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Old 07-10-2003, 03:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Post Listen to this Band - The Gathering

I just finished posting a reply for the favorite female vocalist song topic and I mentioned this band and I realized I had to do them justice by starting thier own topic.

The Gathering

They are a metal band. One of the best ones I've heard in years - not NU metal - just hard riffs with alot of talent. The singer is a female and has an amazing voice. Some of thier newer stuff even melds into some softer jazzy kinda stuff and more melodic tones but they have a killer sound and the singer, again, is amazing. Its very atmospheric music good for when you're high and wanna sit back and just listen to great music.
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I dont agree with calling The Gathering metal, their hardest stuff is Mandylion, which, i'd say, is Hard Rock. Great band, and great music to listen to when smoking. My fav album of there's is "if_then_else", fav song is "Black Light District", "Broken Glass" or "Frail (You Might As Well Be Me)".

I would love to see them live in a small venue, like a jazz club or something.
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Old 09-26-2003, 01:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I posted this so long ago


I'm happy to see someone found it and was interested



But I'm sorry


No

The Gathering is metal



They types of guitars they use


the types of amps they use


the style in which they are recorded


All point towards metal


Same with how they record thier drums




its all stylistically metal


structured as metal


hard rock is not the gathering,


similarly


the gathering is not hard rock



there are many other ways I can attempt to prove my point to you


but I dont want to come off as arrogant


its your opinion






but




in my opinion you are wrong and either dont listen to enough metal or enough hard rock to be able to tell the difference


either that or you rate what is metal by something other than what you should be
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Old 09-27-2003, 07:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Smoke the Monkey
I posted this so long ago

I'm happy to see someone found it and was interested

But I'm sorry

No

The Gathering is metal

They types of guitars they use

the types of amps they use

the style in which they are recorded

All point towards metal

Same with how they record thier drums

its all stylistically metal

structured as metal

hard rock is not the gathering,

similarly

the gathering is not hard rock

there are many other ways I can attempt to prove my point to you

but I dont want to come off as arrogant

its your opinion

but in my opinion you are wrong and either dont listen to enough metal or enough hard rock to be able to tell the difference

either that or you rate what is metal by something other than what you should be
AHAHAHA!!!

Listen mate, music, and in particular, metal is my life. wherever i am there's always music playing and i know my shit. I dont wanna seem arrogant but The Gathering are not Metal. They may have been back in their 'Mandylion' days, but that is the last album where i can actually say they lean towards metal. Admittidly they're not a prime example of (Hard) Rock.

Look at their newer albums, 'Souvenirs' and 'if_then_else', please tell me what tracks are metal.

They have no characteristics of any form of metal, Death, Black, Thrash, Power, Prog, Stoner, Viking, Traditional, Doom, Industrial or Gothic. I read in Terrorizer that sometimes people refer to them as Trip Rock and to be honest i think that is the best description you'd be able to come up with. They follow no set path and each song is, sometimes, way different from the last, so to call them Metal and nowt else is pretty silly.

I dont wanna start beef or nothing, but compare them to bands like Krisiun, Darkthrone, Electric Wizard, My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Opeth, Red Harvest, Enslaved, Carnal Forge, Iron Maiden, Iced Earth or Lullacry.

And how the band records their music has absolutely nothing to do with what style they play. I could record a death metal album in a in Norwegian forest on a 4-track recorder, but it wont make it Black Metal.


If i seem like a cunt, i apologise.
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Old 09-27-2003, 12:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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AHAHAHA!!!

Listen mate, music, and in particular, metal is my life.
And you're the only person on the planet who feels that way I'm sure

Admittidly they're not a prime example of (Hard) Rock.

thats because they're metal

I dont wanna seem arrogant but The Gathering are not Metal. They may have been back in their 'Mandylion' days, but that is the last album where i can actually say they lean towards metal.

this where most metal fans get stupid. So you're admitting that they started off metal. So therefore they ARE metal. Yes thier albums have changed since then. But they are still metal. If i could get you to admit it once then I can get you to see things my way

Look at their newer albums, 'Souvenirs' and 'if_then_else', please tell me what tracks are metal.

The reason why YOU can't really call them metal is because nobody else in the field of metal has really done what they've done - which is why they are a great METAL band. Just because a song (or an album) deviates from the norm in the genre doesnt mean the song or the band left the genre. This is where recording style and equipment and sound comes into play. They're doing non metal songs in the STYLE of metal: thus they are a metal band. AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY YOU CAN CALL THEM HARD ROCK. And can you tell me what songs off of "souvenirs and "if then else" classify them as hard rock. I dont think so. you just feel tempted to say that they're hard rock because they've done something completely different to your idea of metal that you dont want to let them in your precious little community.


They have no characteristics of any form of metal, Death, Black, Thrash, Power, Prog, Stoner, Viking, Traditional, Doom, Industrial or Gothic.


And I thought you said you knew your shit. If you did you'd be able to pick up a that they share a bit more than a few characteristics of a few of those styles (which makes them a metal band) its just that they dont stick to one style - but they pick up a few bits and pieces here and there and do what they like with it. Hard rock doesnt do that. Hard rock is alot more rigid than metal.. But hard rock fans are no where near as rigid as metal fans. Metal has MANY MANY styles and subcategories and the such. Hard rock is hard rock. Plain and simple. The gathering is not hard rock.

I read in Terrorizer that sometimes people refer to them as Trip Rock and to be honest i think that is the best description you'd be able to come up with. They follow no set path and each song is, sometimes, way different from the last, so to call them Metal and nowt else is pretty silly.

Music magazines are shit. (thats a pretty general statement, but If i gave you a reason why I feel that way you'd probably agree with me but it would take up the entire page to do so,... and its really off subject - so please just treat that last statement about music magazines as an opinion and leave it alone). Back to the subject at hand - I would not call them trip rock. But if you want to invent a name for them, than at least give them the credit and the backing of the community that they deserve and call them Trip Metal. Will that make it easier on you? Will you be more accepting then?

I dont wanna start beef or nothing, but compare them to bands like Krisiun, Darkthrone, Electric Wizard, My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Opeth, Red Harvest, Enslaved, Carnal Forge, Iron Maiden, Iced Earth or Lullacry.

How are you starting beef here? Wow, you can name metal bands. I can name three countries on the North American Continent, how about you? Next time don't mention beef and there will be none. You could have just said "compare them to _______" and you wouldn't have seemed like an idiot. I mean c'mon you're the only person who responded to this thread in like three weeks - I automatically assume you know at least a little bit more than the average person about metal. I give you that much respect. Please do the same for me.

Anyway.. can you tell me how My dying Bride compares to Iron maiden? How about how slayer compares to Amorphis. Or how deicide compares to Earth Crisis. Not very many comparisons can be made, though few. Why? because while they are all metal bands, they are very different styles of metal.

And bringing up Amorphis. Think of Tounela. Would you then go as far as to say that Amorphis is not metal because of that album. Would you call them hardrock because of Tounela? I didn't think so.


And how the band records their music has absolutely nothing to do with what style they play. I could record a death metal album in a in Norwegian forest on a 4-track recorder, but it wont make it Black Metal.

Ok this is the worst statement you've ever made. How ANY band in ANY genre records thier music DIRECTLY effects the genre in which they lay. They are recorded and mastered and mixed to sound like metal. They are metal. Accept it already. They are metal. THEY ARE A VERY GOOD METAL BAND, partly because it is so difficult to call them metal.


If i seem like a cunt, i apologise.

I always though apologize was spelt with a "z"










and by te way

I will even admit that the point of my entire post is pretty fucking stupid

You said you like the band, which is cool

In my opinion, though, they are so clearly metal.

Categorization is stupid though... especially when it comes to a band that uses such different sounds

My main point though is that pretty much most of thier songs on each album (although they might not be a metal song) are done stylistically to sound like metal.

thank you I'm off to work
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Old 09-28-2003, 05:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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3 things:

1) I cant be fucked to pick apart your reply to then get nowhere.
2) I'm just gonna agree to disagree.
3) I'm English, so I spell words like "apologise" in the correct way.

But one thing, you said that the way things are recorded directly affects the genre its in. How so? Isn't is obviously that the music is what defines what genre it is?

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3 more things:

1) I'm aware of what you could probably say to pick apart my post. When I leave holes in my logic I usually don't go back to fix things - it could be because I'm lazy - or it could just be that I usually just let other people go back to point and say "look look" and then I smile to myself because I already knew that, but they feel better because they found something to point at.

2) I could agree with that

3) You spell words like apologize in the "correct way" for an Englishman. You didn't invent the alphabet, nor the language, nor most of the words - most of everything you and I say is borrowed and adapted - so what it comes down to is that There are more standard american english speakers and writers than there are standard english(uk) speakers - so have fun in your tiny little island thinking you rule the world, when in fact you got kicked out years ago (oops, We're supposed to be friends right now - uhhh - americans are stupid, we know it, if we can accept it so should you)




and finally No, recording styles and techniques directly effect how a song or an album will be percieved and what kind of music it will be perceived as. There are many ways to manipulate recorded sound. And within a genre, most people choose to manipulate the sound in the same fashion - thus strengthening the definition of what thier genre is.

As a VERY basic (and maybe not so good) illustrative point - think of a synthesizer(keyboard ) and a live drum set

Keyboard synthesizers come with many different kinds of drum kits Most of them are labeled "rock kit" "jazz kit" "r&b kit" "dance kit" - so when you hit the key for a kickbass drum hit - while in reality you are supposedly playing the same instrument - what your ears will hear will be completely different if its a kickbass drum hit from the rock kit or the jazz kit or the r&b kit or whatever, why , because the synthesizer manipulates the sounds of the kickbass hit to mimic the waythat the live drum would be recorded for a jazz song or a rock song or an r&b song

now from this very basic idea

you should realize that there is a standard drumset
but you can record that drumset- fit to certain filters or microphones or effects or whatever - to make that one live drumset sound as it should for an r&b track or for a rock track or for a metal track - whatever sound you want

from this very basic idea - what I am saying - is that with the way the vocals are recorded, with the way the guitars are recorded and with the way the drums are recorded, the way everything is recorded, combined with the way that all these elements are MIXED together for the final package - The Gathering is recorded to sound like a metal band, they're just not absolutely sticking to strictly metal in thier music - (although on many tracks they are indeed playing metal) on the ones that are not metal, they are packaged together to sound metallic

Thats my point

Thats why I call them a metal band
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Old 09-29-2003, 01:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 09-29-2003, 02:17 PM   #9 (permalink)
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damn


that worked



all that was was one fucking letter and it worked


fuck


anyway

was my point any better or worse or at least clearer as to what I meant with that whole keyboard thing and recording styles or was it all just a bunch of stupid crap that just recircled what I had already said
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yeah it was clearer. I understand where you're coming from n all, but i just don't think they're metal. They were but not anymore, but thats just me.

Anyway, if we continue arguing we'll get nowhere. peace!
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