Oceans 80

I am looking into getting help to get off the opiates...I'm not sure which route to take though...

Methadone:
I never tried this route but I hear that it is terrible to come off of and just bad news in general. Also, daily trips to the clinic is going to be a pain in the ass...

Suboxone/Subutex:
I've been to two different doctors and was prescribed suboxone. I'd stay clean for a week or two then be right back on the opiates...selling my subs for oxy/dope money. It seems like when I take them I'm okay for a few hours then I wanna get high again. They make a generic subutex now so that would help money wise if I could find a doctor to prescribe it over suboxone.

Has anyone been through either of the treatments or even both? I'm not sure which route to go. I'm in the process of calling doctors for information but they all make it sound like their route is better. Obviously their are pros and cons to each treatment but I'm leaning towards the methadone to see if it helps me anymore than the bupe did. Has anyone else been through this?

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_tyranT

i dunno what to say cept im going downtown to get 2 caps for 10 bux

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zoltron

Yeah, I'm basically on Methadone for life. I have spinal-stenosis & go to the Pain Clinic every 3 months for refills = Methadone Maintenance Treatment Program.
My doc is 1 of the coolest I've ever dealt with. He doesn't care about cannabis use & when I have to take my yearly piss-test [they do that to make sure you're not selling them & using the $$$ for crack or some shit]. When I tell him that THC is gonna show-up, he told me that if it DIDN'T show-up, he'd be worried about me.
I'm prescribed 20 mgs/5 times daily = 100 mgs daily. 300 pills/monthly & down here, they sell for $10/apiece. I could make $3,000 each bottle, but I need them for my pain. It shoots down my right leg & when I 1st wake-up, I can barely get outta bed.
The Methadone work the best for my pain, as the OxyContin wasn't as good, imho. I hear they are a bitch to come off, but I'm 55 yrs old & figure I've got maybe 20-25 more yrs left, so WTF? I look at it as the same as a diabetic or someone with high blood-pressure. They must take medicine daily for life...& so do I.
Not sure how 'long-term' you'll be taking them...& I've never tried the Bupes, so I can't give an honest opinion of them...but the Methadones are superb for pain-relief & I'll be taking them until I'm dead.

Just looked this over &................... ..did that even answer your initial question?

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Dr. Drew

I was on suboxone for a few months.. I ended up still using as much as I could afford; selling them like you.

I prefer neither. But i know it's hard to get to that point ( I'm barely hanging on).

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Oceans 80

no zoltron haha...methadone for pain vs methadone for addiction treatment

i guess i shouldve specified but i get what you're saying about the diabetic taking their meds for life but i really dont wanna suck on these shitty pills for the rest of my life but i just love the oc/dope so much..maybe im really not ready to quit?

TK...why do you prefer dones over subs...like i said i take the subs and im only ok for a few hours then i wanna get high again..even redosing subs doesnt erally help too much..then when i use the opies they barely do anything unless im slammin a lot which money isn't always ready for that....

drew, i wish i could just quit without either of them but im a bitch when it comes to withdrawals....i cringe at the thought of the RLS+cold sweat+achy bones+acid stomach combo with a side of runny eyes and nose

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MannyBoy

I'm very much like the other guy earlier. I too have spinal stenosis - mine in my neck. I have been on Oxycontin for about four years now. About a year ago I asked my Doc to try Methadone on the recommendation from a Hospice nurse friend of mine.

For me it was a nightmare. I don't remember all of my problems, but I do remember the crippling migraines. I called the doc's office whispering because it hurt to speak in a normal voice. I asked to go back to the Oxy. My regular doc was on vacation and the on call doc would not change a prescription. It was hell until my doc called in during the week and changed me back.

I can only recommend that you talk to your pain doc and stick to the plan (s)he puts you on. They really want to help. If the plan is not working - tell them. They will change it. Also anything worth while involves sacrifice. You can do it if you put your self into this. Suck it up and get it done.

You can do it.

Dr. Drew

I hear ya man, that's how I am too.
For me however, taking either of these just allows me to do as much dope as I want without worrying about getting sick.
Withdrawals suck, but I personally feel that I need to go through them in order to want to stay away from opiates.

I totally understand not wanting to do that.

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zoltron

OK, I gotcha....yeah, big difference...serious ly!!

I dunno, Oceans, you might NOT be ready to quit just yet. But then again, only you can determine that 1.

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Oceans 80

i do want to quit...i hate being sick and goin to get well and not gettin high...then if i dont get high i think "fuck thats money wasted..." then i think of all the shit i sold to get drugs and wish i had em back...it sucks


anyway, i called and set up MMT to start on wednesday...first dose is thursday..until then i'm supposed to "keep using but don't try and get that last big bang in before dosing"...

i'm going to check on my funds and see if i can do it

$100 intake fee
$95/week
waiting on welfare/insurance that covers all of it and reimburses so much if you get on them both around the same time...

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my_scatterheart

This is a really great outlook/mindset, and I wanted you to know that I appreciate the shit out of it. Keep at it dude.

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zoltron

I hear ya, Oceans...good for you on getting the ball rolling on the Maintenance Treatment. I wish you all the best & know you can kick the opiates with this Program.
Yeah, $95/week is some big $$$ to get well, but if that's what your mind & heart is set on, you'll accomplish this. Glad to hear that it'll be covered $$$-wise...& believe it or not, after 9 yrs on this stuff, there are certain days when the 'dones give me a nice warm buzz.
It's weird, though...I've always wondered why there are certain days when I can really feel the medicine...& other days when I don't feel the meds, but still get the pain-relief. My nephew's wife has to go to the Methadone Clinic every morning & pay her $10.75 for a day's dosage. Seems like a hassle, but whadda ya gonna do?

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fenderbender

dude oceans.... Id be a little more weary of methadone...

if you dont have the will to get off dope, i highly doubt youll have the will to get off methadone when the time comes. Be careful man, shit is highly fucking addictive and it seems like most of the time... if it does work and the person refrains from relapsing with dope, they are on methadone for the rest of their lives.


useing methadone or subs just to get over the shit sick cycle aint gonna do anything for ya long term.

goodluck bro

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tedkennedy

if you actually want to get off opiates, i would say use suboxone to taper yourself off opiates with minimal withdrawals.

g00d luck broski

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Burner of trees

^this.

the thing is, you can actually get a nod off of methadone(at first atleast), but with bupe you won't feel shit (see: no high, but also, no withdrawl).

i've done both a bunch, neither legally, and from my experiences if you really want to quit, go with the suboxone. with larger doses of methadone i've read it blocks your opiate receptors (60mg+), but with any dose of suboxone it will block for atleast 2 days seeing as how the mean half-life is 37 hours. i'm sure you've alredy experienced wasting a bunch of good h/oxy while still having a good ammount of bupe in your system...shit sucks.

the great thing about suboxone is 1. you do't have to go to a clinic all the time 2. the docters tend to not know shit, so they will overprescribe the subs, meaning you can sell some and still have a bunch left to keep yourself well. i know a chic who was taking like 40mg of oxy a day and her sub docter gave her 30 8mg subs every two weeks..she could take 1mg a day and be fine, its rediculous.

good luck tho man! i've been taking subs for the last couple weeks, i started at 8mg a day and am now taking 4, and will soon bring it down to two. like i said you'd probably get a bunch so you can make some money, and hopefully not blow it at the dope spot...but whatever you do i'm here for you brospeh

/end rambling

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greenloon

I am currently on Subox and it works well for me, as far as remaining generally craving free. It is super easy to move your dosage around pain-free. Just drop in 2mg increments every 2-3 weeks. Piece of cake.

However, I have not come off it yet and I hear that is when it gets a little uncomfortable. I am sure someone can elaborate on that if needed.

It also seems that consensus is to use them to get "clean" and try and get off them as quickly as possible. Like 6 months or less. I, unfortunately, have been on it for like a year and 1/2 which makes it all that harder to come off of.

A few years ago I ended up in rehab/accelerated detox and they used a drug called Naltrexone for the detox and maintenance. That worked really great for me actually. I was clean for several years and when I relapsed I caught myself before it got out of hand and got help. Best part about Naltrexone was there were no side effects (for me anyway) OR withdrawl issues when stopping.

The drawback on Naltrexone is that you have to wait and get the majority of the opiates out of your system the old fashion way or it can cause some serious issues. Also, taking opiates while on it is also very dangerous. You could always ask about that?

When I come off of the Suboxone I am going to ask about taking the Naltrexone for a couple months to help mitigate any possible issue with withdrawal. I am a real pussy! I admit it. I have gone through so many f*cking withdrawals and each one seems to make me fear them more!

As far as methadone is concerned, I personally have no experience with it. I would be wary of it. I did a lot of reading and asking, like you are now, and I found that there are a lot of people who have done both and have preferred Subox. Plus, Methadone just sounds like a miserable and inconvenient system.

Whatever way you choose, best of luck to you!

anitablaze

Anyone tried Iboga?
or Ibogaine?

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Oceans 80

one of my suboxone doctors explained naltrexone to me...he prescribed the subs for withdrawals then after the wds, he'd wean you off and then prescribe naltrexone for the cravings because it doesnt help the sickness...

even when i do subs...im not sick but the mental craving is still VERY present and eventually it pushes me to the point where i wanna do some real opiates...like...ill convince myself im sick and start feeling shitty...i know its all in my head but it happens and some of the dumbest crimes i committed were done under suboxone because i wanted the OC or H..

i did my methadone intake today...i start on 30mg tomorrow, 40mg on friday and 50mg on saturday and ill sit there for a week while they do tests to see how fast i metabolize it then i'll start adjusting my dose...i really like the place im going to because along with the methadone their is a lot of counseling, job counseling and other stuff to help people get back on their feet, which i need...i need help getting my shit back together and returning to school and getting a job and what not...

i'll keep you all updated

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zoltron

/\/\/\/\ The best of luck to you on ALL the stuff you're going thru, Oceans!!

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Burner of trees

good luck man, i hope it all works out for you.

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Oceans 80

took my first dose today...30mg...i'll have 40mg tomorrow then 50 on saturday...i'll stay their are a week and i'm supposed to write how i feel during these first three days and talk to my counselor till they can find a stablizing dose for me...

the 30mg isn't much but i feel alright today...i wanna go get high but if i dont its not a big deal..i haven't felt this way in soooo long and it feels great...i just cant wait till i get higher doses so i can lose this mental part too...

im terrified of the weening process cause everyone says how bad it is (personal references and opiophile) but as of right now on day 1...im in love already...

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