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Old 09-11-2015, 10:30 AM   #81 (permalink)
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distruction of historical monuments is not limited to isis. this is sad no matter what is going on regardless of who did it
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:38 PM   #82 (permalink)
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you seriously over estimate our influence in Washington. The new Iran deal is proof enough of my point. From Tunisia to Iraq, Israel is the only stable country left.

We have already won. All of our enemies are in ruins except for Iran and they are just as much your enemies as ours.

There is no huge conspiracy going on, even American Jews are fed up with our policies and aren't supporting Israel anymore.

Any opinion on ISIS, sex slavery and destruction of historic monuments? not to mention beheadings, or is that all Israel's fault too?
The is no more proof of Israel's influence than the Iran deal. You do realize the vote was 58-42. That's 58 votes for a foreign country and 42 for their own country. Just 2 votes short of a filibuster and 9 votes short of a veto override. I don't over estimate shit.

Of course you have already won. We put everyone in ruins for you. Iran is a zero threat to us so the only reason they are perceived as our enemy is again because of you.

ISIS wouldn't exist if we didn't invade Iraq so take it how you want. Saudi Arabia beheads people regularly and they are our ally. So yes, of course it's Israel's fault.
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:14 PM   #83 (permalink)
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I thought that the reason Israel is supported by America so much is because of its geographical importance. It's strategically useful to have a foothold like Israel in the middle east.


So arguing about whether it was autonomously America, or if Israel influenced America to do whatever.. that just doesn't seem relevant. Both countries are essentially players on the same team.
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Old 09-11-2015, 07:24 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Funny how we have bases everywhere but Israel. The 5th fleet is in Bahrain. What exactly does Israel provide for America that makes us a team?
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America and Israel provide each other with an overall more comprehensive military presence in the middle east. The two nations share military research and intelligence as well as other commercial technologies. Essentially they are business (incl. war) partners on Team West.


Try looking at it from an international perspective. What is a few thousand Palestinians and tension with the shitter Arab nations (or not to mention the aggravated peasants inhabiting its disjointed States) in comparison to the strategic gain? Yeah America sends a couple billion dollars to Israel each year -- that's nothing compared to the amount of money involved in annual trade, or in military development, or in an expanded political arm (and that's something you really can't put a dollar amount on).


Trust me, America has good reasons for supporting Israel, otherwise they simply wouldn't do it. There are deeply rooted interests at stake. They may be terrible, shitty reasons you don't agree with and the stakes may contradict or may not have anything to do with what you find important, but that is what the arrangement is, and the people in charge have done everything they can to make it so for the past 60 odd years.




Israel isn't the problem. Those people have a right to be there. It's the people in charge that are the problem, and they're residences aren't exclusive to the holy land.
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Funny how we have bases everywhere but Israel. The 5th fleet is in Bahrain. What exactly does Israel provide for America that makes us a team?
duh, again your lack of knowledge is impressive. You have your 'desert training bases' all across the Negev where your troops get trained for Iraq and Afghanistan. Basically all Israel is is an huge American base.
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duh, again your lack of knowledge is impressive. You have your 'desert training bases' all across the Negev where your troops get trained for Iraq and Afghanistan. Basically all Israel is is an huge American base.
No, you have desert training bases all across the Negev. We might have paid for them though but the fact that our troops might have possibly trained there hardly makes those bases ours. Personally I have yet to meet anyone who did a tour in either Iraq or Afghanistan to have set foot on Israeli soil.
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America and Israel provide each other with an overall more comprehensive military presence in the middle east. The two nations share military research and intelligence as well as other commercial technologies. Essentially they are business (incl. war) partners on Team West.


Try looking at it from an international perspective. What is a few thousand Palestinians and tension with the shitter Arab nations (or not to mention the aggravated peasants inhabiting its disjointed States) in comparison to the strategic gain? Yeah America sends a couple billion dollars to Israel each year -- that's nothing compared to the amount of money involved in annual trade, or in military development, or in an expanded political arm (and that's something you really can't put a dollar amount on).


Trust me, America has good reasons for supporting Israel, otherwise they simply wouldn't do it. There are deeply rooted interests at stake. They may be terrible, shitty reasons you don't agree with and the stakes may contradict or may not have anything to do with what you find important, but that is what the arrangement is, and the people in charge have done everything they can to make it so for the past 60 odd years.




Israel isn't the problem. Those people have a right to be there. It's the people in charge that are the problem, and they're residences aren't exclusive to the holy land.
The relationship is grossly one sided.
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