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Old 02-24-2013, 12:28 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:35 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Old 02-24-2013, 12:38 PM   #63 (permalink)
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King Tut Related to Half of European Men? Maybe Not | Personal Genomics | Tutankhamen's Relatives | LiveScience

Apparently that video is made by a company called igenea-
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Swiss genomics company iGENEA has launched a Tutankhamen DNA project based on what they say are genetic markers that appeared on a computer screen during a Discovery Channel special
So their proof is based on them having watched an edition of discovery channel, which itself made no such claims.

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and just to be clear, the claim that tut and his parents were white is false. his DNA linked him to isolated subsaharan africans.
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Any other evidence or just what some random person said in the comments section of Topix?

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I think it's an absolutely confirmed fact that Cleopatra was European.
Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, Ptolemy was a Macedonian Greek.
But because the ancients didn't really care about race that much, we don't know if Ptolemy's descendants were greek or mixed race. Intermarriage with the locals would be probably be considered a good way of cementing political influence.
We do know they spoke Greek as a first language and had a largely hellenic culture.
So Cleopatra was a greek speaker but she may or may not have been mixed race.
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:27 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Any other evidence or just what some random person said in the comments section of Topix?
there were links to articles and copy and pastes in the comments, similar to the one you just posted.
copy and pasting is just a pain for me cause im using a ps3.

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yyyyyeah im still going with its bullshit

egyptians wont be ruled by no white dude, thats like saying there was a black king of england.
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also, im pretty sure Tut was inbred as fuck.


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this probably comes into play with the appearance of certain pharaohs and ruling class.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:03 PM   #67 (permalink)
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thats like saying there was a black king of england.
Not commenting on Cleopatra, but thought this might give you something to read, of interest to the comment made:

Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz: Ancestry
Another Royal Marriage: The Black Queen of England
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #68 (permalink)
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not really. african ancestory =/= being black

you can bet your ass she was still as pale as the next wanker
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:20 PM   #69 (permalink)
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my favorite king was the retarded one, charles something?

we're talking about royal bloodlines here, and great care was taken to attempt to keep the bloodlines "clean" or whatever bullshit they had going on.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:54 PM   #73 (permalink)
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and just to be clear, the claim that tut and his parents were white is false. his DNA linked him to isolated subsaharan africans.
-more info in the comments on that link
Now you're just being fucking ridiculous....

Dr. Zahi Hawass has stated that “Tutankhamen was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it.” Hawass has also stated that “[Ancient] Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa.” This is the actual guy who had the DNA tests done--not someone who saw them on the Discovery channel--he's saying Tut wasn't black!!!

Forget for a moment that King Tut's DNA is western European.

Also, forget that the most accurate modern reconstruction of King Tut's skull shows that it isn't Sub-Saharan African.....

On its sides, it shows the Egyptian King riding a chariot and trampling the "Nine Bows" or enemies of Egypt: Black Nubians and Semites.



A detail from the side, showing Tutankhamen trampling Blacks and scattered Semites under the wheels of his chariot and under his horses' hooves. Note also the three Black slaves fanning Tutankhamen at the rear of his chariot.

Yet another candid racial image from Tutankhamen's tomb is to be found in a pair of his sandals. Inlaid with a picture of a Semite and a Black Nubian bound up, the pharaoh would trample his enemies underfoot when he walked. The Egyptian king's sandals have bound Black and Semitic prisoners inlaid into the soles: when the king walked in these shoes, he would crush the enemies of Egypt underfoot.




The finely crafted figures on the footstool are of nine Blacks and Semites tied together in chains, hands bound behind their backs. Their positioning on the footstool was so that when the pharaoh sat on his throne, his enemies would be under his feet.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot..._2963380_n.jpg




Here is yet another picture of King Tut as a Sphinx trampling over Nubian bodies. Notice how the boy king's face/color is drawn COMPLETELY different than the Nubian negros:



Here is another picture of King Tut's "Sub-Saharan" mom, LOL:

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also lol @ most of HPs argument being based on youtube videos
Um, the videos themselves are nearly meaningless.

I just posted them so that I didn't have to spend hours individually tracking down pictures of all the featured art and various other items from ancient Egypt.
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Dr. Zahi Hawass has stated that “Tutankhamen was not black, and the portrayal of ancient Egyptian civilization as black has no element of truth to it.” Hawass has also stated that “[Ancient] Egyptians are not Arabs and are not Africans despite the fact that Egypt is in Africa.” This is the actual guy who had the DNA tests done
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Hawass has been skeptical of DNA testing of Egyptian mummies: "From what I understand, it is not always accurate and it cannot always be done with complete success when dealing with mummies. Until we know for sure that it is accurate, we will not use it in our research."
But though Hawass was in fact the egyptian minister of state for antiquities affairs between 2002 and 2011, there are a few questions regarding his integrity.
Notably his penchant for self publicity, his lucrative contracts with Discovery Channel and other foreign media, his alleged impropriety regarding contracts with the gift shop in the Egyptian Museum (for which he received a suspended jail sentence), his ties with the ousted president Mubarak, his domineering refusal to allow the international archaeological community access to egyptian digs and artifacts and his antisemitism.
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tl,dr, north africa is closer to mediterranean culture and genealogy than sub-saharan africa
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^i wonder how much of that is thanks to alexander the great?
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and the wave of breeders and culture behind him?

sounds plausible, but i'm no historian.

and the sahara is no small challenge to cross. I could certainly see it having an isolating effect, effecting different cultures, languages, and body types/genealogies. Effectively the same as an ocean or mountain range.
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Here is another picture of King Tut's "Sub-Saharan" mom, LOL:

this is not Tut's mom, it's his mother-in-law/step mother.
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and the sahara is no small challenge to cross. I could certainly see it having an isolating effect, effecting different cultures, languages, and body types/genealogies. Effectively the same as an ocean or mountain range.
Quite right. Note the propensity for paths of least resistance:



Not much has changed when you think about how folks might "hoof it" today, I think. I fucked around with Google Earth in the Sahara before, and I found just about one north-south 'road' in the whole of that crazy wasteland.

In regards to the subject of the thread, I'm not really sure what the Egyptians were, apart from now those ancients we now call Ancient Egyptians. It's good enough for me.
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