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Old 11-17-2005, 09:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Will we ever see an end to suffering?

Do you think we will ever see things like world hunger, war, disease etc done away with? Will these things be with us humans forever?

Its interesting to think about the kinds of wars or disease we could see in say, 10,000 years. Interplanetary war, huge death machines, its weird shit.

My take on it is that every negative behavior or action is a result of a faulty belief, or a belief that could be replaced with a less harmful one.

Heres another take-

The concept of suffering is related to the common belief construct of victim/perpetrator. This is a construct that virtually everyone on the planet subscribes to. As such, virtually everyone's thinking revolves around this one construct. Quite amazing, really, when you think about it. Even people who would consider themselves to be "enlightened" still subscribe to this construct, which says a lot to me about their so-called enlightenment. But there you go.

The belief in the construct is kept alive by the profound belief in the notion that reality is something that a person is subjected to, as opposed to something they create. Our science of Physics will make a discovery in about 20 years time that will blast a big hole in that belief. They will discover that all material things are actually made from the same base material. This will create a whole new science that is formed to investigate the phenomena of the non-physical, or subjective areas of consciousness.

This will lead scientists to conclude the profound truth that we create our physical reality. From then on, people who still believe in the old constructs will become a laughing stock. Just as people are today who still think the world is flat.

The crux of the "consciousness shift" that everyone is on about revolves around precisely that discovery. It can be loosely translated as "out with the old paradigm and in with the new". Unfortunately, the religious bods can't bring themselves out of the Dark Ages enough to believe that something totally new can come about, without the old being completely destroyed first, lol.


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Old 11-17-2005, 09:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i never could handle AA meetings for that reason/relationship.

it's like they have to make you out as a victim of some sinister plot, when in reality your comfort drug just isnt comforting anymore.

i wasnt tricked into rejecting god or light for a substance, the substance just lost it's effects and gained new ones that i no longer liked.

the the victom role is certainly one that if thought about deeply certainly raises some intriguing questions about oneself.

when one think's about possesion, and then having that possesion stolen... they can view in several ways, such as they never really owned anything, it was simply in a house their at and someone grabbed something because they had a better use for it.... or you could view as they have typical spite for you and are out to get you.

interesting stuff if you think about it for awhile.

good post waves.
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Old 11-17-2005, 10:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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what would "Hell" be, without all of that?
Well, what would it be? do we even need "hell" without all of that? What is "hell" now?
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Old 11-17-2005, 10:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What suffering?
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Old 11-18-2005, 01:05 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Nope, thats why the 3rd dimension experience exists.
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Old 11-18-2005, 04:45 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I think it depends on what we percieve as suffering. Some may suffer and another may feel that it isnt suffering at all. Its a hard question because of its subjectivity. Ive heard of people talking about neo-humans.. hardwired hedonists. Sounds mad.. but possible.
I have to say though at the moment i have to agree with ET on this one. Well suffering will be around as long as we choose to experience it.

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Old 11-18-2005, 07:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Old 11-18-2005, 01:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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Well I lean more to turmaline's stance, what would hell be without that
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Old 11-20-2005, 12:45 AM   #11 (permalink)
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wtf do you mean, end to suffering? can you even imagine the scope of suffering, beyond your insipid little question?

do you know what suffering is for me? do you think there can be an end to my suffering, altho you don't even know what the source is? how do you define suffering? some people who live in slums in india don't consider themselves to be 'suffering', while some spoiled trust-fund babies in beverly hills are 'suffering' while waiting for their plastic surgery.

an end to suffering? there can be an end to your own suffering, buddhist teaching says that the end to personal suffering is to let go of all earthly desires, including the desire to resist change. suffering is due to fear of change.

i'm not strong enough to do that though. i think maybe that taking the eightfold path would mean having to give up marijuana (and maybe the zoloft as well hehe), and i'm not going to be ready for that in this lifetime.
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Define "Suffering".

To some people, suffering is is when some asshole stole your bicycle. To others, starving to death.

I invision the future to still be a double-edged sword. Even in these times now, people would think 1000 years ago we would see an end to suffering; and it hasn't.

You have good times in life, as well as bad times. Simply being here couldn't have been a more complete balance.
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Old 11-20-2005, 08:58 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Being pissed off isn't suffering.

All problems bring gifts. You seek those problems to recieve those gifts.
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Old 11-21-2005, 01:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
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we wont see an end to suffering untill we see an end to greed.
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No, simply put.

I don't have all the answers. Just like everybody else, I am unenlightened when it comes to the complication that is "life".

However, suffering is an inevitable part of human nature, with us as inherently flawed beings. We become full of ourselves, get indulgent, and hurt others along the way to overcoming our problems.
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Being pissed off isn't suffering.

All problems bring gifts. You seek those problems to recieve those gifts.
Yeah, but being dry for an extended period is TORTURE!!!



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we wont see an end to suffering untill we see an end to greed.
Alot of suffering is also the result of stupidity.





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Old 11-22-2005, 03:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Being pissed off isn't suffering.
I think thats subjective

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All problems bring gifts. You seek those problems to recieve those gifts.
This is a perfect example of a good belief, as opposed to someone partaking in the belief of "suffering". Gov your the man

Maybe i wasnt clear, by suffering i mean any "mass" suffering in the world/universe. I believe we will always have problems on a personal level but does anyone believe we can get rid of things like AIDS and war?
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Why should suffering end at all, except for those that experience enough of it until they transcend it?

It should and will always exist to teach valuable lessons. We transcend the Suffering, the Suffering does not Transcend us.
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