al-Mu'akhkhir

probably important to realize that it couldn't have less of an effect on your daily life though.

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reverie

Dancing around things? Hmm, you must be in a different conversation than I am. I've explained myself in depth, I don't know exactly what you've done, aside from becoming my lil side kick after the balls thread occurrence. I must always remember to use simpler words for you and your "bigger brain". My bad.

Speaking of dancing around things, I asked you where I was wrong. The sources are not important, but they all do support what I was saying. Doesn't look like you read them either. If you can show me where and how I am wrong with better sources, this is your time to shine.



Btw: Insomnia is not a total inability to sleep, it literally means a lack of sufficient sleep. No insomniac never sleeps, or their body would shut down. There are different degrees of insomnia, that's why its so important in establishing what kind of insomnia this person has and how it occurs.

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my_scatterheart

I don't recall reading anywhere that the OP is overly tired. In which case, I still contend physical exertion is the way to go.
Fact of the matter is I hardly sleep. The reasons? A cocktail of lack of proper amount of physical activity and mental hangups.
I say to the OP if you're serious about getting more sleep, monitor your diet, exercise, lots of fluids. Tell me that doesn't work for you.
Minor mental shit has been proven to be relieved by regular fitness. Underlying uneasiness may be wiped away with some workouts, will also provide some more tiredness, resulting, hopefully in sleep.
What do you do with puppies that are awake to much? Tucker them the fuck out.
I'm not saying run a marathon, lift 10x your body weight until you have a mild heart attack. I'm just saying do a little more than you're doing, see where it gets you.

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Bearsy

HFB, insomnia does not go hand in hand with being tired.

It usually takes me until about 6am to fall asleep and when I wake up at 9-10am I'm completely refreshed. I'm never tired during the day or at night. I'm pretty sure that's the problem.

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GentillyCreole

Wow! Lots of different viewpoints but did any of them work for you? I think a visit to the doctor would be best but be careful of being prescribed meds that will make you glow in the dark and not really solve the problem. Remember, your dreams will be affected by the chemical medications most physicians prescribe, as well. I sympathize with you as I have been an insominiac for most of my adult life and probably through much of my childhood. Marijuana helps and does not affect my ability to dream. I tried the exercise thing before bedtime but found that the activity actually energizes me and makes it impossible for me to sleep but if I do the same activity earlier during the day I am more relaxed by bedtime. I also find that I start revving up just a little before bedtime most times and the energy keeps building on through the night until almost morning. Finally, I had to look into myself to find out why--it was emotional--there was a fear within my spirit that prevented me from sleeping because of trauma during my childhood.

I made an exercise to help me get to sleep that works better than ganja and sleep meds. Through visualization, I enter a large cave and walk to the very back. I assure and reassure myself that I am in a safe place. I welcome the darkness of the cave. When I get to the back of the cave, I lay down. Then I count from one to five (inside my mind--not orally). With each number I say "when I get to the count of 5, I will fall asleep and awaken in the morning fully rested". It is rare that I remember getting to five before the morniing is upon me and I awaken fully rested.

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jables1211

thanks to those of you who try to be helpful instead of doing your best to be a jerk like some of the others. i appreciate it

SageTree

If you are going to bed before you are tired and laying there trying sleep this can be frusterating.

I would recommend as well being active in the day. Go for a walk after dinner even, the fresh air and walking helps your mind and digestion.
Too much hard activity can be a heart raising act that will make you feel worse, because there are physical stimulants in the blood still present before bed.

Light relaxing yoga or medition are useful. Here's a link to a guided meditations site, that makes it sometimes easier to relax and focus. The body scan on this link is what I'd recommend the most, Lying on your back in corpse pose. http://www.buddhanet.net/audio-meditation.htm I also looked over this and there are lots of relaxation mediations too. I have used alot of these when my mind feels alittle cagey when I go to sit each nite, so I feel this could help you alot. Maybe put one of these on in bed and relax deeply. Most instructors will tell you that a good meditation is when you feel like you are going to go to sleep, in your case I wouldn't fight it.

Hopefully these help you. Sometimes a glass of warm milk has worked for my wife, before bed.

Also I often will honour my sleep cycles with getting up when I feel awake at nite in the middle, or half an hour before I get up. In the middle of the nite I will get awake and feel really awake. I use this time to sit on the cushion with a blanket around me and sit focusing on breath. This is a time I also see my dreams of the night rising up in my thoughts, which give me time to consider their possible meaning.

A small light if you wake up at nite can also start the flow seratonin, the happy juice in your head. In the winter when it's harder to get the right lite, I have woken up and done this. I swear this works. My mornings turned around like 720 degrees. In other words I was bouncing off the walls happy in the morning. I first set an alarm for 3 give or take hours after bed time and would wake and turn on a dim light for 15 mins and go back to bed. This is what spawned my midnite meditations now. But after a while your body just gets up in the nite around the alarm time, without using it.

I read about this in Scientific American. This was accidentally found by an anthropologist reading diaries before the industrial rev. It seemed that it was usual to get up for sometime at nite. Sleep theorpists found this out and the article focused partially on how this is what they do with depressive people and works for season affective. The small light half way through is the treatment. I believe it really works. This might make you feel more awake in the morning, more exerted in the day time, and more ready for bed at nite.

But if problems persist you should seek proffesional help MD or ND, natrapathing doctor, that is, for a more holistic cure, rather than likely being perscribed ambien.

Good luck.

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jables1211

that wasn't directed at you. sorry about that. i shouldn't have said anything :/