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Old 01-30-2005, 01:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What makes comedic genius?

I ask this for a specific reason.

For instance, what makes Ali G. work? Why is it so damn funny? How does he get away with it.

I believe it is the GIFT of his racial background. No one suspects that an arab is ripping on them and I suspect it is because some underestimate the intelliect and humor of m inorities. This gives minorities a clear and open channel to fuck with people relentlessly because it will be a while longer before these people begin to realize what's happenning. All because of the target underestimating the comedians intelligence.

Do you agree?

I ask for a very important reason. I've said before that my long dream (bigger tha my band) has always been to do comedy. Watching Ali G. inspires me like you'll never know.

So I'm talking with some people and I may get a financier to help make me a pilot. I will be fuckng with the people of the south in much the same way. I will choose only the affluent since they have the hardest time with accepting my intelligence and status. They also have more to lose by attacking me as they will surely want to when I get thru. Tis is much more dangerous for a woman. Plus, rich people are often more stupid and more arrogant, it's the perfect combo. This flaw will continue to make them my bitches. It willbe hilarious.

What do you guys think of all this?

You know I'm retarded. You know, I'm a subtle staight faced smart ass. And you know I have too much time on my hands.

Will this work?
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no one knows what makes something work..its either in your cards or not and alot has to do with genetics. Some people the comdey flows natural like robin williams. He is totaly spontanious the man cant sit still in an interview hes performing for the crowd.
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Old 01-30-2005, 02:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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no one knows what makes something work..its either in your cards or not and alot has to do with genetics. Some people the comdey flows natural like robin williams. He is totaly spontanious the man cant sit still in an interview hes performing for the crowd.

You know, I may not be good for much. But I am good for fucking with people.

And you know why else I think it'll work? Most woman are too caught up in image to feel comfortable going on TV dressed like an idiot. I don't have a problem looking like an idiot ANYWHERE.

I've got 3 "characters" in mind. Ali G. inspired one because he is defianately funniest when he's acting black. Hirlarious when he keeps saying Jamaica is his motherland while dressed all gangsta and shit, right?

My 1st and funniest character will be The Black Goth Chick. I'm going all out with this shit too. I already sorta look like a witch as it is. This is gonna be full blown goth emo chick. Ya'll bitches are gonna cry when you see me play this chick. I'm gonna keep claiming to be from the caucus mountains and I'll keep shoutin out Russia. I'll big up Russia every chance I get and do it with a straight fuckin face like Ali G.

Do you think that'll be funny? I'm gonna wear my collar...


I'm gonna go to goth and S&M clubs to interview, too. Well, where nobody knows me, that is, or they'll already know I'm up to no good.
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qell dont try to emulate ali g when people try to use the same formulas even though they may be differnt it never works have to come up with somthing totaly differnt
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qell dont try to emulate ali g when people try to use the same formulas even though they may be differnt it never works have to come up with somthing totaly differnt
Do you think the black goth chick is too similar to Ali G's white gansta? I mean with a totally different scene and look... just similar, um how do I say it, foundations?

I won't be as loud with the slang and all cause I have to be very morbid and almost suidcidal all the time. The humor is in a different vein in that it is ALL sarcastic and never smiling. Do you know what I mean? Still too alike, though?
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I never said nothing about the goth chick I was talking about "big up" or something you had said
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I never said nothing about the goth chick I was talking about "big up" or something you had said
Oh, ok I understand now.

Now I just saw an episode when Andy Rooney starts to cancel the interview haha and Ali G. says "Is it because I'm black." Now I would say something like that lke, "Do you have something against Russians?" I would say that with a straight face but not exactly the same...

Come on, we can't help but emulate our heroes a little. They paved the way...
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And you know who would be my Borat character?

A little old Haitian lady. I can do my grandmere down pat! And I would dress like her too and do her walk that shit would be piss urself hiralious.

I'm sure I'd get disowned agin, but so what? Happens every couple years anyways, bout time to be shunned again.

Nobody would suspect a little old Haitian lady was pulling shit on them!!

I betcha I can get into the U.N. But they'd disown me forever...


Can a mod please move this into artist forum cause I wanna use this thead to toss around comdy writing ideas. I realized this isn't quite the right forum for creative stuff.

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Old 01-30-2005, 06:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Im a big fan, but i thought ali g was jewish
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just curious who gave you a deal to do a show ?
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HP, I think ur right. But ewhen he plays Borat as an arab that's when he gets people the best.

BLS, actually I've done a show befpre so I do have a little minor league experience. I've done some stand-up comedy, fucked around on Ricki Lake pranking with a friend ( I still can't get a copy of that episode), and in my current profession you mightbe amazed how much quick witted comedic skills payoff. Even my band was a riot. Come to think of it, I've always been a comedian... just never qute "classified".

In manhattan, on Time-Warner cable there used to be public access TV. Robin Byrd the porn start madeit big this way. A couple friends of mine who ran Manattan agencies used to advertise this way. I got a connection into this dude doing a weed show...

I was the 2nd host on this weed show. He was dead serious and I was a retard who wore docs, babydoll dresses and had bluish dreads at the time (riot grrrl years). I used to wear all my piercings and act like a fool. It was great times but I looked crazy. That show later got brought up on me in court (Jersey Cty) on an evictionproceeding. hahah I still think I got an unfair trial after the judge heard about the show. That was an unfair admission in the 1st place...

Ahhh, I got stories. I tell escort stories when I do stand up.


EDIT: I wanted to get workman's comp o this show cause he used to FORCE ME to smoke more weed than I could handle. I was mad young too. My lungs are probably still seriously hurt from being forced to constantly inhale for the whole set.
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Old 01-30-2005, 08:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What you are descrbing of a russian character and hatian is the SAME formula. Even if they were done I cant see it very funny. maybe if she was a jamaican instead of hatian.. the average jow cant recognize a "hatian" accent but most of us can laugh our ass of at a Jamican accent

I would still start from scratch and get a whole new formula.


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By the way George Carlin is be definition the best
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I don't know what you call this vein of comedy but now that I think of it, there is a basic formula like when Tom Green did it or anywalk around doing stupid interview comedian. Maybe that basic formula exists because it works but with little variatios on it.

I was thinking somehting else that would make mine orignal is the type of people I could rip on. Or better yet, would rip on. Nobody is stupid enough to gte a gangssta rapper int his kind of position... except me. I'm that stupid.

I hate Lil' Kim. I'd love to rip her a new asshole and it'd e easy. She might not know what Ive done til she got home. Maybe urkin a hardcore rapper on camera would be cool No one's done that yet.

I could go in a suit B.E.T. news style and act uptight and professional, you know what I mean.

Diffreent ideas I haven't seen done yet I'm just kickin em around...

You know what? I'd do Farrakhan. I'm THAT stupid.
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you seewhat i mean though do your own dont go to the streets talking to people its been done got to tihnk of something fresh totaly new something no one has done. Not trying to bring you down just being honest. It is hard to make a gimmick work just have to keep at it.
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Old 01-31-2005, 05:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Well, here's something new for dat ass...

It hit me today and it felt beautiful.

I wanna run an ad in our weekly entertainment newspaper here requesting 5 other retarded, don't give-a-fuck bitches to do this show. We can do sketches (been done New Kids in the Hall) or we can harrass people as a collective. Collective assholes we'll be. I was thinking because in reality it will take alot of footage to get one funny episode.

Who's gonna carry the cameras and lights for all this? I wanna get people in the club or outside of nightclubs so we'll need 2 people carrying floodlights and a camera person. Everything is funnier to me when there are others to play off of anyways. So that always leaves 3 chicks free to cut up. Plus, I wanna get behind the scenes and do more writing. I dpn't want the whole show to be just me. I'd like it if 6 of us shared equal equipment lugging time time and switched off on who would be the on-camera village idiots next.

Now, that's new, ain't it?

All girls, and believe me this is unlady like as girls have ever been on TV. Way past Jenny McCarthy farting and shit. Real humor. Yeah, I'm feelin this...
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your a big black stupid fatass, tantric.

Comedy works in a number of ways, because it makes people feel, basicly superior. They laugh when they are superior to something, maybe they think they know something a charector on screen doesn't, like the Kick Me sign on his back, which he doesnt realize is there but you do. Play on words and other quick mental riddles that people may laugh at because they GET it, and feel smarter than perhaps those who don't get the pun or inside inforomation that the "laugher" does, the joke makes them feel smarter, better, faster, whatever, than the "butt" of the joke. Bush jokes work all the time because so many people like to feel superior to the president of the free world. Its not a matter of fucking race at all, or gender (well, acutally i've watched a LOT of stand up comedy, and women fucking SUCK at being funny, and I mean SUCK ASS at it)

There IS a science to comedy tantric, its not built on some bullshit theory you pulled out of your anus just to make a thread.
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I have watched a lot of stand up as well, I can think of maybe one woman (out of possibly over 500) that was in any way notable, and I cant remember her name.

Tantric im sorry but your idea for a pilot is very... bluntified. Most comedians that have tv shows worked the stand up circuit for like 20 years before anyone even gave a shat who they were.. and even then they were related to someone in the industry.

Ali G is Jewish.

Your character ideas dont sound entertaining in the least. Not in the sense of irony or intelligence or anything.

Im not saying youre not intelligent, im saying those ideas are horrible short sighted.

If you really think you can do something, try to do a local BET show. I know they sponsor a lot of stand up in random places throughout the country, and theyll let almost anyone perform.

Real comedic genious isnt something you just decide you want to create some day. These people can make anyone laugh at any time through any medium, including forums or chat.
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Sounds like fun Tantric, let us know when you're gonna go through with it cuz it sounds like some entertaining stuff.

Definately, I'll post a clip as soon as we get started. The ad idea isn't that original, as YOU read below and maybe a couple other didn't, I have done a show before and other comedy venues and it's like music. Trial and error.

Now that I've accomplished all that I have in music you can't believe how many people tried to talk me out of that success. Of course it was never the people with good intentions anyways. When somebody who I think isn't miserable with thier own empty life tells me to stop... eh, I'll probably ignore them too...lol

That's that the formula that makes the winners. The risk takers.

This is gonna be one hell of a fun to make "risk". If anybody is close and wants to do something with us, lemme know.

I'll keep ya'll updated as we go. It's definately in motion now for sure.
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comedy isn't just about telling jokes, alot of it is about timing. most humour comes out of nature, out of a sacred place. i still don't understand why people laugh. we just make a bunch of sounds with our mouths open etc because we totally relate to something. well, something like that. i like it though, best medicine ever. bill hicks was the king. he made jokes out of everything that is in the rock songs, so that's how he was in a way, a rockstar. he didn't care what people thought, but he still respected the audience. he went for all of the controversial subjects and admitted that he was a preacher. he was always right, always energetic, always original and would always make the audience feel like ONE.
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