it multiple times just to be a provocateur. 24hrs is kinda like getting a slap on the wrist.

I think in a lot of cases just a mod sending somebody who is being dickish a pm saying "hey your being a dick dude" and explaining why u feel that way is sufficient. People just want to get a good explanation from the mods and instead of they themselves just strait up PMing a mod or making a single thread on the subject they troll or flame for a bit. Its a two way street, good communication on both the mods end and our own is the key.

Like in Terrys case i think a PM would have been good..and if that dint work *i assumed thats what prob happened* then a 24 hour ban or a few days would have done the trick.------------

ok, on to the stuff that really matters the month or longer bans. A lot of us have been on these boards for a long ass time and during that time we have gotten to know a lot of secrets, fears, vices and trauma. The people who just say the absolute worst thing they can possibly think of just out of spite because they cant actually argue their own point or just have very small minds could possibly get a month or longer ban.

for example sometime early this winter i had a long time poster tell me that they hope my kid gets paralyzed like i was. Also at one point in time my daughter and wife were hit by a drunk driver and both almost died and i had a thread asking for help and i had somebody say "thats what u get for doing Heroin". Their is just no reason to say such things. They should get hit by a drunk driver...because i was a junkie at the time? shit man..

Another thing is when u know somebody has just in the last couple months or so just gotten over a addiction or that they are still working on getting over it and somebody will just throw that in their face which could honestly lead them to start using again. Like those kind of comments may have real world consequences. I think you have to take into consideration their history as a poster as well because if they have a history of saying shit like that..odds are they are gonna keep doing it and it is just so mean spirited that they could honestly use a good couple months ban.

Luckily shit like that doesnt happen that often and it really is only a few true assholes who say shit like that here. Overall i would say other than the minor terry issue yahooka has been getting a long pretty well.


Perma ban for anybody who rats out a grow or anything of that nature obviously.


sorry for writing a book...i prob dint explain things all that well either but will gladly answer any questions

Jester4yall 04-06-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my_scatterheart (Post 52104629)
Or just dismiss what I have to say because it's not what you want to hear.

I know this was aimed @ slunt but what are you ideas as far as intervention?
I think I like where you're going

turmaline 04-06-2012 08:17 PM

See that shit is uncalled for. in JC's case..whoever said that about your fam. I wanna know who said it? pm me its worth a banning.;)

Jester4yall 04-06-2012 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmycube (Post 52104633)
thanx for being proactive and making this thread slunt. U may have seen my post in the "never forget" thread ware i pretty much explained my feelings in general and asked for this kind of discussion.

I will elaborate a bit though (ok a lot as it turns out). I am guessing its a odd situation being a mod because some people will agree with what u do and others wont so its one of those your never gonna be right type of things.

I dont think there is anything wrong with getting like a 24 hour ban or 48 hours type of thing if somebody is stepping over the line slightly but doing it multiple times just to be a provocateur. 24hrs is kinda like getting a slap on the wrist.

I think in a lot of cases just a mod sending somebody who is being dickish a pm saying "hey your being a dick dude" and explaining why u feel that way is sufficient. People just want to get a good explanation from the mods and instead of they themselves just strait up PMing a mod or making a single thread on the subject they troll or flame for a bit. Its a two way street, good communication on both the mods end and our own is the key.

Like in Terrys case i think a PM would have been good..and if that dint work *i assumed thats what prob happened* then a 24 hour ban or a few days would have done the trick.------------

ok, on to the stuff that really matters the month or longer bans. A lot of us have been on these boards for a long ass time and during that time we have gotten to know a lot of secrets, fears, vices and trauma. The people who just say the absolute worst thing they can possibly think of just out of spite because they cant actually argue their own point or just have very small minds could possibly get a month or longer ban.

for example sometime early this winter i had a long time poster tell me that they hope my kid gets paralyzed like i was. Also at one point in time my daughter and wife were hit by a drunk driver and both almost died and i had a thread asking for help and i had somebody say "thats what u get for doing Heroin". Their is just no reason to say such things. They should get hit by a drunk driver...because i was a junkie at the time? shit man..

Another thing is when u know somebody has just in the last couple months or so just gotten over a addiction or that they are still working on getting over it and somebody will just throw that in their face which could honestly lead them to start using again. Like those kind of comments may have real world consequences. I think you have to take into consideration their history as a poster as well because if they have a history of saying shit like that..odds are they are gonna keep doing it and it is just so mean spirited that they could honestly use a good couple months ban.

Luckily shit like that doesnt happen that often and it really is only a few true assholes who say shit like that here. Overall i would say other than the minor terry issue yahooka has been getting a long pretty well.


Perma ban for anybody who rats out a grow or anything of that nature obviously.


sorry for writing a book...i prob dint explain things all that well either but will gladly answer any questions




this

Dr. ShinDig 04-06-2012 08:33 PM

Is it personal attacks or people just taking some funny BS on the internet a little too personally? I'd hate to see this place turn into vag city, I mean grass city.

This place gained it's popularity through the allure of being able to have conversations, but also throw some insults out there, not having to worry about holding back.

Jester4yall 04-06-2012 08:37 PM

I think it goes by the situation there


like mention by giles it would depend on the case I imagine

slunt 04-06-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my_scatterheart (Post 52104629)
Or just dismiss what I have to say because it's not what you want to hear.

Wasn't talking to you. I was replying to the comment before you. Your suggestion is the type of feedback being sought after. Sorry if there was some confusion created.

Jester4yall 04-06-2012 09:58 PM

it was kinda funny tho... just saying :D


what are your thought slunt?

slunt 04-06-2012 10:08 PM

There are some members here who give me the impression that because things have gone a certain way before that they should continue that way forever.
Sometimes evolution happens and what was normal before is no longer considered justified now.
I'm sure Sage's wife would have a term for people who put others down to make themselves feel better.
Blacks were slaves, women couldn't vote, people used to smoke on elevators, but times have changed and for the better in most peoples opinions.
I don't believe anyone wants to change FFA's style or Yahooka's personality such as it is but a line is being drawn calling out the persistent problem makers to mellow out and tone it down somewhat.
The membership is starting to unite in their in their wish for civility and respect on the boards, especially outside of FFA.
So again I ask, What should be done? What path should Yahooka follow if any?

Sir-Ex 04-06-2012 10:38 PM

I think it's a really good thing that black people can vote and women can have jobs and people can't smoke in enclosed public areas and that there are firefighters and farmers and people that try to help make the world better and I have no idea what happened between terry and komp but they are both probably at fault for whatever but I don't anyone here gives a fuck what happened between them so I dunno why we are all deprived of both of them.

We are civil. I'm not coming to your houses I promise I won't find out where they are later. So we're civil ok?

Grieves 04-06-2012 10:43 PM

The only question you need to ask...

Is this an offense bad enough to remove this person from the community...

If yes..Ban

If no...PM, Stern warning, public ridicule, etc...

I honestly think that the only ban that should be considered is the Perma ban for spammers and repeat offenders and/or the year ban so a user has the opportunity to come back after a lengthy cool down period if they want...

We need members, we need traffic, we need people hanging out, banning sends the opposite message, especially when it is someone who has been here for close to 10 years...

Banning for timeouts is asinine and doesn't do anything to curb the behavior...Just look at HP and his alt army for evidence, the banning(s) just amplified the negative behavior...

slunt 04-06-2012 10:52 PM

I am in agreement with most of what you say.
Those statements lead to more questions.
Who decides what's "Too Far" and should penalties be set in stone such as 1 day first penalty, 2 days for 2nd and so on?
Should membership vote on some one being perma banned?
Should members be able to vote to have them un-banned?

Sir-Ex 04-06-2012 10:54 PM

Doesn't this website have an ignore feature?

If someone is harassing you, ignore them for a while.



Wouldn't that have solved this entire conundrum?

Grieves 04-06-2012 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104658)
I am in agreement with most of what you say.
Those statements lead to more questions.
Who decides what's "Too Far" and should penalties be set in stone such as 1 day first penalty, 2 days for 2nd and so on?
Should membership vote on some one being perma banned?
Should members be able to vote to have them un-banned?

The counsel of mods should be enough talking heads to make fair enough decision(s)...

Membership should be able to have a hand in deciding when someone has "gone to far" but as for "voting someone off the island" the final decision should rest with the mods...

Members should be considered, but the final decision should always lay with those who have been chosen to take on that burden...

All of that shouldn't be taken as concrete either, like any situation it should be considered on a case by case basis, but with rules to use as the foundation to fall back on if mods/members can't reach an agreement...

slunt 04-06-2012 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grieves (Post 52104661)
The counsel of mods should be enough talking heads to make fair enough decision(s)...

Therein lies the rub. Notice that I am the only Mod available today. Shall I decide for everyone?

Membership should be able to have a hand in deciding when someone has "gone to far" but as for "voting someone off the island" the final decision should rest with the mods...

That's what happens now and there is a major shit storm whenever someone is banned.

Members should be considered, but the final decision should always lay with those who have been chosen to take on that burden...

All of that shouldn't be taken as concrete either, like any situation it should be considered on a case by case basis, but with rules to use as the foundation to fall back on if mods/members can't reach an agreement...

These are some of the guidelines or rules we are asking about. What exactly should the rules be and if one of our nominated Mods enforces those parameters will they be collectively shit on?

Grieves 04-06-2012 11:34 PM

I get what you are saying...

We do not need to re-invent the wheel...We have some pretty good, standing rules that people way wiser than we are came up with that are a great template...

What happens with forums/communities/etc, of this size is that people come to know each other, and when a tough choice like removing a member arises, people get emotional when they feel that people from "outside" the community come in and make decisions that impact the community, that will never change, from officers having to bust people in small towns down to mods having to remove trouble makers, its the whole "if its too hot in the kitchen than you shouldn't be chef routine", it is expected of people in power to be able to take the abuse when they make unpopular decisions...Those are strictly observations not emotions or feelings that I have, I am trying to keep myself as removed as possible...

So I guess the long and short of it is...Emotions flair, people say stuff in the heat that may be hurtful, but they shouldn't be cast out unless those emotions carry over into behavior that can be interpreted by more than one individual as dangerous to the community, themselves, others...

Jester4yall 04-06-2012 11:35 PM

are we talking in circles or is it the drugs?

Seriously we're all getting back to the "far point". Also the theme seems to be a better warning/back off/simmer down now system.

As far as the mods getting shitted on I think we should have a user nominated mod sit in. Somebody we as a group (talking 97% min.) trust to know there isn't personal grudges behind the curtain and we'll feel more involved. Plus know there isn't favoritism going on.

farmergiles 04-07-2012 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104658)
more questions.
Who decides what's "Too Far" and should penalties be set in stone such as 1 day first penalty, 2 days for 2nd and so on?
Should membership vote on some one being perma banned?
Should members be able to vote to have them un-banned?

IMO moderators must make the final decision regarding bans,

- Because they are the ones who have the responsibility to carry out any bans (like the driver of a car needs to take responsibility for driving the car)
- Because if bans were decided by members' votes then this would be a kangaroo court or a popularity contest.
- Because mods have access to more information about what goes on on the boards than regular members.

On the other hand if mods seem autocratic, partial and arbitrary then this will undermine confidence in the boards and drive people away.

These decisions are subjective and we rely on the judgement of mods to make them and keep things proportionate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir-Ex (Post 52104660)
Doesn't this website have an ignore feature?

If someone is harassing you, ignore them for a while.

Wouldn't that have solved this entire conundrum?

You can't put mods on ignore. Also mods certainly shouldn't use the ignore feature either or they aren't doing their job.

But yes in most cases simply ignoring anyone who you find objectionable works wonders.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grieves (Post 52104656)
I honestly think that the only ban that should be considered is the Perma ban for spammers and repeat offenders and/or the year ban so a user has the opportunity to come back after a lengthy cool down period if they want...

I think a short ban may be constructive in some instances, say if two members were engaging in a pointless circular argument going on for 10 pages+ that was becoming increasingly personal and wrecking a thread- a day off might give some perspective and might not necessarily be seen as punitive- more like being told to go get some fresh air or smoke a phatty, listen to some tunes and chill the fuck out or something.

On the other hand a ban of month or more is a slap, especially for a regular poster who spends a lot of time here.

It's like if you were in your local bar and the proprietor told you to go home because you're too drunk or asks your friend to take you home- it's different from barring you for good...
On the other hand if you're starting a fight with a pool cue, the proprietor would be quite right to bar you from his premises forever.

I guess it's about proportion and perspective.

Qui-Bong Jinn 04-07-2012 03:53 AM

Fuck all this political shit, its the internet chill out guys.

Grieves 04-07-2012 03:57 AM

Kinda ironic coming from someone with "Jedi High Council" as their user title...

Qui-Bong Jinn 04-07-2012 03:58 AM

The Jedi High Council does not worry itself with such petty nonsense.

Grieves 04-07-2012 04:07 AM

You must be new...

mothernature 04-07-2012 04:23 AM

Forgiveness, where possible, is always the nicer choice, imo.

just sayin'

moketweed 04-07-2012 05:26 AM

My opinion, we are adults, we should not have to be told how to act, we all should be able to communicate without being offensive. Why do we need to do anything more offensive than light flaming? We all have rights, but they shouldn't include the right to be total dumb fucks who get our kicks from attempting to hurt each other with useless garbage talk. Like i said before, i missed the terry komp drama, so I have no opinion as far as that goes, but for the people that think its ok to be mean and rude because its the internet, I wonder why is that so important to you? Imo no one will miss people with that attitude if they leave...

Bondi Bad Dog 04-07-2012 06:11 AM

It's really very simple. In FFA anything goes except the following:

No threats of any nature.
No disrespect of members families of loved ones.
No repeats of the 'meatspin' incident.
Only tastefull dead baby jokes.


If you have a problem with personal abuse or extreme racsist of biggotted opinions then you shouldn't be in FFA.
Yahooka has at least 20 other sections for you all to be nice to eachother.

slunt 04-07-2012 07:01 AM

I disagree
FFA is not for a select group of the thick skinned. It is part of Yahooka and all are welcome. Obviously they should enter with a warning that this forum can be somewhat abrasive and politically incorrect but the racist things and the hatred induced name calling have no place here.
I do agree that family is off limits. They are not here to defend themselves and should not be brought into the discussions.
What was said to you about your kids was crossing the line and if an explanation had not come forth clarifying it was a stab at you, not your kids this would have meted out a stronger response.
Are there any tasteful dead baby jokes? I have a pre-morbid personality disturbance which allows me to find these jokes hilarious but I'm bright enough to understand that not everyone shares my sense of the funny and I respect that by not posting some things I find amusing.

The Rev 04-07-2012 07:01 AM

When I was a mod, I banned someone for the lulz...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/profiles/icons.../trollface.jpg

:bigjoint:

The Rev

Bondi Bad Dog 04-07-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104704)
I disagree
What was said to you about your kids was crossing the line and if an explanation had not come forth clarifying it was a stab at you, not your kids this would have meted out a stronger response.
.


wtf? the point is that you can't stab at people with their loved ones.
The line is I can call your momma fat and make jokes but I can't make jokes about her in a sexual reference.

You can call my kids dumb or ugly but you can't infer that they will be involved making gay porn with well endowed middle eastern gentlemen when they grow up.

The lines of good taste and minimum maturity do exist in FFA.

What 'response' at all was meted out?

the problem here is that stoneric is a 'favorite' of certain mods a because she is a chic and b because she sucks up to the admin.

Terry on the other hand took the piss out of the mods and got banned.

your a bunch of yahypocrites

Mikey 04-07-2012 08:15 AM

free tibet

moketweed 04-07-2012 08:21 AM

Why is anyone arguing in favor of acting like an ignorant douche bag, regardless of ffa or other forum. If you feel such a strong need to disrespect someone and defend your right to do so, you have serious mental issues you should be dealing with. I mean christ, did you get beat much as a child or what.... be as crude and crass as you need, there is no need to ever be hurtful, we are a family here, we all should act accordingly.

slunt 04-07-2012 08:25 AM

exactly ^^

Bondi Bad Dog 04-07-2012 08:34 AM

leave the dali lhama out of this, he's a real douche bag. (possibly a faggot as well).

moketweed 04-07-2012 08:48 AM

That was real intelligent... do yourself a favor, stop letting your 12 year old brother tell you what to type...

Dr. ShinDig 04-07-2012 08:53 AM

so we are giving opinions here to have them shot down one by one? I get it now, cool. Love the way this is headed. The Arthur theme song is coming to mind all of a sudden

slunt 04-07-2012 09:03 AM

It's supposed to be a discussion not a hate fest. It's a little hard to hold it on track but we're getting there.
I'm gone for the day, you folks play nice please.

Sage Tree 04-07-2012 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104599)
Anyone have any well thought out definitive reasons or suggestions.
You folks get irate when you aren't consulted about potential changes in policy or guidelines, but when asked to participate you reply with very little substance.
While your opinions are welcome, some suggestions would help also.
So far in 9 posts only FG's has participated helpfully.

Lots of good replies in the thread folks... but seriously... it's a hard time for us now here I think and it's ALL our times to shine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanton Peedman (Post 52104601)
look back to FFA in 2004 and that's what we want, I think.

You have neural connections that tell your memory centers that this was a great time. IMO, if you were moderating at that time you'd wish we could all just move along and see that time for what it was. A board of mostly 14-15 yr olds. I bet you'd not survive in a board of 14-15 yr olds today man....

Just saying.... let's realized we've evolved and grown up a bit more than the 04-05 years.... No offense to what you want... but the first line is the only reasoning I can imagine that folks think those were great years. :confused:

(read on)

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmergiles (Post 52104606)
So FFA is a little padded cell where it is safe for the inmates to freak out?

Seriously I agree..... FFA isn't 'free' very much at all, it's the kind of island that people wish they could ship others off to... and this is what Budhead did in those 'illustrious' 04-05 years. :lol:

It's not Free for ALL at ALL.
And it's not called 'Anything goes' either.

To me that idea of Yahooka is REALLY fucking sad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester4yall (Post 52104604)
My thoughts are close to what was posted by Farmer. Little personal attacks should be 24-48hrs on first offense. Repetitive abuse from that member should result on harsher penalties. Stalking a member around for motives other than to insult and start drama 30 days

Blatant disregard for the rules and other members should result in a pm from All mods who discuss bannings on 1st offense. I say this because I think the multiple perspectives will help clear confusion and maybe change the way one posts in the future.




More come on yahooka talk this over like adults. Youve got the mods attention with your fuvk komp post, now lets be civil since they are allowing us to discuss this. They didn't have to you know.



More to come after diner

Jester... points man.

Many apologies for your rabble rousing getting under my skin today.
I'm glad you've said this stuff, and would love for to keep hearing from you in this conversation. Again.... this feels like a REALLY seriously time/issue for the Mods right now and perhaps I read some of your jokes wrongly.... but THIS is what I know you're capable of, so it's hard when you're a little punk sometimes :hug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmycube (Post 52104633)
thanx for being proactive and making this thread slunt. U may have seen my post in the "never forget" thread ware i pretty much explained my feelings in general and asked for this kind of discussion.

I will elaborate a bit though (ok a lot as it turns out). I am guessing its a odd situation being a mod because some people will agree with what u do and others wont so its one of those your never gonna be right type of things.

I dont think there is anything wrong with getting like a 24 hour ban or 48 hours type of thing if somebody is stepping over the line slightly but doing it multiple times just to be a provocateur. 24hrs is kinda like getting a slap on the wrist.

I think in a lot of cases just a mod sending somebody who is being dickish a pm saying "hey your being a dick dude" and explaining why u feel that way is sufficient. People just want to get a good explanation from the mods and instead of they themselves just strait up PMing a mod or making a single thread on the subject they troll or flame for a bit. Its a two way street, good communication on both the mods end and our own is the key.

Like in Terrys case i think a PM would have been good..and if that dint work *i assumed thats what prob happened* then a 24 hour ban or a few days would have done the trick.------------

ok, on to the stuff that really matters the month or longer bans. A lot of us have been on these boards for a long ass time and during that time we have gotten to know a lot of secrets, fears, vices and trauma. The people who just say the absolute worst thing they can possibly think of just out of spite because they cant actually argue their own point or just have very small minds could possibly get a month or longer ban.

for example sometime early this winter i had a long time poster tell me that they hope my kid gets paralyzed like i was. Also at one point in time my daughter and wife were hit by a drunk driver and both almost died and i had a thread asking for help and i had somebody say "thats what u get for doing Heroin". Their is just no reason to say such things. They should get hit by a drunk driver...because i was a junkie at the time? shit man..

Another thing is when u know somebody has just in the last couple months or so just gotten over a addiction or that they are still working on getting over it and somebody will just throw that in their face which could honestly lead them to start using again. Like those kind of comments may have real world consequences. I think you have to take into consideration their history as a poster as well because if they have a history of saying shit like that..odds are they are gonna keep doing it and it is just so mean spirited that they could honestly use a good couple months ban.

Luckily shit like that doesnt happen that often and it really is only a few true assholes who say shit like that here. Overall i would say other than the minor terry issue yahooka has been getting a long pretty well.


Perma ban for anybody who rats out a grow or anything of that nature obviously.


sorry for writing a book...i prob dint explain things all that well either but will gladly answer any questions

:clap:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester4yall (Post 52104638)
I think it goes by the situation there


like mention by giles it would depend on the case I imagine

Mods are pretty honest with each other about this....
One offense if a person's first is different than the same offense when it's the persons 100th offense.

Case to case is really how we roll and we try to be fair and balanced about the dolling out.

WE, All.... were NOT asked or consulted about Terry's ban.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104642)
There are some members here who give me the impression that because things have gone a certain way before that they should continue that way forever.
Sometimes evolution happens and what was normal before is no longer considered justified now.
I'm sure Sage's wife would have a term for people who put others down to make themselves feel better.
Blacks were slaves, women couldn't vote, people used to smoke on elevators, but times have changed and for the better in most peoples opinions.
I don't believe anyone wants to change FFA's style or Yahooka's personality such as it is but a line is being drawn calling out the persistent problem makers to mellow out and tone it down somewhat.
The membership is starting to unite in their in their wish for civility and respect on the boards, especially outside of FFA.
So again I ask, What should be done? What path should Yahooka follow if any?

DEAD FUCKING BRILLIANT! :clap:

Seriously... this is one reason we brought the colloquials section together.

Evolution of the people..... no one is a 'bad ass' as they imagined in 04-05 or 'back in the good old days'... we're all more mellow like it or not... let's show this :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grieves (Post 52104656)
The only question you need to ask...

Is this an offense bad enough to remove this person from the community...

If yes..Ban

If no...PM, Stern warning, public ridicule, etc...

I honestly think that the only ban that should be considered is the Perma ban for spammers and repeat offenders and/or the year ban so a user has the opportunity to come back after a lengthy cool down period if they want...

We need members, we need traffic, we need people hanging out, banning sends the opposite message, especially when it is someone who has been here for close to 10 years...

Banning for timeouts is asinine and doesn't do anything to curb the behavior...Just look at HP and his alt army for evidence, the banning(s) just amplified the negative behavior...

Grieves, if we ever get a board of member consultants I'd REALLY like you to be one dude. I love reading your posts on political matter here. :clap:


Quote:

Originally Posted by farmergiles (Post 52104683)
IMO moderators must make the final decision regarding bans,

- Because they are the ones who have the responsibility to carry out any bans (like the driver of a car needs to take responsibility for driving the car)
- Because if bans were decided by members' votes then this would be a kangaroo court or a popularity contest.
- Because mods have access to more information about what goes on on the boards than regular members.

On the other hand if mods seem autocratic, partial and arbitrary then this will undermine confidence in the boards and drive people away.

These decisions are subjective and we rely on the judgement of mods to make them and keep things proportionate.



You can't put mods on ignore. Also mods certainly shouldn't use the ignore feature either or they aren't doing their job.

But yes in most cases simply ignoring anyone who you find objectionable works wonders.


I think a short ban may be constructive in some instances, say if two members were engaging in a pointless circular argument going on for 10 pages+ that was becoming increasingly personal and wrecking a thread- a day off might give some perspective and might not necessarily be seen as punitive- more like being told to go get some fresh air or smoke a phatty, listen to some tunes and chill the fuck out or something.

On the other hand a ban of month or more is a slap, especially for a regular poster who spends a lot of time here.

It's like if you were in your local bar and the proprietor told you to go home because you're too drunk or asks your friend to take you home- it's different from barring you for good...
On the other hand if you're starting a fight with a pool cue, the proprietor would be quite right to bar you from his premises forever.

I guess it's about proportion and perspective.

:clap:

Quote:

Originally Posted by my_scatterheart (Post 52104690)
Probably not in a manner that you would imagine Sage doing it.

You might be surprised at the way and means of the tone/message of my moderation PMs. You've never gotten a moderation message from me.

I've totally had to tell people to stop acting like children etc...
'Calling them out' and so forth.

:D

Really... you'd be shocked ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad dog (Post 52104710)
wtf? the point is that you can't stab at people with their loved ones.
The line is I can call your momma fat and make jokes but I can't make jokes about her in a sexual reference.

You can call my kids dumb or ugly but you can't infer that they will be involved making gay porn with well endowed middle eastern gentlemen when they grow up.

The lines of good taste and minimum maturity do exist in FFA.

What 'response' at all was meted out?

the problem here is that stoneric is a 'favorite' of certain mods a because she is a chic and b because she sucks up to the admin.

Terry on the other hand took the piss out of the mods and got banned.

your a bunch of yahypocrites

(Read response below)

Quote:

Originally Posted by moketweed (Post 52104715)
Why is anyone arguing in favor of acting like an ignorant douche bag, regardless of ffa or other forum. If you feel such a strong need to disrespect someone and defend your right to do so, you have serious mental issues you should be dealing with. I mean christ, did you get beat much as a child or what.... be as crude and crass as you need, there is no need to ever be hurtful, we are a family here, we all should act accordingly.

My fucking hero! Seriously.

Life isn't that hard BD.... consider this dude's reply heartily.






Folks.... thanks for the replies and lets keep this bettering talk alive

Jester4yall 04-07-2012 10:30 AM

wtf is this?

just come out and say you made a shit judgement on me

fenderbender 04-07-2012 12:03 PM

i shoulda pulled outa your mom. sry jester

shit judgment

shai_hulud 04-07-2012 12:06 PM

In my opinion, mods should ban as they see fit. Yes, people will complain and call you Nazi's but grow thicker skin and deal with the petty name calling. I also feel that anyone with a join date of 2003 should be immune from all bannings.

best regards,

shai

shai_hulud 04-07-2012 12:09 PM

PS i just read kangaroo court and i think we need a kangaroo court.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...3X_B3oa3AW-tKM

fenderbender 04-07-2012 12:13 PM

i wonder what terry thinks about all this? lol


Edit: prob doesnt give a shit cause too cool :cool:

shai_hulud 04-07-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moketweed (Post 52104695)
My opinion, we are adults, we should not have to be told how to act, we all should be able to communicate without being offensive. Why do we need to do anything more offensive than light flaming? We all have rights, but they shouldn't include the right to be total dumb fucks who get our kicks from attempting to hurt each other with useless garbage talk. Like i said before, i missed the terry komp drama, so I have no opinion as far as that goes, but for the people that think its ok to be mean and rude because its the internet, I wonder why is that so important to you? Imo no one will miss people with that attitude if they leave...

SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. YOU. GODDAMN. NOOB.

fenderbender 04-07-2012 12:16 PM

i hope that since he has now been free from his yahookan shackles for a good few days now he's off partying and sticking his penis into sexy young girls n stuff


this banning probably finally allowed terry to get up the motivation to lose his virginity.
Blessing in disguise.

good for you terry

Sir-Ex 04-07-2012 12:18 PM

lol Terry's never gonna lose his virginity he's like beavis

K10 04-07-2012 12:42 PM

You guys are so emotional some times.


Free Mumia and terry. The black man has been under the boot heel of the white devils for too long.

mothernature 04-07-2012 02:22 PM

Terry's just fine. He's eating a potato, drinking Chocolate Milk. ;)

kamikazi89 04-07-2012 02:25 PM

if the powers that be wanted a more civil board, then one of them shoulda tried being more civil instead of going on drunken rampages

stoneric 04-07-2012 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad dog (Post 52104710)

You can call my kids dumb or ugly but you can't infer that they will be involved making gay porn with well endowed middle eastern gentlemen when they grow up.

the problem here is that stoneric is a 'favorite' of certain mods a because she is a chic and b because she sucks up to the admin.

Fuck this shit. You used your kids as props in your rant against "faggotry" and I responded. Leave your offspring out of your homophobic rants and no one will talk about them having at it with well hung Iranians WHEN THEY GROW UP.

How in the fuck could you imagine me being a chick? Or being a kiss ass? I don't even know what an "admin" is.

fenderbender 04-07-2012 04:20 PM

you do totally come off as a female stoneric, justsayinjustsayin



not that there is anything wrong with that... ;)

stoneric 04-07-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my_scatterheart (Post 52104779)
I really always thought you were a dude. A dude who's like my dad's age. I think. Maybs. :)

Probably older.

stoneric 04-07-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenderbender (Post 52104780)
you do totally come off as a female stoneric, justsayinjustsayin



not that there is anything wrong with that... ;)

I'd be a hypocrite if I had a problem with that.

notepadinparis 04-07-2012 08:27 PM

ban someone. slit wrists. repeat.

Sage Tree 04-07-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SageTree (Post 52104740)

Many apologies for your rabble rousing getting under my skin today.
I'm glad you've said this stuff, and would love for to keep hearing from you in this conversation. Again.... this feels like a REALLY seriously time/issue for the Mods right now and perhaps I read some of your jokes wrongly.... but THIS is what I know you're capable of, so it's hard when you're a little punk sometimes :hug:

Mods are pretty honest with each other about this....
One offense if a person's first is different than the same offense when it's the persons 100th offense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester4yall (Post 52104744)
wtf is this?

just come out and say you made a shit judgement on me

Jester, I reiterated this in the other thread where you asked if I was feeling like a butt.... and in that thread I did jump the gun and I explained so there.

But here man... I don't get it.... Firstly I said thanks and this is good stuff.... and then the second part was me asking your 'i imagine', which I took as a sort of question..... that is... I felt I was saying 'yes' you suspicious are right and adding a few more lines to explain....

I really don't get where the 'shit judgement' stuff comes into this thread at all man.

I don't feel bad for asking you to take a step back off the jokes because I wasn't getting them today, because I wasn't and don't always see things how they sound in a posters head, as, to me, it would seem you didn't 'hear' me just so here.

Perhaps my only true error or shit judgement was assuming I could just talk straight up in the other thread and VM...

So for that, I'm sorry I upset you with my frankness, but I figured you and I talked enough that'd you'd sense my mind for the day and that there wouldn't be a issue at all.

These are strange times here and I hope we can 'hear' each other a little more clearly.....

But for the quote of you above... I truly and honestly do not get what you thought I said wrong to you when I felt like I was trying to honour the good things you'd done, before you even called it to my attention, trying to make sure I had balance in my posts to you.... and then say 'you are pretty much right on about the case to case situation stuff'....

:confused:


So let's be Friends eh?

notepadinparis 04-07-2012 10:06 PM

yahooka is very srs bidness

notepadinparis 04-07-2012 10:08 PM

by that i mean its not.


lol @ the notion of banning

Sage Tree 04-07-2012 10:08 PM

sad trolling is sad.

notepadinparis 04-07-2012 10:16 PM

lol i dont even know whats going on here but banning is pretty lulzy.


also curry on food is bomb.

Sage Tree 04-07-2012 10:20 PM

Honestly man.... perma banning IS lame 100%
Unless it's spam.

90% of issues would be better dealt with in PM form more than once before anything else happens.

Banning for 24-48 hours should be 'normal' ban time.

Anything more than a week should REALLY have done something.

Talking and coaching folks does more than bannings.

Obvious problems are obvious.... and they are handled as such...

But even the HPs of Yahooka.... don't need a perma-ban imo.

Kids DO need some time to cool off from time to time, and no more than 48hrs is really needed for that at most.

Sir-Ex 04-07-2012 10:23 PM

hahha yahooka is a microcosm of the greater hootinanny

shai_hulud 04-07-2012 10:36 PM

yahooka is something.

Dr. ShinDig 04-07-2012 10:38 PM

Everything is something

shai_hulud 04-07-2012 10:45 PM

is this where i reply something is everything and just totally blow everyone's minds all over their face?

Bondi Bad Dog 04-07-2012 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneric (Post 52104772)
Fuck this shit. You used your kids as props in your rant against "faggotry" and I responded. Leave your offspring out of your homophobic rants and no one will talk about them having at it with well hung Iranians WHEN THEY GROW UP.

How in the fuck could you imagine me being a chick? Or being a kiss ass? I don't even know what an "admin" is.

well I guess it's your general faggotry demeanor that made me think you were dickless.

now I know that you are male, I shall have no trouble in tracking you down, ripping off your head and shitting down your throat.

In fact my mafia connections in the states are already tracking you down.

They have instructions to fuck all female members of your family in front of your eyes, kill every one you ever loved or liked and to dissmember any family pets, making you eat the entrails before castrating you with a pair of blunt, rust, gardennig clippers.

You will then be forced to consume your own dismembered testes, lightly fried in olive oil whilst 3 well hung iranians take turns in sodomizing you.


Have a nice day and think carefully before you speak badly about any one in my family.

Sage Tree 04-07-2012 11:13 PM

Bodhi.... that post is disgusting and uncalled for.
More crap on a shit heap isn't going to make it stink less.

I realize there are two sides here, but be advised.... people got shit canned for personal threats, like that, here in the past...
So if something was said to you, that resembles anything you typed.... let me know.


Please PM me and tell me your side of the story.....

and Ric.... PM me and tell me your side of the story.....

Include links if you can.

Something happened here and it's starting to bleed everywhere.


So let's work this out.... of knock it the hell off and let's more on.


See you in the Inbox boiz.

shai_hulud 04-07-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad dog (Post 52104830)
well I guess it's your general faggotry demeanor that made me think you were dickless.

now I know that you are male, I shall have no trouble in tracking you down, ripping off your head and shitting down your throat.

In fact my mafia connections in the states are already tracking you down.

They have instructions to fuck all female members of your family in front of your eyes, kill every one you ever loved or liked and to dissmember any family pets, making you eat the entrails before castrating you with a pair of blunt, rust, gardennig clippers.

You will then be forced to consume your own dismembered testes, lightly fried in olive oil whilst 3 well hung iranians take turns in sodomizing you.


Have a nice day and think carefully before you speak badly about any one in my family.

You stupid bitch; don't even act like you have any power at all, after all, your bitch owns you, and you've said as much. don't try to act big on the internet... get fucking real you dumb fuck. no wonder your wife doesn't fuck you.

Sage Tree 04-07-2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shai_hulud (Post 52104835)
You stupid..... etc.....

easy capt..... two people in this skirmish is enough to untangle....

:)


Or at least consider making your point with some less abrasive language. :D

shai_hulud 04-07-2012 11:34 PM

antagonistic shai is a bad shai and said shai needs a time out. but seriously, BD, just go die in a fire. like, all the fires.

Bondi Bad Dog 04-08-2012 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shai_hulud (Post 52104844)
antagonistic shai is a bad shai and said shai needs a time out. but seriously, BD, just go die in a fire. like, all the fires.

I guess that all you in the closet fags like stoneric r the ultimate yahooka bitches.

who wears the strap on first in your relationship?

fenderbender 04-08-2012 12:18 AM

you make yourself look bad and i lol

shai_hulud 04-08-2012 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad dog (Post 52104853)
I guess that all you in the closet fags like stoneric r the ultimate yahooka bitches.

who wears the strap on first in your relationship?

closet fags? who is the one not getting fucked by his wife. you. and how do you think it makes you look? like a small penis, unable to pleas.... no, no. dude. mister bad dog. let's not fight. you have issues like we all do and that makes us human. chill, and i mean, CHILL the fuck out, yeah? Chill out and be cool. Life is better this way.

Qui-Bong Jinn 04-08-2012 05:10 AM

This is cute.

Sage Tree 04-08-2012 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenderbender (Post 52104854)
you make yourself look bad and i lol

You're actually talking about more than just baddog here right?


;)

stoneric 04-08-2012 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad dog (Post 52104830)
well I guess it's your general faggotry demeanor that made me think you were dickless.

now I know that you are male, I shall have no trouble in tracking you down, ripping off your head and shitting down your throat.

In fact my mafia connections in the states are already tracking you down.

They have instructions to fuck all female members of your family in front of your eyes, kill every one you ever loved or liked and to dissmember any family pets, making you eat the entrails before castrating you with a pair of blunt, rust, gardennig clippers.

You will then be forced to consume your own dismembered testes, lightly fried in olive oil whilst 3 well hung iranians take turns in sodomizing you.


Have a nice day and think carefully before you speak badly about any one in my family.

Why don't you come track me down tough guy?

Can't you come up with something original? I already used "well hung Iranians".

And you must be thick. Trying to insult me by implying I'm gay is like calling me anti-gun after I say I believe in the 2nd ammendment.

Bondi Bad Dog 04-08-2012 06:47 AM

you know that you need to appologize so just fucking appologize.

you crossed the line and you won't back down.

you piked a fight with the wrong dog and I ain't gonna stop hounding you till drop to your knees and beg my forgiveness for your error in judgement.

it's your choice. However I think that the appology should come in it's own thread, titled something like

"sorry bad dog, I really fucked up by making sexual jokes about your children.etc etc"


I'm waiting asshole

stoneric 04-08-2012 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad dog (Post 52104880)
you know that you need to appologize so just fucking appologize.

you crossed the line and you won't back down.

you piked a fight with the wrong dog and I ain't gonna stop hounding you till drop to your knees and beg my forgiveness for your error in judgement.

it's your choice. However I think that the appology should come in it's own thread, titled something like

"sorry bad dog, I really fucked up by making sexual jokes about your children.etc etc"


I'm waiting asshole

Go fuck yourself. Close enough?

stoneric 04-08-2012 07:01 AM

bad dog: I made the post on 3-23 and 5 people thanked me. Why didn't you say anything at the time?

Mikey 04-08-2012 07:04 AM

i still stand by my opinion
http://www.deviantart.com/download/8...y_cascarin.jpg

slunt 04-08-2012 07:26 AM

Well I'm glad to see everyone's been playing nicely since I left. :rolleyes:
Since this is "My" thread asking a serious Yahooka issues question, I would like to encourage posters to it to stay on track. This is not a soapbox or shit throwing thread.
Future "Off Track" discussion may be deleted. Fair Warning.
Anyone who has other off topic things to add may, as always, start their own thread.
Happy Easter :)

Bondi Bad Dog 04-08-2012 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my_scatterheart (Post 52104882)
^^You could only be this upset because it's become apparent to you that your children are gay. Queer. As. Fuck.

I will refrain from retaliating and hope to see the mods ban you and stoneric at the same time.

Mods, at the end of the day I'm cool if we can open ffa up to sexual slander of family and loved ones. Just make sure that I won't be the only one getting a ban.

Mikey 04-08-2012 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52104890)
Well I'm glad to see everyone's been playing nicely since I left. :rolleyes:
Since this is "My" thread asking a serious Yahooka issues question, I would like to encourage posters to it to stay on track. This is not a soapbox or shit throwing thread.
Future "Off Track" discussion may be deleted. Fair Warning.
Anyone who has other off topic things to add may, as always, start their own thread.
Happy Easter :)

[eugh i dont want to get banned yahooka is a big part of my life so i'll just withdrawn my comment out of fear of persecution due to freedoom of speech, kind of like in china]

slunt 04-08-2012 08:09 AM

Who Bans "The Banners"?

Parallax 04-08-2012 11:36 AM

free for all should be free for all, with as little intervention as possible from the mods. if somebody gets butthurt thats their problem.

the lulz must flow

fenderbender 04-08-2012 12:18 PM

lol

notepadinparis 04-08-2012 04:57 PM

fuck you guys curry is bomb!

bomb son!

turmaline 04-08-2012 05:13 PM

Are we making fun of peoples kids?..i mean even i have lines i dont cross. older family members fine..kids are a no fly zone imo.
Lolo this place is OUT OF CoNTROL!!!

Grieves 04-08-2012 05:16 PM

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h2...lla/ackbar.gif

Jester4yall 04-08-2012 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=SageTree;52104 814]
Quote:

90% of issues would be better dealt with in PM form more than once before anything else happens.
:clap: yes I have been thinking about this. I should do this more. Maybe we should have an sponsor/adopt (thats what broncos nation (really a positive site that allows even raider&chargers fans to post. also shout out to Terry :) ) a yahookan. People who pm in others to make them aware of errors in judgment, possible misunderstandings, negative vibes from reading, or simply to say awesome post. Discuss maybe?

Qui-Bong Jinn 04-08-2012 05:40 PM

We shouldn't really need to go to that length Jester, we're all old enough to know what is appropriate to say and what isn't, if telling someone that they wish their kids get into gay porn with well hung Iranians is still the issue, then that is quite inappropriate, but also pretty funny.

Grieves 04-08-2012 05:43 PM

http://files.leagueathletics.com/Ima...6/PICT0004.JPG

Grieves 04-08-2012 05:46 PM

http://i.qkme.me/3op6l2.jpg

Jester4yall 04-08-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qui-Bong Jinn (Post 52105004)
We shouldn't really need to go to that length Jester, we're all old enough to know what is appropriate to say and what isn't, if telling someone that they wish their kids get into gay porn with well hung Iranians is still the issue, then that is quite inappropriate, but also pretty funny.

I'm talking in general not that particular case ;) Sorry if my first post was confusing

Sage Tree 04-09-2012 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester4yall (Post 52105002)
:clap: yes I have been thinking about this. I should do this more. Maybe we should have an sponsor/adopt (thats what broncos nation (really a positive site that allows even raider&chargers fans to post. also shout out to Terry :) ) a yahookan. People who pm in others to make them aware of errors in judgment, possible misunderstandings, negative vibes from reading, or simply to say awesome post. Discuss maybe?

There are two subs I'd like to create/bring back.

1. The banned forum, so banned people can talk with us about the issues they are facing and understanding better why this or that happened. Most people can be decent and talk about it, but members who are too rowdy for the banned forum might be sealing the deal even more ya know?

2. The Alt would be to just have a 'Talk to the Mods' room where members and banned members could talk to us in thread form, and the only people who could see the threads were the OP and the Mods, then there would only need to be one room for private feedback talk, and it's be safe and confidential.


You were talking about something like one/both of these?

Jester4yall 04-09-2012 10:29 AM

banned forum - I think that could be pretty helpful for the members who are getting banded often. Plus we won't have to see all the "wtf" threads. Cleans up junk from the boards so I'm down.

talk to the mods - I think that would go hand in hand with the feedback forum. I don't see the need for a forum that's secret. Unless it's for a member being harassed and then I still think all that would need is a pm.

You ideas would probably help with the mods inbox tho. I imagine they fill up pretty fast.

Sage Tree 04-09-2012 10:39 AM

I'm leaning to talking more about #2 since it provides some privacy/dignity for banned members who need coaching, others with issues concerning their moderation, as well as a place for people to hatch ideas before we bring them to the public feedback, or just to ask a question to us about this or that.

I don't want to get rid of the public feedback at all.
Just add a One or One forum to talk about and help people in trouble and out of trouble.


What I want to get away from is ME getting PM'd about (nearly every) things, as wel as other mods getting PM asking something, which they are responsible to pass on.

It'd be nice for a member to talk to ALL of us at once, and it keeps the load and personal responsibility down for the mods as well, since we DO work on consensus mid-as-well come to us all first time around ya know?

Jester4yall 04-09-2012 11:02 AM

[QUOTE]
Quote:

Originally Posted by SageTree (Post 52105231)
I'm leaning to talking more about #2 since it provides some privacy/dignity for banned members who need coaching, others with issues concerning their moderation, as well as a place for people to hatch ideas before we bring them to the public feedback, or just to ask a question to us about this or that.

Dignity for somebody who got banned? They obviously didn't use dignity (or the best judgement) before the ban why should they get it now? Not all bans should have happened I agree they need a place for their voice. Just curious and asking in case somebody else wonders also. Maybe I'm a bit confused


I'm with you on the rest.

Sage Tree 04-09-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester4yall (Post 52105246)
Dignity for somebody who got banned? They obviously didn't use dignity (or the best judgement) before the ban why should they get it now? Not all bans should have happened I agree they need a place for their voice. Just curious and asking in case somebody else wonders also. Maybe I'm a bit confused


I'm with you on the rest.

Dignity in the respect that tearing people down in public hardly works, imo.
And the only way to confront and overcome the non-dignified is kill them with kindness. 99% of the people KNOW they fucked up, they just need the right conditions to admit it and prove to us they are ready for re-entry.

Agreed on the not all bans comment, that's the 'gitmo-ism' I've talked about a little. Detains w/out rights that is.

Glad you asked, when more is on the table, there are more ways to access the info, so thanks.

slunt 06-08-2012 10:04 PM

Still some members in FFA that "Just Don't Get It!" although on the surface I'd say things are getting better for the most part.

Qui-Bong Jinn 06-08-2012 10:05 PM

FREE HARRY POTHEAD!!!

Jester4yall 06-08-2012 10:06 PM

Hp for ffa mod!

No bullshit this time

slunt 06-08-2012 10:12 PM

I haven't seen HP around for a few days now. Maybe he got a life?

shai_hulud 06-08-2012 10:13 PM

yeah, and what of you, slunt?!

slunt 06-08-2012 10:14 PM

What would you have of me?

shai_hulud 06-08-2012 10:36 PM

i would have you sitting next to me at a bar, exchanging drinks & stories of our past, with you dominating the night with your previous experiences offshore drilling(?) and such. can't remember if that's exactly what you did, but i remember you doing some insane shit.

Dr. ShinDig 06-08-2012 10:54 PM

ya I'm sure you'd love some "offshore drilling" from another dude at the bar

Jester4yall 06-08-2012 10:55 PM

Lol wut up sp?.Good to see you!

Terry 06-08-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SageTrees (Post 52104612)
Personally, I don't think Terry's ban should be upheld -- it should be extended. Time and time again, I have come to lurk and constantly have to put up with Terry's shit-posting. It's time that we as a community use this as a moment of reflection to define a common operating boundary where civilized discourse is the norm, rather than the exception. Terry needs to be made an example of.

I still don't know if you were serious or trolling with this post. I thought we were scifi buddies :(

ionlylooklazy 06-09-2012 01:13 AM

Terry, I am forever and always, your friend.

Grieves 06-09-2012 01:32 AM

whats up with the name brah, no red and an extra s

or am i that stoned...

Terry 06-09-2012 01:50 AM

I too am confused, I thought that was Lazy. I think we are being trolled yet again !

SixDonutsOnSale 06-09-2012 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by slunt (Post 52124959)
What would you have of me?

So......you should probably never ask ANYONE that question if you get a room at The Pokey.

Because you will for sure get the pokey.

:D

slunt 06-09-2012 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grieves (Post 52125017)
whats up with the name brah, no red and an extra s

or am i that stoned...

Different person, being cheeky, I believe the "REAL" Sage would like this persona banned for 1000 years.

slunt 06-09-2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shai_hulud (Post 52124981)
i would have you sitting next to me at a bar, exchanging drinks & stories of our past, with you dominating the night with your previous experiences offshore drilling(?) and such. can't remember if that's exactly what you did, but i remember you doing some insane shit.

Which crazy shit are you referring to...My oil rig flipping into the ocean during a storm while I was on it?, The multiple times a Polar bear stalked me as food?, My shark attack as a west coast fisherman?, or possibly the story of my co-workers nuts being eaten by the toilet seat. you'll have to be more specific as I've been around for a while

clive 06-09-2012 10:56 AM

lets have a list of all the banned members and we'll have a vote who we think should be allowed back

Sage Tree 06-09-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Grieves (Post 52125017)
whats up with the name brah, no red and an extra s

or am i that stoned...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry (Post 52125018)
I too am confused, I thought that was Lazy. I think we are being trolled yet again !

ionlylooklazy thought it'd be cute to ask for the name SageTrees...
I thought it'd be divine to give it to him,
He stepped it up a notch and add the avy and sig.


LoLz.... I give it a week before I regret it and have to eat my mistake.

:lol:


But I hope he's the one who flubs... cause then we can just have some silly drama instead of the real kind.


This is CLASS stupidity... it's not like I'm getting people's backs up about gays, women, guns, god or replublicanismz....


:lol:

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Originally Posted by clive (Post 52125111)
lets have a list of all the banned members and we'll have a vote who we think should be allowed back

Well... there IS a list of banned members at the bottom of the forums index page where it says "Admin Global Mods Mods Long Timers Regular Banned"

Check it out.


I've SERIOUSLY thought about bringing this up in the past a few times.

Jewish Pork as a long ago banned member who came back and was a decent addition to our talks.

Not ALL former banned names would do this well.

StateofKane/Dhmoly is one I'd like to merge/bring back since he's here anyways.

Meh.... I'll LISTEN to what is said, but am not sure it's really a good idea or not. :lol:

Maybe let them on Moderated posting for a while to see how they go with it or something?


The Real,
SageTree ;)


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