Torture in America, ITS REAL AND SYSTEMATIC. - Page 3

snapshot · 11-01-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by derexan

Umm yes our government works the way it's written on paper, it's called the fucking constitution. At leas they try to stick to it.

There's a lot of different ways that people go about interpreting the constitution.

Waves · 11-01-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by snapshot182

There's a lot of different ways that people go about interpreting the constitution.

"5.Thou shalt not kill"

*GWB reading bible*
GWB: It says here that killin's bad, ma.
GWB's mom: Only when you actually kill them, honey! Making the decision doesnt get any blood on your hands!
GWB: Lets kill some brown people and suck israels cock some more!

The Rev · 11-01-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by One-Of-The-Few

WATCH http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8451.htm

hey this is to frodo derexan and the rest of the ignorants who keep saying that the american government doest kill, and torture american citizens....

GUess what it does and the worst abuse has been under Bush in texas and bush in florida....yeah freedom woot. now watch and read and don't bother replying unless its with acceptance of the facts. i could care less about your opinions, as they are based on indoctrination, not facts or reality.

and you are right the senators and burocrats dont do it, they have the corrections guards and wardens do it and then they promote them to be the head of the prison system.IE FLORIDA.

America's Brutal Pris

Concluding the special season of programmes examining the use of, and justification for, torture in the war against terror. The pictures from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq caused an international scandal but President Bush assured the world that only a few individuals were to blame. This was not the American way of treating prisoners. Using extraordinary film footage this hard-hitting film captures a widespread culture of brutality inside prisons across the United States. Included in the footage are scenes showing prisoners stripped naked and ordered to crawl along the floor, prisoners choking to death, shackled in restraint chairs, prisoners doused in pepper spray, large areas of their bodies severely burnt, juveniles beaten and kicked by prison officers and the use of a electronic stun gun to force a handicapped man into a wheel chair. In a journey across America, lawyers, relatives and former inmates all highlight that Abu Ghraib was not an isolated incident. Abuse of prisoners is happening today in America's own back yard.

If you missed it on History Television, then get a copy on DVD or tape
or watch it on one of the most valuable sites around

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8451.htm

but this is the hard truth about your tyrranical country

http://www.historytelevision.ca/tv/s...itle_87749.asp

The prison guards stand over their captives with electric cattle prods, stun guns, and dogs. Many of the prisoners have been ordered to strip naked. The guards are yelling abuse at them, ordering them to lie on the ground and crawl. ‘Crawl, motherf*****s, crawl.’

Another prisoner has a broken ankle. He can’t crawl fast enough so a guard jabs a stun gun onto his buttocks. The jolt of electricity zaps through his naked flesh and genitals. For hours afterwards his whole body shakes.

Lines of men are now slithering across the floor of the cellblock while the
guards stand over them shouting, prodding and kicking.

WATCH http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle8451.htm

Derexan you do realizse now that you have to go take out bush and bush and all those americans responsible for this...becasue you justified taking out saddam and his government for some of the same reasons. get going , you have a job to do, one that can actualy be justified.

Well, DUH!!!!

People are people, no matter where you go. Just because our prisons are in a modern country doesn't mean people are somehow different here.

The Rev

Waves · 11-01-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

Well, DUH!!!!

People are people, no matter where you go. Just because our prisons are in a modern country doesn't mean people are somehow different here.

The Rev

The problem is people buying into the whole stars and stripes bullshit, and believing they live in the "home of the brave" etc... when in reality our country commits just as many crimes against humanity as a the next country. its like that alllll over the world people

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 11-01-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by derexan

Umm yes our government works the way it's written on paper, it's called the fucking constitution. At leas they try to stick to it.

yes if that was true half of the laws on the books wouldnt be there, and patriot act wouldn't even been though off. if that was true things that video presents wouldn't have happened. the thing is the constitution means jack shit as its not those who swore to abide by it that are making the decisions...its ok derexan you will never understand indoctrination, or reality .

Tokey · 11-01-2005, 04:23 PM

I cannot fucking believe Derexan thinks that state govt trumps federal govt, when he says "...except in national matters." OOTF has a point if someone is about to be beaten to death in front of you without being able to defend himself, you have to do something, if you dont that makes you just as guilty as the person who commited the offense. Derexan said it himself in a previous quote, "Evil triumphs, if good men do nothing." He was talking about the Iraq war though. Idiot.

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 11-01-2005, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by derexan

No, I think you need to understand the concept of "responsibility" . The federal government telling a state prison what to do, isn't how things are run.

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DEALS WITH FEDERAL PRISONS

STATE GOVERNMENT DEALS WITH STATE PRISONS.

End of fucking story.

whoa whoa whoa so its ok for your federal gov to go out and tell other countries that torture is bad and bomb the fuck out of them but its wrong for them to take responsibility for what is happening in their own country. AMERICA IS A JOKE. YOU ARE A TOOL. I HOPE SOME PISSED OFF NON WHITE MAN IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY IMPALES YOUR ASS WITH AN IGLA.

SmokeSomeDoja · 11-01-2005, 08:57 PM

haha, im starting to really like your posts ootf

snapshot · 11-01-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

"5.Thou shalt not kill"

*GWB reading bible*
GWB: It says here that killin's bad, ma.
GWB's mom: Only when you actually kill them, honey! Making the decision doesnt get any blood on your hands!
GWB: Lets kill some brown people and suck israels cock some more!

eh?

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 11-01-2005, 09:35 PM

don't mention it man

Derexan FYI

THIS IS AN IGLA

GreenNugs · 11-02-2005, 03:13 AM

my 2 cents...

torture seems to be every where...

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 11-02-2005, 06:57 AM

wow you are a tool.

Waves · 11-02-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by derexan

No, we really shouldn't be telling other countries what to do about torture, considering we have done quiet our share of it with our "oursourcing" of detanies to torture-legal countries.

America isn't a joke. We pwn everyone.

Everyone except half of europe and jewish people. and japan. and soon china.

If we "pwn" so much how come we cant even catch bin laden? or stabilize iraq? or help OUR OWN PEOPLE DIEING IN A HURRICANE/FLOOD? SHIT WE CANT EVEN GET INTO THE TOP 10 ON STANDARDIZED TESTS, YOKEL!

America pwns at sucking, thats what I say.

11-02-2005, 09:23 AM

I agree with u buddy.totally agree on all accounts of everything you said.Alot of the stuff that derexan says reminds me of the kind of arguments my dad throws at me when we are debating on goverment issues.

Waves · 11-02-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by higherlearner84

I agree with u buddy.totally agree on all accounts of everything you said.Alot of the stuff that derexan says reminds me of the kind of arguments my dad throws at me when we are debating on goverment issues.

Yep, its all the same media-fed bullshit. and if you dont get it from the media, you got it from someone who did, or your just lying. Its the same "cant happen to me" mentality that fucks up so much shit in the world nowadays. PEOPLE ARE TORTURED EVERYDAY! People die from AIDS everyday! People are raped everyday! It CAN happen to you!

Kishar · 11-03-2005, 06:32 AM

If only we would do to our people of this country what others do to their own there would be alot less crime. If you knew you would be put to death for a crime such as robbery or another violent act you would be alot less likely to commit that crime. So in my eyes what you see on these tapes is justified in most cases. It's really not that severe unless you have blinders on to the real world. You gotta remember the inmates they are dealing with are murderers, rapists, child molesters, muggers, gang-bangers...I could keep going but you get the point. These people are the gutter of society and have been punished, they don't deserve to live a happy life. The End.

GreenNugs · 11-03-2005, 08:59 AM

^word...

snapshot · 11-03-2005, 10:23 AM

You're biased.

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 11-03-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kishar

If only we would do to our people of this country what others do to their own there would be alot less crime. If you knew you would be put to death for a crime such as robbery or another violent act you would be alot less likely to commit that crime. So in my eyes what you see on these tapes is justified in most cases. It's really not that severe unless you have blinders on to the real world. You gotta remember the inmates they are dealing with are murderers, rapists, child molesters, muggers, gang-bangers...I could keep going but you get the point. These people are the gutter of society and have been punished, they don't deserve to live a happy life. The End.

umm douche bag a teenager in a sealed glass room sitting in a chair who is detained for mischief doenst deserve to be gassed with pepper oil for hours at a time. a guy in jail for GTA doesnt deserve to have his skin burned of with chemicals...THATS WHATS HAPPENING DUMBASS.

Tokey · 11-03-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kishar

If only we would do to our people of this country what others do to their own there would be alot less crime. If you knew you would be put to death for a crime such as robbery or another violent act you would be alot less likely to commit that crime. So in my eyes what you see on these tapes is justified in most cases. It's really not that severe unless you have blinders on to the real world. You gotta remember the inmates they are dealing with are murderers, rapists, child molesters, muggers, gang-bangers...I could keep going but you get the point. These people are the gutter of society and have been punished, they don't deserve to live a happy life. The End.

This is probably one of the stupidest fucking things anyone has said yet, because to believe this you would have to believe the justice system is infallible, which it clearly isnt. Everyone in prison is there for a reason!! Smoking weed can get you jail time too, fuckhead.

I forgot that he said if only we did to our criminals what other countries do to theirs there would be alot less crime. By that rationale, people here in the United States would stop comitting capital offenses, for fear of the death penalty but that hasnt worked.

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GreenNugs Hopefully High Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #yahooka Posts: 2,097 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	my 2 cents... torture seems to be every where... __________________ ----------------------------------------------- And Shepherds we shall be For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti. RIP to our friend and highly respected peer Ken Gorman

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Kishar loading user title.. Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: subcutaneous layer Posts: 2,201 Thanks: 117 Thanked 197 Times in 137 Posts	Beatings are Good If only we would do to our people of this country what others do to their own there would be alot less crime. If you knew you would be put to death for a crime such as robbery or another violent act you would be alot less likely to commit that crime. So in my eyes what you see on these tapes is justified in most cases. It's really not that severe unless you have blinders on to the real world. You gotta remember the inmates they are dealing with are murderers, rapists, child molesters, muggers, gang-bangers...I could keep going but you get the point. These people are the gutter of society and have been punished, they don't deserve to live a happy life. The End. __________________ So, if a stranger walked up to you and poured pebble like seeds into your hand and then said, plant them and your harvest can be made into rope cloth or paper, it could help the sick or intoxicate. What would you say? Would you keep the seeds or chuck them away? RollREDRoll

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GreenNugs Hopefully High Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #yahooka Posts: 2,097 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	^word... __________________ ----------------------------------------------- And Shepherds we shall be For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti. RIP to our friend and highly respected peer Ken Gorman

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11-01-2005, 04:23 PM	#46 (permalink)
Tokey ABERCROMBIE Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 754 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I cannot fucking believe Derexan thinks that state govt trumps federal govt, when he says "...except in national matters." OOTF has a point if someone is about to be beaten to death in front of you without being able to defend himself, you have to do something, if you dont that makes you just as guilty as the person who commited the offense. Derexan said it himself in a previous quote, "Evil triumphs, if good men do nothing." He was talking about the Iraq war though. Idiot.

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~~PsyOpKing~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,021 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	don't mention it man Derexan FYI THIS IS AN IGLA

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~~PsyOpKing~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,021 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	wow you are a tool.

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higherlearner84 Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with u buddy.totally agree on all accounts of everything you said.Alot of the stuff that derexan says reminds me of the kind of arguments my dad throws at me when we are debating on goverment issues.

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snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,305 Thanks: 15 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	You're biased.

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