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Old 06-30-2012, 06:03 AM   #141 (permalink)
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What percentage stole the bait car prior?

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Old 06-30-2012, 06:44 AM   #142 (permalink)
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What percentage stole the bait car prior?

Over 50% of the people with priors had been arrested for car theft.
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Old 06-30-2012, 09:35 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Over 50% of the people with priors had been arrested for car theft.
That leaves a hefty percentage who hadn't been arrested for car theft. So who knows how many car thieves were produced because of the easiness of stealing a bait car. They should put some lexus, with the keys in it, in some gated community and see how many rich kids we can entice into being car thieves.
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Old 06-30-2012, 09:52 AM   #144 (permalink)
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That leaves a hefty percentage who hadn't been arrested for car theft. So who knows how many car thieves were produced because of the easiness of stealing a bait car. They should put some lexus, with the keys in it, in some gated community and see how many rich kids we can entice into being car thieves.
I'd bet my paycheck that the bait car would get stolen far less than in the neighborhood with statistical proof of high car theft.

Regardless of how easy it is to steal a car, it's still a crime!
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:35 AM   #145 (permalink)
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do you guys think that kids with good education, easy access to health care and high living standards would be less likely to steal a car?
and in the same breath say "why should I be responsible for them poor nigger's doctor bills?"
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before anyone asks, no I am not saying you deserve to get your car stolen if you dont pay for welfare mammas to have 6 kids, I'm not trying to justify theft or say that rich white people ought to hand everything over to poor black folks to make things "fair"

Here is what I want to get at: at the same time little kids learn basic things like it's wrong and bad to take what isnt yours, they should also be learning that it's right and good to share.
these are such basic kindergarten lessons, and when we follow these simple principles, everyone benefits. when we pick out only the ones we like and make them more important than the others, then everyone suffers in one way or another.
yeah I know you are rollin your eyes at me.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:36 PM   #147 (permalink)
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lol, it doesn't matter. They took something that was not theirs.

It's not a matter of whether is easy or hard to accomplish. It's a matter of right and wrong.

It's like "we put a bait car on the street and made him into a car thief." Bullshit, that dumb ass made himself into a car thief. It was his own choice and I'm sure he knew the consequences that might follow that choice.
The fuck it doesn't matter. Why the acceptance of inducing crime? And talk about the slippery slope of all slippery slopes.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:30 PM   #148 (permalink)
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before anyone asks, no I am not saying you deserve to get your car stolen if you dont pay for welfare mammas to have 6 kids, I'm not trying to justify theft or say that rich white people ought to hand everything over to poor black folks to make things "fair"

Here is what I want to get at: at the same time little kids learn basic things like it's wrong and bad to take what isnt yours, they should also be learning that it's right and good to share.
these are such basic kindergarten lessons, and when we follow these simple principles, everyone benefits. when we pick out only the ones we like and make them more important than the others, then everyone suffers in one way or another.
yeah I know you are rollin your eyes at me.
so all we need to do is eliminate poverty, ignorance, and a culture that embraces crime. lol, why didnt i think of that?
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Here is what I want to get at: at the same time little kids learn basic things like it's wrong and bad to take what isnt yours, they should also be learning that it's right and good to share.
these are such basic kindergarten lessons, and when we follow these simple principles, everyone benefits. when we pick out only the ones we like and make them more important than the others, then everyone suffers in one way or another.
yeah I know you are rollin your eyes at me.
Except there is a law against stealing and no law requiring people to share.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:52 PM   #150 (permalink)
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The fuck it doesn't matter. Why the acceptance of inducing crime? And talk about the slippery slope of all slippery slopes.

We've already been over this when we were discussing entrapment. They are not inducing crime.
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We've already been over this when we were discussing entrapment. They are not inducing crime.
I don't care how the system changes the meaning of words to justify caging more people. No bait car, no FUCKING crime.
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so all we need to do is eliminate poverty, ignorance, and a culture that embraces crime. lol, why didnt i think of that?
Yeah, we couldn't possibly attempt to do that so we just throw more gasoline on the fire.
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I don't care how the system changes the meaning of words to justify caging more people. No bait car, no FUCKING crime.
Now if we could just ban cars we'd never have to worry about car theft ever again!
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Now if we could just ban cars we'd never have to worry about car theft ever again!
Or bait cars.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:36 AM   #155 (permalink)
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I don't care how the system changes the meaning of words to justify caging more people. No bait car, no FUCKING crime.
Im guessing everyone here has had the opportunity to steal something at some point in their life.

How many here actually acted upon it? Whether it was some buddies cash that got left somewhere, or stealing something from a store you knew didn't have security?

I've had ample chance, staring me in the face and I have never EVER taken anything that didn't belong to me. A bait car does not turn a good person into a bad person. Kind of like the old thought with alcohol. It doesn't turn people mean and angry, it brings that side of people out.




p.s., it seems you have some sort of emotional attachment to this issue and may be a little unable to look at the debate rationally and logically.
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Im guessing everyone here has had the opportunity to steal something at some point in their life.

How many here actually acted upon it? Whether it was some buddies cash that got left somewhere, or stealing something from a store you knew didn't have security?

I've had ample chance, staring me in the face and I have never EVER taken anything that didn't belong to me. A bait car does not turn a good person into a bad person. Kind of like the old thought with alcohol. It doesn't turn people mean and angry, it brings that side of people out.




p.s., it seems you have some sort of emotional attachment to this issue and may be a little unable to look at the debate rationally and logically.
Right you are. I tried to take a truck for a joy ride when I was 14 because the keys were in the ignition, although this was before we became enlightened with the "bait car". Although my intentions weren't honorable for being in that truck, I had no intention of taking it for a joy ride. Thankfully, I didn't know how to work a clutch, so nothing happened. I didn't need any help being an idiot.
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Right you are. I tried to take a truck for a joy ride when I was 14 because the keys were in the ignition, although this was before we became enlightened with the "bait car". Although my intentions weren't honorable for being in that truck, I had no intention of taking it for a joy ride. Thankfully, I didn't know how to work a clutch, so nothing happened. I didn't need any help being an idiot.

I somehow feel that if you got caught "joyriding" in this you would have at least partially blamed the owner of the truck.
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I somehow feel that if you got caught "joyriding" in this you would have at least partially blamed the owner of the truck.
No i wouldn't have. My point was it was a spur of the moment thing because the opportunity presented itself.
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then you were still trying to commit an act that was not right. you still had no right to be using someone else's property without permission. Even if you never planned on it before, you tried to act on it - something that you shouldn't have done.
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Right, he also had tried to take it for a joy ride......but had no intentions of taking it for a joy ride.....wtf?

I also like that he tried to take it for a joy ride BECAUSE the keys were in the ignition. What if the the keys were not in the truck but you knew how to hot wire the truck? Would it then be....."well, I tried to take the truck for a joy ride because the doors were unlocked?"
Can't you read? I said my INTENTIONS weren't to take the truck for a joyride but they weren't HONORABLE. I was in a petty theft stage and I was just looking to see if there was anything worth stealing in the truck. I'm not blaming anyone, I was a punk asshole but stealing a car wasn't something I was planning on doing.
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