Smak

I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia. Anybody ever get pissed off if they ran out of weed and needed (sorry - wanted) more? The first joint of the day make you breath a happy sigh as if to say "thats better"?
I know weed is fun, I used to do it everyday, and I can't remember the last two years. I appreciate that it does have medicinal merit, and I support the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit.
Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.

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[quote]Originally posted by Smak:
<strong>I am not starting a fight, but habitual use of Cannabis can lead to depression and, in the worst cases, schizophrenia..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Schizophrenia is a brain disease, in exactly the same sense that Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, and multiple sclerosis are brain diseases. ( <a href="http://www.schizophrenia.co m/" target="_blank">http ://www.schizophrenia.co m/</a> ) Not caused by cannabis.
The causes of depression are pretty much unknown, except that they know serotonin is involved. I think people with depression use cannabis to try to make themselves feel better, and it does help, although it may be better for them to go to a doctor, get counseling and get on an anti-depressant.

[quote]<strong> It just worries and kinda pisses me off when I hear people spouting on about how it is not addictive and completely safe, because that is bullshit.
Possibly the most ridiculous pro hemp propaganda is the well known line that smoking marijauna is not harmful because it is only a plant. Cocaine is a plant. Heroin is a plant. Some of the most dangerous substances on the planet come from plants.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cannabis is not physically addictive, that doesn't mean it's not psychologically additive. Some people have addictive tendancies and can easily get addicted to anything from nicotine to heroin to gambling to sugar.

A reason people say it's "just a plant" is because cannabis requires no processing in order to injest it. Pretty much pick it off the plant and there ya go. Other harder drugs have been processed, altered, synthesized by people till they are no longer "natural" I think cocaine can be dangerously addictive, but perhaps back in the day when people used to just chew the coca leaves it probably wasn't as much of a problem.

There's more facts i could add, but perhaps i could suggest doing a bit of research and reading on cannabis, from reputable resources (i.e. not government related, not DARE )

jonesy

I agree fully.

It does not *cause* schizophrenia, but does make it worse for people have schizo tendencies. Both sides, the pro and anti cannabis, have there wrong and right points; alot of what the goverment says is true.

I resent anyone who says something isnt natural, everything is natural

Is honey not natural because the bees had to process and alter the pollen? bullshit.

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germination

Marijuana is like women. Cant live with them, cant live without em. I need to get laid.

jonesy

ANSWER MY QUESTION?


ITS HONEY NOT NATURAL CAUSE BEES PROCESSED POLLEN TO MAKE IT?

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Doghouse

kosh that was quite the essay.

cannabis doesn't cause schizophrenia, i don't think. it can trigger it, but so can countless other things, like stress, trauma, alcohol, any other drug, etc.

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[quote]Originally posted by kosh:
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Recent studies have indicated, that 85% of skitzophrenics smoke tobacco. What this would suggest, is that they unconciously seek a chemical(nicotine) as a means of adjusting their brain chemistry in a favourable way. Sort of like we often crave the food the body requires. It has been found, that the nicotine in fact stimulates the area of the brain which is defficient in skitzoprenics.
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The relief of nicotine cravings releases seratonin -- it is no wonder schizophrenics smoke. Ditto for many people with less serious disorders. I have an anxiety disorder. Smoking marijuana does not really effect it one way or another -- though I have to be vigilant about smoking when I am relaxed and not stressed or I get very anxious. I also have to be vigilant about taking care of myself in general .. something I am not great at. But I have to agree with you that marijuana -- while not nearly as dangerous as alchahol, tobacco, speed, crank, heroin, pain pills, cocaine, skiing, sex without protection, driving, amyl nitrate, skydiving, rap concerts, etc etc etc -- has its risks. Some people just do not react to it well -- like some people can't drink milk without feeling ill. So, if in doubt, leave it alone.

Why do people get so thorny over this?

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Hotknife

Its funny I was watching a documentary on TV last night about cannabis causing mental illness. Basically it said, long periods of cannabis use can affect your brain, to much smoking can sometimes make you get paranoid, well its caused by chemicals reacting in your brain, (no shit) but dope is meant to trigger these chemicals, so as you can see, long usage of the drug, may affect the brain. I actually believe its true, I think anything you take for a prolonged time will affect you, Its life, no doubt, ecstasy, lsd, cocaine, Alcohol, even fucking coffee, (although don’t quote me on that), will affect your brain in time, the question is, put it in perspective, and its just harsh medical facts which scientists tell us every so often to scare people, its nothing to worry about as far as im concerned, I smoke generally at night to help me sleep, I feel refreshed in the mornings and it aids my peace of mind, I couldn’t smoke all day, although I did through college years, but learned it was a drug you have to take in the right circumstances, and that’s what its about, smoking for pleasure rather than relief.

moonchild

thnx, really interesting about schizophrenia and cigarettes. 85% hey?
i think lots of dope smoking can trigger latent schizophrenia, under the right (or wrong) conditions of psych. stress etc. there are so many variables that there is never any hard or fast rules about anything. thank the lord. it's more complex and vibrant and interesting than that.WE are more complex than that, so no formula will fit anyone. but i worry that theis generation, brought up on t.v., computer games, special effects, fast food,then add dope to the formula:...maybe they will be very alienated; maybe there will be lots more mental illness as a result of this combo.any thoughts?
also when mj becomes legal and accepted; the marketing will kick in. dope candies for children, like the alcopops. worrying. i don't think the future's going to be groovy.

Captain_Koons

Well honey is natural because they don't use chemicals. I mean chemicals like ammonia, or sulfiric acid. When it comes down to it, everything is natural since we got it all from earth, but what really natural stuff is simply from the earth without much altering or changing. There is a huge difference with a bee mixing necter and pollen (I think) than some guy melting a rock and welding its cooled form to some specially treated petroleum. (A knife with a plastic handle)

Dr. Jonez

Hi id like to say marijuana doens't cause skitzophrenia... first of all skitphrenia is caused by holes or cracks in the audio and visual department of your brain.. Whazt happens is when you get high anyway... the special stuff seeps into those holes causeing you to hear or see things.... its likely caused by climidia or ghonorea... get checked out... moreso than acid... get checked this shit is passible by mouth and is the most commong thing... good luck.. maybee the shit will heal.. else they do have good meds out....

osirus2020

wtf are you talking about nigga?

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Dr. Jonez

when weed becomes legal.... less people will be passing stds by mouth in any case.... wheter you hear shit or not.... only moorons can say otherwise...

roll

marijuana acting on dopamine levels is very likely to cause psychosis, schizophrenia like symptomatology and depression. actually i cant think of a drug that doesn't act per dopamine levels. barbiturates may act on serotonin levels but that doesn't means depression is not likely. the war on drugs is bs. but i wouldn't put drugs upon somebody that i know, because i know they wouldnt need it. the marijuana experience and the addiction experience are very different. the fact that the war on drugs is bs does not rest significance to the eventual studies on drugaddiction and its impact on physical health.

wiseco

Wtf is with noobs and bringing old fuckin posts up?

Dr. Jonez

Basically skitzophrenia is not caused by low dopamine levels... its caused by holes where the dope leaks out.. people have low dope and not be skitzo......
the medication they give does not cure skitzo but merely helps with the side efects... Weed is fine if your on the medication.... Some weed is good for skitzoness like pure indica plants like northern lights...

There are 2 differnet kinds of weed.. The Kind you smoke and want more... like the cheap shit. people sell alot ov... and stuff like northern lights.. you can smoke and be completely satisfied with high dope levels...

I think the problem is painfully obvios....

roll

you mean holes like the ones caused by mdmda?- what do you mean by holes
there are lots of kind of schizphrenia. and mj is known to cause amnesia, like a narcotic. it's like an exageration but is true. so far i'v only known one kind of mj the one when you want more. of course you'r satisfied but you still will want more the next day or whatsoever.

OldSchoolStylee

Neither cannabis nor MDMA causes holes in the brain

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nevertheless cannabis can cause schizophrenia like symptomatology, mdma, by itself is such a shitty drug. but i wont talk about it here. i guess what i was trying to say is that it doesn't matter. i heard about it, but yeah it doesnt sounds. nevertheless tha fact that cannabis acts per dopamine levels, it's not wonder why there might be several cases of schizophrenia like. and schizophrenia is not something you just recover, yes you can but it's very very very difficult. i just dont know what dr. was referring to. what i've heard is nicotine is good for schitzos, but marijuana, its still a debate. perhaps in some kinds of schizophrenia, caused by cannabis itself. the fact that the person who posted here not remembering the last two years is prove marijuana can cause addiction in the same levels as alcohol, coke. dopamine. dope..

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mj,after prolongued use there might be a variety of symptomatology that can address either to positive or negative symptoms of the labeled illness. the fact that there is a high risk of developoing such symptoms makes morphine seem like a very safe drug regarding mental health. at least in my experience and opinion. but is all a matter of opinion. you dont believe in cancer until you have it. anyways, perhaps makes it worse perhaps causes it. simply by viewing the dopamine action i'd suggest it indeed can cause it in every peep. an alcoholic didn't have problems beforehand, so i'd say is the same with all the drugs. none is safe if you go from the desireable effect to the toxicity and then to addiction- but thats just my opinion. then again using morphine might have their own symptomatology so i suppose there is no real soft drug. i believe using mj before mid age, or mid 20's makes it very likely to develop a handful of symptoms.