j-wonder

What do u think about this? I heard someone say this to me today, and as I tried to argue against it I found myself having trouble pointing out why this is wrong....I still think it is, but I am less convinced then I have been in the past....

For you to truly support a war, you must be so convinced of its worthiness that you would fight along with anyone else who fights.....in other words, the people who make the decision to go to war, should be the same people who go out and fight it.

PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME FIND HOLES IN THIS ARGUMENT....it is very unnerving.

kamikazi89

I can't fight the logic....

I would only say that if you

may have fought in a war

you may have come to think

it was wrong....

or question it

anyway

kamikazi89

don't you support the war enough to fight in it?

thats ok...niether did Bush or Chaney...

did not speak well of that war...






or of them

j-wonder

i support the war.....at the very least i support a war against terrorism....A WAR, not necessarily THIS war.....but I still wouldnt fight in a war against terrorism....

I think the bottom line is that as long as there are enough people who fight voulentarily (i.e. they feel stronly about supporting the US and its leaders and directions to fight for them) then the war is ok....

its like aristotles "good soldier" who does as he is told without regard for the morality of orders.... i dunno.?

All i know is one thing :

Drafting citizens into a war which they do not wish to fight doesn't seem right, or good....but as war is necessary in some cases.....I FUCKING DONT KNOW.....i wish they would just legalize marjiuana - everyone could get stoned, be happy, and not worry about all the bulshit that this world goes thru on a daily basis....

JC

It definately is an interesting topic of discussion, but its just not realistic.

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Ego Tripping

I think I understand what you mean ultimately. During the great battles in early history, the commander in chief was always out on the field with his support. But technology has allowed man to become more precise and efficient in eliminating one another. Now we can have one individual (or a certain group) pressing buttons and pulling strings to command the armies. The person(s) in charge don't even need to believe in the cause since they put themselves at no risk.

The draft is wrong, but really puts things into perspective when you think about it enough.

kamikazi89

Instituting the draft would politiciz those who would be

drafted





That's why it was ended

j-wonder

hopefully that strategy will continue to work.

kamikazi89

you have the most profound understanding of self interest

jamf

What do you do let a country like Nazi Germany take over the world or do you fight? I dunno sometimes it comes down to self defense. But in the end most wars are about money and power. Yet still people will believe the sugarcoating that justifies the war even if its untrue.

Draft is good. The majorty of those in the army come from poor backrounds with little economic opportunity. Look at the crazy bitch in all the pics about prison abuse. They interviewd her mother .... at a trailer park.

People with things to lose arent gonna fight a war without good reason. This Iraq war is just plain ridculous. No weapons of mass destruction. Hussein had nothing 2 do with 9/11 or Al Quaeda. It was just an excuse to take some oil.

j-wonder

but even then, do u think everyone is going to support a war to the point that they ought to FIGHT in it? i dont think so at least.

Ego Tripping

I was at a bar tonight, got to talking with this dude who was stationed in Iraq during the early occupation. He said their direct orders were to seize the oil fields and to ignore all immedidate civilian help and support until seizure was complete. It's so obvious.

kamikazi89

no...only those opposed to it, or objecting on moral
ethical or conscientious grounds...

how would u declare your objections j?

if conscripted...

snapshot

I don't get why there wasn't a coup in Iraq with all of these insurgents that are attacking us. My logic would be if people in a country want to fight a war, fight away, but if those bullets come anywhere near me, you've just involved one more person.

If the people who join the army want to join because they want to defend their country instead of attack one that's attacking them I think that's just nutty. It's like those asshole that go out looking for fights by using their hot girlfriend as bait instead of sticking up for her when she's being threatened or attacked.

There's no fucking point to war except people haven't learned how to speak their language correctly and understand what the other guy is trying to say. We would have a good one world government by now if people weren't so fucking religious all the time. Beliefs are the biggest fucking barriers when it comes to communication, why the fuck is their war now that language has been invented? Power corrupts, and those who are corrupt seek power, those fuckers, give them their own planet to fuck up.

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Dezzy

were is this oil you fuckin dumb fuck

SmokeSomeDoja

i think our continuing policy in the middle east (pnac) is to not only tighten our grip on oil, but also to take out any threat to israel, and also to screw over the subhuman brown people

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I know this guy who's theory is that the USA is messing with the middle east on both sides to prevent peace from arriving beause it they attain peace, they might unite (in European Union type fasion) and form some super Arab state, which, with all their people and all their oil money would have some serious power.

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SmokeSomeDoja

^yea, i really agree with that too, we dont want peace over there because it gives us less control over the region

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SmokeSomeDoja

and also be a serious threat to israel

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joekidd11

"was at a bar tonight, got to talking with this dude who was stationed in Iraq during the early occupation. He said their direct orders were to seize the oil fields and to ignore all immedidate civilian help and support until seizure was complete. It's so obvious."'


No shit we seized the oil fields when we first got there dumbass! Hussein could have blew them all to hell when we invaded! I'm tired of all this bullshit...I feel a fuck of alot safer with guys over there in iraq. And stop fucking cryin about legalizing weed. Dudes it will never fuckin happen! Its because of all of these stupid fuckin kids who go out partyin and start with weed and end up doin quad bars, speed and smokin ice and gettin themselves so fucked up that there perma-stoned for the rest of there lives.