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Old 04-25-2017, 03:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb Pussy [cat] problem

So I have a 4 year old male named Cheeto, very independent, bitey-when-hungry type, but also very affectionate male. Had him for two years then two weeks ago got 5 year old Bubba from the local humane society and he's a victim of Cheeto's bullying now. He cowers in corners and only moves when absolutely necessary. I've done the segregated introduction and even until now I separate them in the house sometimes just so Bubba isn't so scared like during the night

just found out yesterday that he is declawed. I feel stupid not realizing this for two weeks. Should have noticed right away but got scammed real good I guess. Probably why he has emotional issues. Defenseless cat poor thing.

Anyways not sure where I'm going with this but who has experience with cat fights? How long should I wait before giving up on this cat? I have thirty days to bring him back and would rather not. I didn't think adding a second cat could ever be this hard.
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Declawing is disgusting, whats more is when I bring this up to older people they act like im fucking insane for insisting it leaves them in endless pain sometimes.

Unfortunately im not sure how you get kitties to get along when one of them is declawed.
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Yeah it's sad. He squeaks and is very vocal when being picked up. Seems like he's in excruciating pain.
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I'm gonna try cbd in his food and maybe a calming collar on both cats and some Jackson galaxy voodoo shit he sells for bullies.
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Could you make him some fake razor cat gloves?

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Aw poor guy.

You mentioned Jackson Galaxy: Have you tried having them eat with a mesh screen or baby gate between them? He initially sets it apart a bit far for really violent cats and over time gets them to be closer, and eventually without the screen entirely. He also has them play together while monitoring them for aggression.

I imagine he may suggest to do things that might bring about confidence in your poor declawed guy. Give him a cat tree, or perches, get him a favourite toy. Might also suggest to really make sure your more aggressive one is well exercised and tired out so he's not taking out his play aggression on the new one.

2 litter boxes to each cat.
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If they really struggle try introducing their scents first. Find a blanket they each sleep on and then swap them out so they can at least begin the acquaintance that way.

I hope it all goes well, man. Best of luck.
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Declawing is disgusting, whats more is when I bring this up to older people they act like im fucking insane for insisting it leaves them in endless pain sometimes.

Unfortunately im not sure how you get kitties to get along when one of them is declawed.
Declawing is stupid and wrong! It's for lazy people that don't want to try and train their cats.... even us "older" people don't like it

Maybe you can ask the place you got him from, how to stop the bullying, or call a cat vet and ask them. Some will do it anyways.... I have 2, 10 month old kittens, and one is kinda bullying the other sometimes, but then she gets her too, attacked her from behind yesterday.

Also there is a great cat forum, I went to when my older cat got sick, it's thecatsite.com I'm sure you can find folks on there that can help you.....
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My cat doesn't seem traumatized by his declawing. In fact he didn't even seem to notice it after a day or two. Living by myself and working all day left me little time to try to train my cat not to ruin my furniture. And yes I got the scratch posts and put them throughout my house. Cats lose limbs and lead healthy lives and my Vet didn't discourage me in the least bit form getting him declawed. So I'm not encouraging anyone to get their cat declawed but I think it's not as traumatic as being said here.
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Yeah it's sad. He squeaks and is very vocal when being picked up. Seems like he's in excruciating pain.
No way that's from being declawed.
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I shudder at declawing for sure. They basically remove the first half of their digits (like chopping half your finger off) and most struggle to bury in their litter box. The litter itself can be excruciatingly painful for them when declawed.
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I have two sister cats. One is skinny the other is a big girl. The big one is a slight bully sometimes and will try to eat the skinny one's food sometimes (though not enough to account for the different body types.)

I compensate for it by giving the skinny one more food n stuff. Also they are partial outdoor cats (during the day) so they arent retarded like inside cats and can burn off their energy etc etc.
Other than the extra food(which i do on the downlow so it isn't noticeable, i treat the cats pretty much exactly the same. If i doing something for or to one, i do it for the other. Especially if she's watching. They are incredibly jealous bitches. It's pretty crazy really lol.


That said, animals naturally establish a hierarchy like that. One is gonna out-alpha the others. Nothing you can do about that past a certain point really.
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As for what's best of this cat.. what's gonna be worse? It has to put up with this asshole Cheeto cat you have (that should eventually even out more.. it does take a while for a new cat into the fam to integrate), or it goes back to the humane society?


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No way that's from being declawed.
Probably not but maybe he's just traumatized from the bully.

I've heard osteoarthritis is a potential side effect of the procedure though.
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I think reverie has some good advice.

The issues may not have anything to do with claws and more to do with introducing another adult cat into the home. Also the clawless one is a shelter cat. You don't really know what conditions he came from. Is Cheeto fixed?

Here's what the American Veterinary Medical Assn. has to say about declawing:
https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Pag...stic-Cats.aspx
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I shudder at declawing for sure. They basically remove the first half of their digits (like chopping half your finger off) and most struggle to bury in their litter box. The litter itself can be excruciatingly painful for them when declawed.
I don't know where you are getting your information or if you are speaking from your personal experience. Either way, I must respectfully disagree. I've had declawed cats 18 years running and never had either of those things occur. I also have friends who've had declawed cats their entire lives and they say the same thing. Within days of having my cats declawed, you couldn't tell the difference, behavior wise, or physically, from before the surgery. I take care of my little buddy.
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I don't know where you are getting your information or if you are speaking from your personal experience. Either way, I must respectfully disagree. I've had declawed cats 18 years running and never had either of those things occur. I also have friends who've had declawed cats their entire lives and they say the same thing. Within days of having my cats declawed, you couldn't tell the difference, behavior wise, or physically, from before the surgery. I take care of my little buddy.
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Not trying to insinuate anything about how you care for your cat, stoneric. I'm sure you take good care of him and love him a lot. Just stating information I know to be true from many sources.
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I have two sister cats. One is skinny the other is a big girl. The big one is a slight bully sometimes and will try to eat the skinny one's food sometimes (though not enough to account for the different body types.)

I compensate for it by giving the skinny one more food n stuff. Also they are partial outdoor cats (during the day) so they arent retarded like inside cats and can burn off their energy etc etc.
Other than the extra food(which i do on the downlow so it isn't noticeable, i treat the cats pretty much exactly the same. If i doing something for or to one, i do it for the other. Especially if she's watching. They are incredibly jealous bitches. It's pretty crazy really lol.


That said, animals naturally establish a hierarchy like that. One is gonna out-alpha the others. Nothing you can do about that past a certain point really.
You hit the nail on the head there! I have two sisters too, and one is bigger and the other smaller, so far, they still have some growing to do...

Yep, we have the jealousy thing, so I treat them both the same. If one is on the couch sitting beside me, and the other walks into the room and sees them, they will just walk away, and find somewhere else to lay. Mine aren't that bad though, sometimes they will both drink out of the same bowl, at the same time, or eat out of the same bowl, at the same time.

My cat that passed last year, when she was small, she hounded and attacked our older cat, which was 4 years older than her. They weren't sisters or kin, and my older one wouldn't fight her back, she would just run.
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Not trying to insinuate anything about how you care for your cat, stoneric. I'm sure you take good care of him and love him a lot. Just stating information I know to be true from many sources.
I'm talking about not being able to dig in their liter boxes or that the liter causes excruciating pain. And as far as it being the equivalent to having your fingers amputated at the last knuckle, I just don't see that. If I were to have that happen to me I wouldn't be able to perform many of my daily functions. With my cat, the only thing he can't do now comparably is tear fabric when he's scratching on the arms of my chairs.
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