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Old 01-01-2017, 11:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ELECTORAL COLLEGE

The debate has started again as to whether the US Constitution should be amended in order to change the presidential election process. Some promote
eliminating the Electoral College in favor of a direct popular vote for president while others believe the Electoral College should remain unchanged. Just as compromise solved the initial problems of the framers so it is that compromise can solve this problem. The solution is to change the electoral votes to electoral points and reward each candidate a percentage of points based on the percentage of popular votes received in each state.

This would eliminate the "winner take all" system thus allowing for all the votes to count. A voter is more apt to believe their vote counted when a percentage of popular votes are taken into account rather than the "all or nothing" system currently in existence. Further, this new system would integrate the desire for a popular vote for president with the need for the individual states to determine who actually gets elected.

As for political primaries the number of delegates awarded in each state should be determined by the percentage of votes won by each candidate.

For 2016 multiplying the percentage of votes each candidate received {in each state} times the number of electoral votes {in each state} results in the following: Clinton 256.985 and Trump 253.482.
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yea I'm down for that. Or really just eliminating it all together. I don't necessarily think the original compromise was a good one, and that people from smaller states should have a more meaningful vote.
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Yea I'm down for that. Or really just eliminating it all together. I don't necessarily think the original compromise was a good one, and that people from smaller states should have a more meaningful vote.
Not to mention the slavery bits that are part of its foundations.
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whoa..SmokeSomeDoja, PhrophetSaddam and now JOEBIALEK all with triumphant returns within the span of a week...
That's fuckin beautiful...like old times, which were the most fun & funny.

Oh yeah, the voting deal. If we had decent choices, I might just.
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The federal government shouldn't have so much power to begin with. Deciding how we run the circus doesn't make sense when the ringleaders drunk, the lions are on the loose and the audience is arguing over which bathroom the bearded lady must use.
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Without electoral reform, how do you get rid of the drunk ringleader etc?
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The federal government shouldn't have so much power to begin with. Deciding how we run the circus doesn't make sense when the ringleaders drunk, the lions are on the loose and the audience is arguing over which bathroom the bearded lady must use.
I'm thankful the feds have so much power otherwise we'd be racing to the bottom much faster. I look at your state as an example.
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I'm thankful the feds have so much power otherwise we'd be racing to the bottom much faster. I look at your state as an example.
NC is about 10-15 yrs behind Northern states. I got into a heated argument with some dumbass redneck who actually said to me that the States that have legalized weed are now experiencing an increase in people with liver & kidney problems because of weed. What a dipshit! I couldn't believe his outright ignorance.

Make that 20-25 yrs behind other States.
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The federal government shouldn't have so much power to begin with. Deciding how we run the circus doesn't make sense when the ringleaders drunk, the lions are on the loose and the audience is arguing over which bathroom the bearded lady must use.
I think from a pure standpoint of bureaucratic efficiency, the federal government has shown itself to be more efficient and capable. This isn't to give them high marks, but rather a nod to the frightening level of incompetence and duplication costs involved with state agencies. Ever deal with the IRS? I'm sure it sucked but it's almost certainly better than trying to deal with a state taxing agency (for example).

I also don't think abolishing the EC really hands the feds any more power. It merely hands it more directly to the people without allowing the generally dishonest and uncountable cunts in state government getting in the way.
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Yeah, states, who needs em
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Tricky old Constitutional Republic.
Living and dying by the same sword.

Without the Federal Government interference,
Trump wouldn't be President,
As he lost the popular vote.
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Without the federal government there wouldn't be a president
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Without electoral reform, how do you get rid of the drunk ringleader etc?
The ones who can/would change things (electoral reform) do not want things changed.

The few who want change are too small a minority to effectively do anything, , ,

What I would like to see is fistfights in the house/senate, like the japanese & koreans do on occasion, its real obvious who is for/against various issues.
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i'm not sure i understand the logic, without the federal government there wouldn't be a legislature or judiciary either...there's only one office that's voted on nationwide, and considering that 40% of the results this century have led to the candidate who received the most votes not being the winner, i suspect the support of the current electoral college is rather soft and will only get softer if results like those in 2000 and 2016 continue. now whether the individual states give up their little fiefdoms to amend the constitution is the real question

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Mind you that I said Federal Government interference...


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I should read that as being one thing you like about the Federal Government, yes?

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So without federal government interference, as you put it, we would obviously be a direct democracy?
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Yeah, states, who needs em
I think they're definitely good for some things. I think gun laws should be mostly state to state (but no outright bans). Same with family and estate law, laws about corporate governance and liability, drug laws, most prison laws, even bathroom laws though I think NC is on the wrong side of that circus act. States are good for the whole "laboratory of democracy" ish. It's good to try out different standards and adopt different ones for a diverse country.

But shit like the actual process of voting should be left to the feds. A single efficient, transparent system is the best and most democratic. Experimentation and variation by the states serves no improvement and is often a smokescreen for antidemocratic agendas. No need to throw in another middleman tyrant when it comes to casting a ballot.
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Drug laws should have fed guidelines with states having the right to lessen those guidelines. Lessen only.
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Im assuming some of you are talking about this (re: state laws vs. fed)... but, in my opinion getting rid of electoral college could be good, could be bad, but what really needs to happen is an end to the winner takes all part of it. Just let the different districts vote for you they want and you end the problem. Yes some smaller state votes would still be worth slightly more, but it would mean that every state counts.

Its frankly rediculous that the state should have to vote as a block. I can't imagine any justification for that.
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