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Old 07-04-2013, 09:56 PM   #61 (permalink)
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how did i miss this one? wow! sage its all very simple you just do what you gotta do. cant wait to see how this turns out.
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i had no idea what jester was talking about and just now i went to read that thread.

cool beans. its fun to see people leaving the comfort of the known and heading out to embrace the unknown. thats how you grow and expand, dont you know. or not know? get it?!?!?

just remember to remember your roots and keep in touch mofucka
Thanks for what you said there, and here.

I'll be out in late July and back, after the monastery and some hitching around the States then back into the Maritime of Canada in late Sept.
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your story is inspiring! makes me want to actually do something to get the fuck outta the burbs, if only temporarily.

part of my own problem is i dont exactly know what i want, or i havent defined to myself clearly what i want because ive been blissfully stoned for the last 7 years. and i mean that in a positive way, weed is a great drug, but in being in that blissfuly stoned state you start to make compromises that you otherwise wouldnt make because you are too blissfully stoned to care. so i guess i gotta look deep within and define for myself exactly what it is i want out of life. ive always measured myself not by what i genuinely want but by whats expected of me by people and society and parents and friends and shit.

anyway dont want to get too much into a therapy session here, but your story is cool to read. you gotta keep a journal and shit man, thats some real kerouacan shit you are pulling off. would be fun to read about your spiritual journey and experiences, one spiritual bro to another.
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your story is inspiring! makes me want to actually do something to get the fuck outta the burbs, if only temporarily.
Right on man. Temporarily is what I'm starting with as well.
Even though I 'leave' pretty regularly, this is new for us.

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part of my own problem is i dont exactly know what i want, or i havent defined to myself clearly
I don't know 'exactly' what I want either
But I'm trying to grow close to what is to be.

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ive been blissfully stoned for the last 7 years. and i mean that in a positive way, weed is a great drug, but in being in that blissfuly stoned state you start to make compromises that you otherwise wouldnt make because you are too blissfully stoned to care.
Traveling over these last years has given me a chance to be away from smoking a month or so at a time.

I'm happy in the culture of being a person who smokes these days and not just a smoker.

Kindly said, don't mistake bliss for happiness, ya dig?

Finger =/= The Moon

Like Dass says, when you get the message, hang up the phone (or call less often)

Love ya ,Bud..... pun intended.

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so i guess i gotta look deep within and define for myself exactly what it is i want out of life. ive always measured myself not by what i genuinely want but by whats expected of me by people and society and parents and friends and shit.
Knowing that is a first step.

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anyway dont want to get too much into a therapy session here, but your story is cool to read. you gotta keep a journal and shit man, thats some real kerouacan shit you are pulling off. would be fun to read about your spiritual journey and experiences, one spiritual bro to another.
Therapy is one of my trades now that I've graduated.
So no worries.

A journal will be kept for sure.
And I hope something worthwhile sharing happens, Brother.

Less crazy than the 8 months we traveled in the USA and lived out of our Jeep....
But methinks that is a period of time you were away. (11/'11 - 06/'12)

Not to be un-modest about your comment.

I only mention it for perspective on this much smaller journey.
Smaller it seems I suppose.... but yes... perhaps more 'Kerouacan' indeed.

I guess I ought to pick up Dharma Bums and read that at some point....
Maybe after I finish this book on Eastern Orthodox theology that was recommended by Fr. Joseph.
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your story is inspiring! makes me want to actually do something to get the fuck outta the burbs, if only temporarily.

part of my own problem is i dont exactly know what i want, or i havent defined to myself clearly what i want because ive been blissfully stoned for the last 7 years. and i mean that in a positive way, weed is a great drug, but in being in that blissfuly stoned state you start to make compromises that you otherwise wouldnt make because you are too blissfully stoned to care. so i guess i gotta look deep within and define for myself exactly what it is i want out of life. ive always measured myself not by what i genuinely want but by whats expected of me by people and society and parents and friends and shit.
dude I can relate so much to this post. I think I've smoked all my drive away. I don't really know what I want out of life sometimes. I totally agree with the stoned compromises part. much love and understanding brother waves.
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Okay folks,

So it's go time.

I've spent the whole month here in PA with my family.
My sister safely brought Andrew, my nephew into the world.
That is why I came, and tomorrow I'm going to go help do some yard clean up before I leave, and to spend a little more time with them all.

Then Tuesday morning I'm off to the Monastery in Ohio for a month.

I'll bumble around the north-east for a little bit before I head back up to Canada to grow further with this new experience.

I'll check in tonight and tomorrow, and then I'll be out for a long while.

Peace be with you all.
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Hey folks, I have returned to the world.

Bodily I am here. Otherwise..... I am still adjusting to the pace of things.
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Feeling refreshed at all? Renewed? Growth?
Yeah, man, without a doubt yes to all three of those questions.

The world is a noticeably busier place.... For an understatement.

It isn't taking much for me to feel very stimulated.

I thought for starters I'd post my schedule.

Monday - Saturday

3:30 am - wake up bell

4:00 am - Midnight office, Matins, First hour
(Wed. & Fri. - Paraclesis)

7:15 am - Wed. & Sat. - Divine Liturgy
Otherwise breakfast was around this time.

8:30 am - Work period

12:00 pm - Akathis & Lunch

1:00 pm - Work period

4:00 pm - Stop work & clean yourself up
On Sat. 2:00 pm work ended for all. If desired at apt. time one could have confession.

5:00 pm - Nineth hour, Vespers

6:30 pm - Evening meal & Compline

7:15 pm - Dinner clean up, free time.

8:00 pm - 9:30 am - Great Silence.

Sunday and Festival days

6:00 am - Midnight office, Matins, First, Third and Sixth hours,
Which flowed right into 9:00 am Liturgy.

Wed. or Sat. evening before a Feast days, there would be a Vigil until 12:00 am,
And no services would start until Divine Liturgy at 9:00 am

9:00 am - Divine Liturgy

11:00 am - Communal meal with congregation

12:30 pm - Clean up, then free time.

5:00 pm - Same as week days

Lots of structure, as you can see.

I read, slept, hiked, prayed and occasionally visited a monk.
Sunday was 'internet time', for line hour each if one wanted it.
I only checked my email twice while I was there.

Silence was preferred, so there was plenty of time to work on the Jesus Prayer, that I mentioned in post 51. And I had noticeable fruits with that.

It's a shield against the temptation to wonder mentally,
And stray into dwelling on or fantasising/daydreaming the day away.

For now, I'll call that a post as I am leading into the more interior matters.
Good question... Maybe another will tease out some more collected thoughts.
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Damn you had to get up at 3AM?!

That's only like 7 hours of sleep if you go to bed at 8!
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could you explain what some of those things mean sage?


like, vespers and compline and akathis. Matins. Basically all of those words.
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Damn you had to get up at 3AM?!

That's only like 7 hours of sleep if you go to bed at 8!
Nah.... 3:30 , and I was usually in bed at 9-9:15......
I napped after breakfast or lunch generally, for 15-60 mins depending on the days load.
Heh.... and during a psalm or two in the morning when we sat to listen....
And was assured that was normal for a person visiting.... even after a month...
Heck.... Some said they still struggle after a couple of years.

It's a struggle to work with.
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could you explain what some of those things mean sage?


like, vespers and compline and akathis. Matins. Basically all of those words.
Oh sorry man, I missed this post.

These are good run downs on Orthodox wiki.

Matins is the morning service.
  • There are seven types of Matins:

    Sunday Matins: the longest of the regular matins services. If this service is celebrated in its entirety it can last up to three hours. It usually contains a combination of canons taken from the Octoechos, Menaion, Triodion, and/or Pentecostarion. As a result, in parishes, abbreviations are often made. Often, this matins is part of a vigil (particularly in Slavic practice).
    Daily Matins: there is no Gospel.
    Feast-day :Matins with Gospel.

Vespers is the evening service.
  • Basic Forms
    Vespers is celebrated in three basic forms: Great Vespers, Daily Vespers, and Small Vespers.

    Great Vespers
    follows the order described above and is appointed to be served on Saturday nights and on the eves of all feasts ranked higher than Fourth Class.

    Daily Vespers is an abbreviated form of Great Vespers and is served on any day that Great Vespers is not appointed. Generally, Daily Vespers is served by a priest alone without the assistance of a deacon, although there is some variation in this practice. In such a case, the deacon's parts are completed by the priest. At Daily Vespers, the Small Entrance is usually omitted; there are fewer stikhera inserted in Lord, I have cried unto Thee; and the Litany following the prokeimenon is abbreviated and moved to follow the apolytikion. The service ends with the Little Dismissal.

    Small Vespers is appointed to be served only on days when there is to be an All-Night Vigil. Small Vespers is identical in form to Daily Vespers, but omits the Litany of Peace, the kathisma and the Small Litany that follows it, the Litany of Fervent Supplication, and the Prayer at the Bowing of the Heads. The litany that follows the apolytikion is also further abbreviated. It also has no more than 4 stichera at "Lord, I have cried", and unlike Great Vespers or Daily Vespers, the variable portions of Small Vespers are never combined from multiple sources (such as a double commemoration of the menaion, or a combination of the menaion with the octoechos).

Compline is the after dinner, before bed service.
  • Compline takes two distinct forms: Small Compline and Great Compline. The two versions are quite different in length

Akathist, basically means 'to stand', and this usually entails a composition praising/ venerating a Saint, like a lunch, or to the Mother of God, in the morning.

Compline was 30 mins.
So was the lunch time akathist
All the rest were part of other services as you can see... And ran for quite a while.
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i still dont understand really.

im trying to get an idea of what you were doing there.


are those things basically like "prayer time"? Singing prayers outloud? (im not too familiar with churchy type activities lol)

were you guys like that oldschool christian chanting/singing? (not sure if you know what i mean as idk what to call it)


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i still dont understand really.

im trying to get an idea of what you were doing there.


are those things basically like "prayer time"? Singing prayers outloud? (im not too familiar with churchy type activities lol)

were you guys like that oldschool christian chanting/singing? (not sure if you know what i mean as idk what to call it)


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There are 'hours' off the day in which the scriptures lay put to pray, and sing psalms
So yes, those are prayer times and they are sung/chanted by the monks.

I crossed myself at appropriate times and times that a word, prayer or psalm touched me.

I rolled the wool knots, which are like the 'bead' on a prayer rope.
Orthodox use prayer ropes, that are black, because they are simple and not vanity.

In my mind I repeated the Jesus Prayer, which I said a deal about with links in a post above.

Follow the links improvised and read a little they explain a lot.

I will try to find a few services in English to post.

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is an ancient tradition, which hasn't changed a great deal since the time of the apostles. And it is part in parcel full of mystic/contemplative engagement.

While it isn't how the the word eastern is meant, it truly does however retain its 'eastern' roots.

This is not Western Christianity by a long shot.
And its very action oriented.
It's pantheistic in it explanation of union with God's energies,
And has language to outline the practice for that, which also maintains God's uniqueness in the Essence of God's being.
Energies are peace, love, charity etc.... And God its self.
Immanent and Unknowable.
They aren't scared to leave things as mysteries, but expound on the fruits of the practice.

It's simple and deep.

It speaks loudly to the eastern method and ascetic practice's I love in Buddhism,
But speaks to the part of me that is connected to something bigger,
Which I call and wasn't really free to discuss in a sangha.

So this is a good place for me to be.
That doesn't mean Buddhism still doesn't effect my life,
It just means that I am going to bring Buddha to a Christian discussion,
Instead of Jesus to a Buddhist one.

50% of the converts I met there have the same story as me.
The other half merely married in.

Let me know if this works:

Ancient faith radio: pop-out player

If it doesn't just go back to the main page and look for listening options under radio.
If you hear talk and not singing try the other link.
There is also an app to stream the music that doesn't make up much space.

Don't mind the announcements to much...
But they actually are unique insights into the theology of what it means to be of the Orthodox faith....
And it's not what the West and the media is selling as 'Christianity'....
I all fairness, I am speaking in generalities concerning the west as well.

'Saved' in a synergy of action, not just a belief.
Christ's death was more to show that our flesh is capable of much.
And there is emphasis placed on victory over death in sin, as opposed to the passion.
He set the record straight, but still requires us to have faith, but also to do something for it, besides believe alone.

I can't really capture it all, without explaining it beyond the surface.
It's a rich tradition, calling us to be what we are,
To set aside our self,
To love God,
Love our neighbour, serving God in each other,
And to reflect on how we can do better each day growing along the way.

Love isn't love unless we choose it, so there is no forcing us.
God is all merciful... But that doesn't mean we should bank on getting off the hook.
Hell isn't hell in Orthodoxy.
The flames are God's love, and the pain is our prideful self burning us.

And if you think about pride, here and now, it does burn us quite often.
Just as in it does in the dharma.

We can't know what is next, but I believe we should try to readily bring kindness and self-sacrifice into our life, that takes practice for most of us.

And I think I have finally found a way that ties my heart and mind together,
Which enlightens my soul and it shines out brightly on the world.

Hope that doesn't sound too much man,
But something deep genuinely happened to me there.

And ,maybe this is the kind of posts we'll see more of now that I have started to find verse to write it.

Ask away and I shall try to answer, one and all.
Peace.

PS. No... No vamps that I had seen... But I did have an interesting night encounter with something I can't explain.
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Doesn't quite sound like my cup of tea, but man I am glad you enjoyed the stay a bit. Took a while to read the whole thread lol.
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Doesn't quite sound like my cup of tea, but man I am glad you enjoyed the stay a bit. Took a while to read the whole thread lol.
Thanks man, and thanks for reading despite your predilections otherwise.

I am sure you aren't alone, nor will be the last.

I expect to get some less than supportive responses, not saying yours isn't...
But I do people can have your ton of respect if they do differ.

I can't deny what happened and I won't. So hopefully people can be with me in that at least,
And hear me out and ask or speak with the Same love in their heart in which I share.
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I hadn't realized monastery life involved so much structure! When I was still giving the 'Hooka a break, I had seen you saying you were going away on FB.

Putting aside the part of me that dislikes theistic religion (I know that's not exactly what YOUR thing is), it sounds enviable in certain ways. Were it me, I'd beg the change to wander the grounds more and absorb the beauty that I'm sure was all around. I think I'd also take prayer time more contemplatively then in prayer
I remember not long ago feeling the need for extended quiet time with myself so me and me could work ourself out, but I've been lucky to get that recently and I feel lots better.

I think on that note I feel like I can relate with the trip and even with the need for it somewhat.
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