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Old 04-26-2017, 02:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'll note that I used words such as 'most' and 'can'. Maybe your cat is fine, at the same time there are many cats who are not fine because of declawing. There's lots of resources and studies that verify what I've said, it's not really occult knowledge or anything like that.


"A study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (“Risk factors for relinquishment of cats to an animal shelter”, by Patronek, Glickman, Beck, et al., JAVMA, 1996:209:582-588) found that declawed cats were at an increased risk ofrelinquishment to animal shelters. Among relinquished cats, 52.4% of declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to 29.1% of non-declawed cats."

"Phantom limb pain plays a role in litter box problems of declawed cats. Some declawed cats react days when the barometer changes (just like people who have amputated limbs.) Cats are known to sense earth quakes before scientific machines do and having amputated limbs will make some cats all the more sensitive."

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I'm talking about not being able to dig in their liter boxes or that the liter causes excruciating pain. And as far as it being the equivalent to having your fingers amputated at the last knuckle, I just don't see that. If I were to have that happen to me I wouldn't be able to perform many of my daily functions. With my cat, the only thing he can't do now comparably is tear fabric when he's scratching on the arms of my chairs.
Well take into consideration youre talking about an inside cat, so basically it already cant do half of a cats natural functions by default. If you put your cat outside itd likely be totally fucked. (Or even just like in rubix's situation, with another cat who has claws etc)

You could probably get by without your fingertips too, if you were locked inside in a mental ward and were fed and taken care of etc etc.
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Aw poor guy.

You mentioned Jackson Galaxy: Have you tried having them eat with a mesh screen or baby gate between them? He initially sets it apart a bit far for really violent cats and over time gets them to be closer, and eventually without the screen entirely. He also has them play together while monitoring them for aggression.

I imagine he may suggest to do things that might bring about confidence in your poor declawed guy. Give him a cat tree, or perches, get him a favourite toy. Might also suggest to really make sure your more aggressive one is well exercised and tired out so he's not taking out his play aggression on the new one.

2 litter boxes to each cat.
Remember: Hunt/ Catch/ Kill/ Eat/ Groom/ Sleep

If they really struggle try introducing their scents first. Find a blanket they each sleep on and then swap them out so they can at least begin the acquaintance that way.

I hope it all goes well, man. Best of luck.
The thing is he runs away at the site of the bully, even through a glass door pane. Putting Cheeto in a harness helps subdue him too but not ideal for long term stability. He was also bullied by other farm cats before I got him.
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The thing is he runs away at the site of the bully, even through a glass door pane. Putting Cheeto in a harness helps subdue him too but not ideal for long term stability. He was also bullied by other farm cats before I got him.
Hmm, yeah try getting them acquainted by scent for right now.Then perhaps as time passes try feeding with the glass door between them. Then move on to having them play in the same room with a toy. Baby steps.

Calm cat music via YouTube helps to calm quite a bit. Feliway works for some cats too.
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What's your guys' and girls' cat's names?

Mine are named Finn and Fiona. Fiona's the big girl.

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Aww, they're so cute, fender.

My guy's name is Oscar, named after Oscar Wilde. We call him Oscar the Wilde Grouch. He's a Lynx-Point Siamese who loves to talk and is an excellent jumper.
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Well take into consideration youre talking about an inside cat, so basically it already cant do half of a cats natural functions by default. If you put your cat outside itd likely be totally fucked. (Or even just like in rubix's situation, with another cat who has claws etc)

You could probably get by without your fingertips too, if you were locked inside in a mental ward and were fed and taken care of etc etc.
Most of those natural functions involve killing shit or getting their ass kicked. Mine gets to do all the good ones: Eat, sleep, play and get petted on demand..

I like the mental ward analogy. So completely wrong but I like it.
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I'll note that I used words such as 'most' and 'can'. Maybe your cat is fine, at the same time there are many cats who are not fine because of declawing. There's lots of resources and studies that verify what I've said, it's not really occult knowledge or anything like that.


"A study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association (“Risk factors for relinquishment of cats to an animal shelter”, by Patronek, Glickman, Beck, et al., JAVMA, 1996:209:582-588) found that declawed cats were at an increased risk ofrelinquishment to animal shelters. Among relinquished cats, 52.4% of declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to 29.1% of non-declawed cats."

"Phantom limb pain plays a role in litter box problems of declawed cats. Some declawed cats react days when the barometer changes (just like people who have amputated limbs.) Cats are known to sense earth quakes before scientific machines do and having amputated limbs will make some cats all the more sensitive."

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Mothrnature's link from the AMVA says that there are no behavior problems related to declawing as compared to your link saying the complete opposite. I also don't see how saying that a higher percentage of relinquished cats have liter box avoidance issues proves they have "excruciating pain" while using said liter box. Especially considering that a goodly percentage of cats that haven't been declawed have the same problem when relinquished. The phantom pain part makes me wonder how in the fuck they could document such a thing.

I don't want to beat a dead horse(bad pun)but I'm an animal lover and this shit bothers me. Maybe I've just been lucky but there is no way my cats have had any issues with their liter boxes and they're able to function normally and were/are happier than pigs in shit.

*Please don't tell me pigs aren't happy in shit.
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Ftr, neither has litter box issues. Both shit in each other's boxes
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So I have a 4 year old male named Cheeto, very independent, bitey-when-hungry type, but also very affectionate male. Had him for two years then two weeks ago got 5 year old Bubba from the local humane society and he's a victim of Cheeto's bullying now. He cowers in corners and only moves when absolutely necessary. I've done the segregated introduction and even until now I separate them in the house sometimes just so Bubba isn't so scared like during the night

just found out yesterday that he is declawed. I feel stupid not realizing this for two weeks. Should have noticed right away but got scammed real good I guess. Probably why he has emotional issues. Defenseless cat poor thing.

Anyways not sure where I'm going with this but who has experience with cat fights? How long should I wait before giving up on this cat? I have thirty days to bring him back and would rather not. I didn't think adding a second cat could ever be this hard.
I have a friend who swears by hormone that you can buy and spray. They sell it at different pet stores. And it basically just mellows them out and helps with some of the dominance issues. I'm not sure what it's called but I don't think that it's hard to find. I've seen it,in passing, in a pet store. Good luck socializing cats can be trying.
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Mothrnature's link from the AMVA says that there are no behavior problems related to declawing as compared to your link saying the complete opposite. I also don't see how saying that a higher percentage of relinquished cats have liter box avoidance issues proves they have "excruciating pain" while using said liter box. Especially considering that a goodly percentage of cats that haven't been declawed have the same problem when relinquished. The phantom pain part makes me wonder how in the fuck they could document such a thing.

I don't want to beat a dead horse(bad pun)but I'm an animal lover and this shit bothers me. Maybe I've just been lucky but there is no way my cats have had any issues with their liter boxes and they're able to function normally and were/are happier than pigs in shit.

*Please don't tell me pigs aren't happy in shit.
I would say that if your cats are happy and healthy -- that is what is important.

We can play the "my source says- your source says" game for as long as we want. I can link you here, to the Humane Society's article on how declawing can make cats less likely to use their litter boxes and more likely to bite (Their words not mine.)

I can also refer yet another quick google search that immediately states in large text the pain associated with declawing (attached to this post.) (Also would add measuring pain in animals is likely be done by behaviours they exhibit, which is indeed something quantifiable. I think in some animal studies they did it by seeing how animals behave with a painkiller such as norepinephrine.)

But it's all a moot point, really, if folks minds are already made up. If your cat is happy that is good indeed, I would simply consider contemplating possible risks in the future.
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Re: StageTree's point.

Feliway is a tried and true brand, that comes in sprays and various dispensers. Natural Essences (Jackson Galaxy's brand) is also a good herbal one to try, you can put the drops in their water.
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I understand that in most instances but when determining that cats have "phantom pain" while using a liter box, I have my reservations. I would think that it would be near impossible just determining what constitutes phantom pain.
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I have a friend who swears by hormone that you can buy and spray. They sell it at different pet stores. And it basically just mellows them out and helps with some of the dominance issues. I'm not sure what it's called but I don't think that it's hard to find. I've seen it,in passing, in a pet store. Good luck socializing cats can be trying.
I bought a three pack of the sentry collars. Hopefully they do something this is getting old.
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Start training your clawless cat in all the cat-like kungfu styles. Maybe add some whey protein to his food and get him on TRT. Make him razor gloves like turm said.
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Unfortunately I had to bring him back yesterday. There was too much aggression and it wasn't fair for Bubba. He was attacked on his side. Not sure if bite or claw wound. When I got to the shelter he was acting like a new cat without any fear. It was much harder to bring an animal back to a shelter than I ever thought it could be. :'(
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This was after I put calming collars on. I think it helped cheeto but bubba still had growling and I hadn't noticed the bite yet. He got bit right before I could put the collars on. I just think it was too late. Meet and greet started off on the wrong paw I think.
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