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Old 02-07-2003, 09:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Post A forum primer and FAQ

I was jolted into action today by <a href="http://www.yahooka.com/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=g et_topic&f=5&t=00075 9" target="_blank">this </a> thread concerning the Other Highs forum.

I have been meaning to start work on a FAQ for this forum for some time, and this thread gave me the inspiration to start. I think that a well-made FAQ for this forum would help to stem the flood of inane and repetative questions that have been asked time and time again. It would also be a source of credible information that is not based on persuasion or opinion, and it would open up the board to more interesting and unexplored topics of conversation.

Anyway, writing a general FAQ is quite a large undertaking. I hope it will eventually encompass most things, from ethnogens to synthetics, psychedelics to barbituates.

If you would like to contribute, it would be welcome... I will double check all content for accuracy, and make sure that the piece is unbiased and objective (I am sure other contrubutors will eventually aid in the revision process as well).

The preliminary breakdown will be according to the effect the drug ellicits, rather than its chemical classification. They will be as follows:

Ethnogens (generally not recreationally used. Usually used for tribal sacrement or divinatiion)

Stimulants (anything from meth to caffeine)

Euphoriants (should cocaine go here or with the stimulants?)

Psychedelics

Painkillers

barbituates (or other 'downers')

Disassociatives


THats all I can think of off the top of my head. Any suggestions are welcome...

If you think you would like to help with any particular area (there is plenty to be written about every one) please post here or send me a PM. As this develops, I will start to outline the specific drugs that go into each group, and otherwise try to bring this into focus.

If all the good minds on this board collaborate, I think we can produce a document or reliable information that the uninformed will find immensely helpful in their search for the truth.

I look forward to the rejuvination of this forum, but it cannot be done without your help...
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You could include a household highs type section, which would include the nutmegs, the cough syrups, etc. Maybe this section could also address what NOT to do: mix ammonia and bleach, etc.



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I once again apologise for the post about ammonia and bleach, I was high and I wasn't thinking about how dumb some people are.
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Great idea Greenthumb,
Looks like you may have taken a little cue from Lycaeum. (And that’s a good thing.)
I think this is just what the Other Highs forum needs to get back on track.
A fairly easy way to break it down would be:

Stimulants (Methamphetamines, Amphetamines, Cocaine, Piperazines)

Psychedelics (LSD, LSA, Tryptamines and Phenethylamine)

Depressants (Alcohol, GHB, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines)

Opiates (Heroin, Opium and Pharmaceuticals)

Dissociatives (PCP, DXM, Ketamine, N2O)

Maybe a category for botanical recipes and brews as you had previously suggested.

The only other category I could think of would have been for Deleriants. Although I would probably vote against this, as the thought of hundreds of kids with Scopolamine poisoning jumping off of buildings believing they are being chased by giant bulldozers doesn’t seem like such a good idea.

Hopefully everyone who bitches about how frustrated they’ve been with this forum as of late will also agree with me and give this a real push.

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yeah a Househole Highs would be a good idea...maybe research chemicals.
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hehe, household highs, has a nice ring to it dont ya think?
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are we trying to rewrite erowid here? how in depth are we looking to get? I understand the need for a quick faq, but to telle everything about every drug seems a bit ambitious to me. I'd suggest just having maybe a paragraph for each family of drugs and a sentence telling how each member of that family is different, along with a link to the erowid vault for each if more information is needed.
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good lord, ive been sugesting this forever. i dont even bother with this forum anymore, due to all the worthless questions and worthless answers. one can only correct a false statememnt so many times before it gets plain "old." bravo.
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Old 02-08-2003, 05:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I think thats a pretty good way to categorize things, Dr. Green Jeans. I would wonder where to put some of the psychedelic amphetamines such as DOB though...

I think an ethnogens section would probably encompass most deleriants, since they are rarely used recreationally. I think that things that are used recreationally but have had a place in ritual sacrament (I.E. psylocybe mushrooms, peyote, etc.) should be classed under their respective categories, rather than together with the ethnogens.

Snooch, you make a good point. I wasnt envisioning a rewrite of erowid, or even an in-depth discussion of specific chemicals... rather, I was thinking of a general description of the general effects of various (chemical) families of drugs, how they act, their potential for addiction, etc. There should also be a list of which chemicals fall into the family under discussion, with links to their respective pages at Erowid and Lycaeum. But, upon actually reading your post in its entirety, thats exactly what you suggest, so I guess we are on the same page.

Also, I would hesitate to make something about 'household highs'. Just think what sort of person that would encourage. I think that anything 'household' should be classified according to its activity, not its accessability. The information will still be there for anyone who wishes to find it, but it will still discourage the kids just trying to get fucked up until their next allowance rolls around.

Maybe a short section about methods of delivery (insuffulation, 'plugging' shooting, etc.) and the benefits and risks of each one would also be helpful...

Just a thought...

I hope I will be able to start writing a bit of this up in a few days or so... I will probably start with psychedelics and work from there... I have the least experience with Benzos and Piperazines, so if anyone is familiar with those families and would like to help take them on, please let me know... Otherwise, let me know what areas you are most interested in doing, and I will what we can do.

Hopefully, I will also be able to come up with a more concrete guide as to how this stuff should be formatted once I have a better idea of how the work is to be distributed.

Thanks again for your help, everyone! lets give this board a face lift, tummy tuck, and boob job, shall we?
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i'm personally sort of undecided what direction i think would be best for the forum, but lets use what jonesy posted for some peoples opinions.

obviously, a post that long would have to be reformatted, with bold headers, etc so it was navigable, but to pose some basic questions.

do you think there should be that much information presented on a specific substance? or more/less?

what are the most important factors to cover? dosage as it relates to safety & the experience? examples of peoples experience? legality issues? age/health/risk factors?

how much opinion invloved? focus on using pros & cons?

my basic thought that should serve as the groundwork: how indepth do we want this? i would think generally it would be one of the three.

a general outline?
a very indepth explanation of all issues?
a very brief dosage scale & links to other sites for pure information?


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I was picturing a brief and concoise paragraph on each of a few specific topics, followed by links to pages with further more in depth information.
So, now lets try to define which topics should be included:

1) name (the real chemical or plant name. We can have a link to Erowids table of slangs and stuff so people can find out what drug the slang names refer to without having to ask)

2)A brief description of the effects. I would like to avoid using one drug to describe the effects of another. Rather, I think we should stick to an objective vocabulary. 'mindfuck' 'body buzz''fractal patterns' 'ego death' etc. I will bet readings from Shulgin may help here...

3)Dose and usual methods of ingestion

4)Possible health risks -
This one is kind of tricky. Much is unknown about much of this stuff, and it is difficult to know which research to trust. I think that we should generally stick to the tried-and-true basics (i.e. opiates cause physical addiction, cocaine causes powerful psychological addiction, etc.) as new papers get written and shot down like so many clay shooting pigeons. Preferably this potentially lengthy paragraph should be limited to one or two sentences adressing each potential problem. Things such as cutting or lacing of the commercial product that could cause harm should be mentioned (MDMA, heroin, etc.)


Thats all I think should be said about anything, at most... plus a collection of links. Compounds that are little used or known will have much of it ommited, and will probably be mostly a name, dosage, and collection of links, maybe a description.

Let me know what you guys think... do we need all this? do we need more?
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***Painkiller FAQ by Twigburst***

1.What type of painkillers are there?
There are quite a few painkillers, so I will not list all of them, just the most popular. You have oxycodone(percocet, oxycontin) hydrocodone(vicodin, Norco,lortab),hydromorphone(Dilaudid)Codeine(tylenol #1-4, Codeine w/APAP, all of these are opiates then you have your opiod painkiller aka it isn't from the poppy. Methadone, Propoxyphene(Darvocet), Meperidine(Demerol)
2.What is a good starting dose for this drug?
Well weight is an issue, but for the most part the doses should be enough for everyone, I also do no suggest taking more then what is listed, as painkillers are not like cocaine, when you take more and more you feel like shit.
Oxycodone-15mgs-20mgs
Hydrocodone- 20mgs-30mgs
Codeine-100mgs to 130mgs (this can vary, but remeber codeine isn't as eurphoric as hydrocodone or oxycodone.
Hydromorphone-6-10 mgs
Methadone-10mgs-20mgs Note:This drug can last 24 hours so do not take more if you feel like its going away or else you risk chance of ODing if multiple doses are taken in a day.
Darvocet-(Propoxyphene)130-160 mgs
Demerol(Meperidine) 200-300mgs
3.What are some things I should avoid while on painkillers?
DO NOT drink alcohol, DO NOT take any type of depressants such as benzos (xanax, valium, klonopin, rohypnol, etc), DO NOT TAKE any sleeping pills (soma, ambien, barbituates)
DO NOT TAKE GHB, DO NOT TAKE anything that lowers heart rate. This is the mistake that causes most ODs as well as most deaths. If you are going to mix this shit don't even bother reading this cause you obviously don't care about safety. While this might not kill you, it will reduce many risks and the risk of death is present when mixing depressants with depressants.
4.What do I do to stop this damn itch?
Take an antihistamine such as benadryl.
5.How long til I get addicted?
Well usually for opiate addiction to really begin you need to use everyday for over a week, some people it can be 1 week some can be 3 weeks, but usually its around 10-14 days. This would be a mild addiction, though the withdrawl is never fun.
6.Can I shoot these pills with no physical damage?
No, shooting pills causes damage to veins as the pills have many fillers that are not water soluble. DO NOT shoot pills, this is dangerous and is an easy way to end up destroying your body.
7.What is a good price for painkillers?
Well price varies from place to place, it depends on how easy it is to get. If its impossible to get then its going to be worth more and if its always around it should be cheap. Generally the price is usually less then 20-25 dollars for a dose for the more euphoric painkillers and less for the less euphoric.
8.How do I know if my shit is real?
Post the pill id, the #s on rxlist.com, if you don't find anything search google, if nothing there its probally fake. I have yet to not be able to ID any recreational drugs. Oxycontin are the easiest to ID, as they have an OC and there dose on it.
9.What should I do if I'm taking an MAOI?
Talk to a doctor, this is EXTREMELY dangerous to mix, people have died when doctors mixed pain medication with people taking maois. I wish I could tell you a dose, but it would be dangerous and would cause more harm then good.
10.What do I do if I OD? What are the signs?
Well if you take the doses I listed this shouldn't happen, but for some reason you took more or you are hypersensative(extre mely rare) Signs of overdose are white skin, as in deathly pale white, profuse sweating, nodding out (falling asleep for a minute to an hour, though this is only a sign if all others are present), lowered breathing to the point were there is a good amount of time between breaths, slurred speech to the point in which talking is not possible, staggered walking to the point in which case you cannot stand up and of course the first sign is nausea, painkillers are supposed to be euphoric, if you feel sick you took too much. Nausea does not mean an OD, though it is the first sign to look for. Most important of all though is to watch breathing. If you listen to the doses this shouldn't be a problem. If an OD does happen call 911 right away, no bullshitting about this if an ambulance comes they will be able to bring them back as long as they are alive when they get there with the help of narcan (naloxone) which reverses the effects of opiates/opiods. Last but not least, NEVER TAKE THESE DRUGS ALONE unless you have some experience,(even then your risking your ass unless you know your shit) this is why most people die from opiates. They don't have to be sober, they just had to take a resonable dose.
11.What are the health risks of painkillers?
Well most of the physical risks come from the APAP mixed with the painkillers. Problems APAP can cause include liver damage if over 4 grams are taken in a day, or if used everyday for an extensive amount of time. If taking responsibly the most risks that come from opiates is addiction. Withdrawl can be really bad, just think of the flu mixed with an e crash and a hangover, well withdrawl would be worse then that and it lasts 5-14 days for some people, methadone withdrawl is almost double that time 10-30 days. Addiction for painkillers is fun til the pills run out then its hell. Demerol can cause convulsions in people that have a history of convulsions, though this isn't common.
12.What about tolerence?
If you use painkillers alot, as in 3 times or more a week you will need to take more then the listed doses over time, this isn't too hard to figure out, slowly bring the dose up, do NOT double the dose, try not to even go over a quater of the dose extra. Figure it out slowly, boost the dose up tolerence will be faster the more times a week you take it. Also, if you are constantly abusing painkillers remeber they will stop giving you the same feeling, and it will start getting more and more mild. Remeber though, don't eat over 4000 mgs of APAP, aka tylenol in any drug. Note:Methadone tolerence is different so be even more careful with that as tolerence takes about 2x longer.
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That is an excellent FAQ there, Twigburst... I think I actually like the idea of having in-depth info on a general family, and only limited info on such as names, common forms, and dosages on the specific compounds. (I will probably also do a short description of the effects when I write up the psychedelics too, as those can vary wildly). I will see if I can get these things posted (with a few very superficial changes, such as adding links, etc.) in the form of an 'announcement' in the next couple days... I will then add new sections as they are completed.

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Dissociatives FAQ by Rafiq (written in the same format as twigburst's)

1) What type of dissociates are there?
There are several, most commonly: Ketamine, PCP, DXM and Nitrous Oxide (N20)

2) What is a good starting dose?
This is kind of a complicated issue and you should check with erowid or similar resources for your specific dosage for your weight, but here's a start:
Ketamine (nasal): 30-100mg
Ketamine (oral): 50-300mg
Ketamine (injected): 15-75mg
PCP: 5-10mg
DXM (2nd plateau, oral): 400mg
N20: 1 shot

3) What are some things I should avoid while on dissociates?
Extremely high doses, overexertion, redosing (boosters), stressful environments, driving or operating heavy machinery--for more information, see the drug interactions section.

4) How do I stop this damn itch (while on DXM)?
Try an antihistimine... or just itch it... it won't harm you as long as you're not scratching your skin off.

5) Are dissociatives addictive?
DXM, Ketamine and N20 are not chemically addictive (I'm not sure about PCP), but habituation and psychological dependance can emerge from heavy use.

6) Prices?
Ketamine costs from $10/gm, Nitrous is around $1 per cartridge, DXM is $6 for a bottle of Robo max (360mg) or about $3 a gram if bought it bulk from a chemical supplier, I'm not sure about PCP prices (anyone?).

7) What are the signs that I'm ODing?
Well, we are talking about dissociatives so if you're overdosing, you're most likely not conscious because you've taken an anasthetic dose. Best case, you lose consciousness, maybe go into a short coma and then regain consciousness. Worst case, you lose consciousness, have a brain hemmoradge and die. It is extremely important to have a trip sitter present for high doses of dissociatves.

8) What are some health risks?
(this is not by any means a complete risk, but will get you started)
Onealey's lesions are potential in any dissociative and have been reported with heavy frequent use (it seems that PCP is most likely to cause them, ketamine least likely), brain hemmoradge and stroke can occour at extremely high doses. Like many drugs, panic attacks and psychotic breaks can be triggered in high doses, and depression has been reported in isolated cases of (generally) regular use. PCP has been shown to cause rhabdomyolysis, a condition where muscle cells break down, which is never fun. Non-DXM dissociatives have also been reported to cause respritory depression at high doses. DXM has been theorized to cause seretonin syndrome, and taking it in hydrobromide form may eventually lead to bromide toxicidy.

9) What about the effects?
Search the trip reports on erowid for an idea of dissociative effects.

10) Dissociatives and drug tests
DXM has been reported to cause the user to (in some cases, not always) test positive for PCP up to a week after use. PCP is tested for in the standard NIDA-5 test, Ketamine is not tested for in standard tests but is possible to test for, Nitrous is not tested for in standard drug tests.

11) Dissociatives and the law
Nitrous is legal to posess, buy and sell, dxm is legal to posess but is illegal to sell for human consumption without proper license, PCP is a schedule II controlled substance, ketamine is a schedule III controlled substance. As with most any substances, selling or marketing recreational effects or using these substances (even the legal ones) for recreational purposes is illegal.

12) Other risks and warnings
DO NOT TAKE CORICIDIN COUGH AND COLD (CCC) FOR DXM. You may have already used it several times, and if hasn't killed or severely injured you yet it probably will eventually. Generally, the greatest risk with new DXM users is to use a cough syrup with other active ingredients than just Dextromethorphan. Make SURE that your cough syrup lists ONLY Dextromethorphan HBr as the active ingredient. One example is Robitussin Maximum Strength Cough--and most any cough syrup that meets these requirements is called "cough" and not "cough and cold."

13) Fatal/Dangerous drug interactions of DXM
MAOIs, Desyrel, Serzone, bupropion, Fluoxetine and other SSRI antidepressants, phen-fen, Seldane.

14) Recreational interactions with DXM
Cannabis is frequently mixed with DXM and seems to strengthen the trip while also "smoothing" the jagged edges. LSD, shrooms and other hallucinogens have been mixed with DXM and other dissociatives with positive results, but watch your dose. Phenethylamines have also been mixed with DXM with positive results.

15) Mixing dissociatves
From the information I've seen, no immediate apparent heath problems or issues arise from mixing various dissociatives. If you plan on mixing any drugs, start with a low dose. It wouldn't be smart to start your experimentation by taking a K-hole dose of ketamine and 4th plateau of DXM...

That's my limited information on dissociatives, anyone feel free to add some more.
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I have a problem with the darvocet dosage, I took 600mg and didn't feel shit, I don't think anyone could feel less than 300.
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yah i agree that this has been needed here for a long time,

i will try to write something up in a couple days or something, but if this document ever gets put together i am requesting a large bold sentence at the top that says

DO NOT TAKE CORICIDIN COLD AND COUGH FOR DXM

and maybe repeat it like twenty times randomly throughout the article...
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Well I already did that for my dissociatives entry, but people who take CCC for dxm aren't generally the type of people who read up on a drug before doing it.
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Very nice entry rafiq... I will paste it in tonight, and start going through all the entries an putting in cross links and other shit. I think I can probably link to as many Erowid pages according to their <a href="http://www.erowid.org/general/about/about_copyrights.sht ml" target="_blank">copy right</a>. I will probably also include links to material at lycaeum, and a few others as well... and I will also work on putting in marker links within the post, eventually...
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Edited from last time....cut it down alot

Ecstasy FAQ - Written by mashead, edited by Jonesy

After Glow
Many people find after they have taken MDMA they will have an after glow which will lead them to feel happy and in a good mood from their experience, this can last a few days and is more likely to occur with occasional users and after your first few experiences.
Best by date
MDMA doesn't have a best by date as long as it is kept in warm stable conditions it will last for years.

Beveled edges
Some pills are pressed with a bevel on the edge, this means that on the outside of the pill there is an indented ring around it, this can be on either side or both.

Bombing or Parachuting
Bombing a pill means breaking a pill into powder and placing it in a small amount of tissue paper or a rizla and then swallowing. Because the pill is already broken up your stomach acids wont have to break the pill down so it will hit you faster and harder as it wont take time to absorb. A pill that has been broken down into powder can also be placed in a capsule for similar effect.

Coming up
When you take MDMA there is a period of time where you gradually come up, this can be speeded up by different methods of taking it or slowed down if the pill is hard pressed and will take a while to break down inside you, it can also depend in how recently you have eaten.
A come up could start after 15 minutes or it could be over an hour, you will gradually start to feel the effects spread through your body. It is not uncommon for people to be nauseaus during this time or even vomit, your stomach has many serotonin receptors inside it which will be stimulated and could cause you do feel nauseaus during this time.

Comedown
This is the after effects as your pill wears off, you will feel tired as the drug will have taken its toll on your body. The more you have taken the worse this will be and the longer it will last. Some people avoid comedowns and there are certain things which can be done to help with them. See Post loading.

Domed
Pills can be domed, this means that one or both sides of the pill is shaped like a dome, most domed pills are not scored.

Double, Triple, Quad dropping
These methods are taking more than one pill at once. People take more pills at once for a few reasons these include: Tolerance, Strength of pills and wanting to peak harder.
Taking more pills at once will give you a much stronger peak but the neurotoxic effects are worse the more you take and the effects last less time. The more pills you take the worse your comedown will be and taking more pills at once will probably lead to a tolerance developing where by you cant take less, moving onto taking more will always make it harder to go back, so keep that in mind.

Gurning
When you take MDMA a possible side effect is tension in your jaw, this can lead to involuntary movements and jaw grinding, this is commonly known as gurning.

Hallucinations
Hallucinating whilst on MDMA is not uncommon especially with higher doses, this can include open eye visuals (oev's) and closed eye visuals (cev's).

Heroin and Cocaine in pills
The Heroin and Coke in pills stories are myth, some pills have indeed been lab tested for heroin and cocaine although this is very rare and most of the pills which were tested for these were deemed as fakes sent in to labs to cause trouble. The reality of the story is that neither heroin or cocaine are orally active in the amounts that you would find in pills so there's no point in them being in pills, the amount needed to make them orally active would make for a big expensive pill, so its cheaper to put MDMA in pills.

MDMA
MDMA is methlynedioxymethamp hetamine which is more commonly known as Ecstasy. Ecstasy has been described as a hallucinogenic amphetamine although it is very hard to define MDMA as it is very different from most drugs. It lasts approximately 4-6 hours and will cause the user to feel euphoric, energetic, loved up, rushing, empathetic and even hallucinate. These are just a few common MDMA charecteristics.

Molly
Molly is a term used for MDMA powder or crystals which hasn't been pressed into pills. This is not as common as pressed pills in most areas.
Most commonly found drugs in pills sold as Ecstasy
MDMA, MDA, MDEA, Ketamine, Methamphetamine, Amphetamine, Ephedrine and Caffeine. Most pills will contain one of these or a combination of some of these.

Pill stamps and logos
Most pills are stamped with a logo, this however bares no indication on the contents. There are thousands of different pill stamps and it is impossible to tell a pills contents just by looking at it or the logo which is why buying a test kit is a good idea. Yes you can gain a rough idea as to whether your pills might be good from websites such as pillreports although even pills which sound alike and appear to be from the same batch could have different contents as there is no batch regulation.

Plugging
Plugging is rectal administration or putting it up your bum.
Plugging is more effective than swallowing or snorting and the absorption rate can be as high as 90%. There are two ways to plug, you can break a pill up and place it into a capsule and plug that or you can plug a pill whole. The breaking up of a pill into a capsule absorbs quicker most of the time as pills can be hard pressed and not break down as easy.
Plugging doesn't hurt and once you get it in it will slide up easily, it needs to go at least as far as your second knuckle on your index finger or as far as you can push it. Remember to go to the toilet before hand and if you need to go after plugging wait till you are peaking by this time it will have been absorbed. Using a condom over your finger is a very effective way of plugging as the lube from the condom helps and it's also more hygienic. Don't forget to wash your hands after!

Post loading
Post loading is the taking of vitamins and supplements after MDMA in order to decrease neurotoxic damage and replenish serotonin levels. Common post loads include 5HTP and Prozac.

Pre loading
Pre loading is the taking of vitamins and supplements before MDMA in order to reduce possible neurotoxic damage, pre loading with magnesium can also cut down or stop gurning.

Serotonin
Serotonin is a natural chemical in your brain that your brain is flooded with when you take MDMA, taking MDMA however depletes your serotonin levels.

Snorting or Railing
This is sniffing the drug, to do this you need to break up the pill or powder very finely and then using a credit card or other piece of stuff material cut it into lines. These lines will vary depending on how much you want to do, if you are snorting a whole pill it might be an idea to cut it into a few smaller lines and do them alternately with different nostrils.
It is common to use a note for snorting although any tube which fits in your nose and it fairly short will do e.g. a bit of a straw. Remember to breathe out before you start and work your way down the line breathing in through your nose. It will burn and some pills burn worse than others, it might be an idea to have a drink ready for when it drips down the back of your throat. This method will absorb more than swallowing and you will get a faster, higher peak but it won't last as long.

Testing
Testing of pills through various reagents can give an approximate idea of their contents, the most common is the ez test which contains the marquis reagent and can tell whether a pill is MD**, 2CB or Amphetamine, it can also be possible to distinguish Opiates and DXM with the marquis reagent.

Tolerance
Tolerance to MDMA is possible as you only have so much serotonin that you can use and once that is gone all you will get is speedy effects not ecstasy like qualities which are associated with the drug. It should take two weeks for serotonin levels to be replenished but after constant MDMA use it could take months for them to be fully restored.

Water
It is important to regain fluids lost through sweating whilst on MDMA, if you are dancing and sweating then approximately a pint of water an hour is a good idea to regain fluids lost. Don't over drink if you become very hot as MDMA stimulates a hormone in your body which will make you retain fluid so over drinking can cause serious problems such as hyponatremia.

5HTP
5HTP is 5-Hydroxytryptophan which is a direct pre cursor to serotonin so taking 5htp can combat the neurotoxic effects of MDMA and replenish serotonin.
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ooo, look at me, I'm a dumb mic who can copy and paste 2 pages of general info about MDMA into a post. guess what asshead, MDMA would go under euphoriants or stimulants, and we don't need that much info on a single chemical in the FAQ, that's what the links to erowid are for.
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