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Old 03-11-2015, 11:40 PM   #21 (permalink)
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ya know... that might just be the solution lol


I second the vote on boning her.
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either that or you gotta cry 'sexual harassment' in the work place.
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I'd sexually harass Sage. Sounds totally plausible to me.



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Update....

Everything was fine this week. Better than fine actually. It was fantastic.

And it wasn't anything my boss's boss said. I told her at the start of the week that I was on the verge of wanting to talk wanted to give it another week or so and revisit the idea of talking.

She said 'Yeah, it ebbs and flows... I'm aware of what you're dealing with back there in the greenhouses... You are doing a good job'....
And I didn't say ANYTHING to her honestly... She just knew


All week I just kept trying to make the boss feel acknowledged and understood, while also trying to get myself understood...
Low and behold... I don't know what the break through was for my boss... but she was completely different with me.
Acknowledging her incongruent statements and telling me she was glad I was so patient with her.

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But yeah... stepping it up, Bro! <--- Not even being massive progressive about it.
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Update:


Unknown to me, Thursday I had my 6 month review.... I was called into the meeting room, where I proceeded to listen to my boss vindicate herself of all wrong doing through the vilification of my work.

95% of the things I was being judge by weren't on my job duties, per my hiring...
But hey... one wasn't provided to point this out at the interview, despite my insistence that I wasn't being held up against what I was expected to do.

She went full on contradiction mode and rehashed many of the issues (I thought) we'd worked through, and placed me squarely in the wrong in all of them.

To top it all off she didn't even fill out the review form correctly. I had more 'satisfactory' marks (the highest rating) than 'needs improvement' or 'unsatisfactory'.... but I'm not exactly sure, because where she was supposed to place ONE check mark, she placed TWO.... And then where the total of each column was to be, she placed a check mark in 'unsatisfactory'. Of course she explained that away too.


My boss's boss basically was quiet through this whole thing, but did back up my boss, half heartedly, once. I definitely regret not pushing to talk to her.... and if I'd known I had a review coming up, surely I wouldn't been more diligent.



There are some other things about the job that weren't 100% working for me on the social side of life.... like working every weekend and having to do split shifts as the weather warmed.... And professionally I wasn't working with the kids as much as I wanted, rather I was the labour guy, cleaning Lady MacBeth's greenhouse, if you catch my drift..... And rather than being taught more things about various species I hadn't worked with before I was treated like I'd proclaimed to be an expert on them all.... which I very riskily did the opposite in my interview, saying what I had worked with and what I didn't know.



So yeah.... the review is just the solidifying agent that this has been fucked up for far too long.


I've had a lot of jobs over the years, because of moving, doing all sorts of various work, and not all of it plant oriented.... I even went to school again and took on something I'd never done before with great success. Boss's have always sought to keep my a part of their team, even when they knew I was relocating far away.... jokingly telling me they'd fly me in and nonsensical lolz I took as compliments.

That is.... I know I am not a bad employee.



Life goes on though..... while this could have been a very good thing, but my boss makes the job 10x more stressful than it ought to be and loses focus on the students in place of the tasks she has to do for them.

I'm not sure where this comes from.... but I can say for sure I've also heard this from teachers who have my boss come into their classes to learn about plants..... school psychologists who observe this person working.... and as I've mentioned have gotten 'condolences' from people all around the school.

I'm not sure where she continues to garner support from, when this is my experience of her, feedback I've gotten from students as well as other school staff.....


But no doubt, it's time to move along. There are loads of cool jobs out there.
And I've put out quite a few applications. Given my one or two applications and one job ratio..... I have a good feeling finding something I enjoy won't be hard.


It's just sad it ended like this. And I feel taken for granted.


So as soon as I hear some calls back and schedule some interviews, I'll give them my one month notice, which is fine because A. The jobs I applied for have back ground checks and B. I don't want to leave the kids projects hanging. Forget my lunatic boss.... It has always been about and for the kids, to me.... and I'm not going to bail on them now..... Then that will make a school year for them.... Next fall when they return, I'll simply have moved on.... and many of them, as per their own concerns, will know why.



Will keep you update on how things go.
Thanks for reading and for your support.
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Too bad it didn't work out, but it's good you're being proactive and looking for something better.
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That seems to be the essence of it all, and when you can't use power to rattle someone directly, you do it implicity. Sucks, but I imagine there will be better going forward.
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After you find your new job you should go give your boss her review about what a shitty person she is and how nobody likes or respects her. She needs to hear it. While you are at it tell your head boss what a spineless piece she is also.
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dude, have you thought of making a powerplay for her job?

I mean at this point, you dont have much to lose.

You arent sure where she garners her support. You should test how much support she has. Go straight to the boss's boss and make a play. You've been there long enough where you likely know how to do her job, plus you arent crazy like they know she is.. Worst case scenario, her support wins out.

i understand that that probably isnt your style though, but idk.
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dude, have you thought of making a powerplay for her job?

I mean at this point, you dont have much to lose.

You arent sure where she garners her support. You should test how much support she has. Go straight to the boss's boss and make a play. You've been there long enough where you likely know how to do her job, plus you arent crazy like they know she is.. Worst case scenario, her support wins out.

i understand that that probably isnt your style though, but idk.
Lol wut?
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Shitty bosses are shitty, not much you can do. Thick skin or walk are usually the only two options. Going over their head can be ugly.
Late in seeing this, just read, but in hind sight it would appear ya nailed it (although I would have gone for transmogrification by wood chipper and composting the remains).


Sucks overall, and I'm really sorry to hear that what looked like your dream job turned ta shit, especially in that fashion. For future reference, and apologies in advance for hindsight nature - but as I said I'm just catching up, one of the core issues (beyond her being cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs) relates to accountability.

One of the simplest and most effective methods I've ever implemented was a simple facility shift log/journal. Could be as simple as a spiral notebook and a pen, but the idea is simply that each manager MUST make an entry at the end of each day/shift, and they are trained to make that the very first thing they read when they first arrive, no exceptions, ever! This creates a start point for addressing, and hopefully nipping in the bud, any of the he said she said bullshit, plus it assures generally better communication where folks ARE actually working on the same page.

General rules regarding "To Do" lists; whereas it's at least a little encouraging that she might actually take the time to write them down (if that in fact is the case), they must be explained, they must be realistic, and any changes must be reflected as edits to the original list. Attempting to insist on this type of accountability from the resident shithouse nut rat may have proven impossible, but where it's possible to demand its use it can be a powerful tool in reeling in the delusional Kings and Queens that believe their having issued an edict automatically makes it all so. There is nothing to be gained in attempting to argue with an idiot, so when they begin to reach the level of uncomfortable in terms of their "To Do" list expectations, it's also a good idea to simply sit them down for the explanation part of the process and ask them to explain just how they would specifically manage to get the ten pounds of shit crammed into that five pound bag? This can be a difficult juggle 'cuz the truly delusional and/or inept will typically counter that you must be incompetent, and why should they do your job for you (the thinking and planning part at least). That all has to be handled relative to whether you are in fact being paid to do that thinking and planning or not, and, did you ever even receive any kind of written job description that would bear that out. Kinda tough to cover all in these types of generalities, especially not knowing all of the specifics first hand, but I think you get the drift.

A huge number of good employees lose motivation simply by never knowing exactly what is expected from them in the first place, so I always council doing whatever you have to to get as detailed a job description as is possible at first hiring. Most employers get that this is simply a more efficient way to keep good people motivated and productive, so if they don't wanna be bothered... well, you should probably move on and see what's behind door number three. Once you find yourself in that uncomfortable spot where you are no longer visualizing yourself at the job, or even in a relationship, the game is pretty much done.

Also a couple of folks touched on the idea that trying to work around or directly with her boss could go sideways, well it's been my experience that the bigger the asshole and the more widely known for being one that they are, the higher the likelihood that the bosses will throw you an empathy bone, but when the shit hits the fan they will stay on the horse that brung them. Consider that they would have to admit to having not done their respective jobs by formally acknowledging that they had continued to employ a known fucktard and done nothing to address that. The only real partner that might relieve that sort of situation would have to be the one(s) two steps above your position, and almost no organization responds well to what would amount to whistle blowing. Most likely outcome at that point would be that she may actually end up getting the boot, but not until after you had been sacrificed for not being a team player.


Have I ever mentioned why I so loved being self employed? This bullshit of having to subjugate myself to lesser minds and less capable cumquats never sat well. I'm just lucky I realized it early enough to avoid wasting too much time or energy trying to pound my decidedly square peg into their round hole. Face it Sage... the world isn't as evolved as you deserve, so put the hammer down and go create your ideal job for yourself and don't waste another precious minute of this short life trying to accommodate moronic assholes and inferior minds. Consider the old saw about trying to teach a pig to sing... all you end up doing is wasting your time and pissing off the pig.

I hate the waste that they represent, but there is a veritable fortune of grant money available in everything from workplace safety (NIOSH & OSHA) to sustainable agriculture (USDA, HEW, FDA, EPA), to alternative building and energy (HUD, DOE). Most being redistributed wealth by the Ferals that ends up as academic welfare for PhD's at our land grant universities and corporate America, but there's plenty to go around 'cuz the Fed just keeps printin', and we were never really gonna pay all of that debt off anyway right? I actually have two friends that make a fucking living writing grants for other people (usually local gov't and businesses). My best friend used to be the head economist at NIOSH, and he oversaw millions of dollars of grant waste, fraud and abuse (which quickly led him to seek greener, less stressful pastures when he was thrown under the bus for attempting to right the wrongs). If you liked the idea of what that program represented at the school then why not try and create your own.

Just off the top of my head (and this is being kinda well done in Milwaukee already) - how about an urban farming endeavor (very hot right now) that teaches at risk yout's how to manage a sustainable aquaponics based food production business (not my favorite, but like I said, it's hot right now). Use a vacant city building and lot for a composting & vermiculture site, maybe combine a food waste collection service in the mix (Veteran Compost I think it is, just south of you in Md. is charging to pick up and making money just off of the compost/worm castings/ pick-up model). Indoors grow tilapia and prawns or striped bass and use the fish poop to feed organic hydro lettuce and greens while using the compost to grow heavier feeder types in soil beds, or stack ebb and flows over sunken fish/DWC lettuce beds. Touches on enough different funding sources that you could probably draw from most of the ABC orgs listed above. Kids get to take some good food home, learn responsibility, math, sciences, etc. and you get to hang with plants, kids and fishes all day.

Sweet Water Organics - Urban Fish and Vegetable Farm - Milwaukee, WI

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Kapt... I'd man... I've had severagood, fun, what I would be doing anyway kinda jobs.
They aren't common and.... yeah work is a pain in the ass more than not...
But it doesn't need to be this bullying nut baggery either
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idk man, it was a really long day and that was like 5 mins before i passed out. Logic not super strong there.
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Kapt... I'd man... I've had severagood, fun, what I would be doing anyway kinda jobs.
They aren't common and.... yeah work is a pain in the ass more than not...
But it doesn't need to be this bullying nut baggery either
Just reflecting on some of the coolest jobs that I ever had, along with an old friend who discovered on his 30th B-day that his great grand dad had been some kind of robber baron and had set up a trust that paid every descendant something like $40k a year for life (back in 1970's). No one was allowed to tell them that it was coming, and most like him had finished their formal education by then, before he chucked it all and bought a small farmstead where he was raising weed and some goats. We met while volunteering at a camp for retarded young adults one summer. He found out about the trust the last week we were there, and as soon as we got home he did something that I still love to think of. He kept the farm and all, but bought an old early 60's Good Humor ice cream truck. He would just cruise around a couple of days a week, all summer long, white hat, uniform, and bow tie (with his hair and beard he looked like the ubiquitous Jesus image), he would get high and just give away whole truck loads of ice cream to little kids. How fucking cool is that? He said the look on their faces when they realized it was free was worth more than anything else he could have done with the money, and besides, he didn't need it anyway. Still love him for doin' that.


You know I'm not into the Christian crap, so I don't buy into all of that original sin shit, and I sure as hell don't believe that we were put here to suffer. I can't even tolerate the idea of someone wasting my time by making me wait in a line for something, so the idea of putting up with anyone trying to shit on you for even an instant seems ridiculous. Nobody has that right. Fuck'em, get the fuck out. Better yet, take a fall, twist your back and take a little vacation on their dime while you chill and figure shit out. Not my normal counsel but fuck them, they have some karmic bullshit to atone for.

Meanwhile, maybe start carrying a Mohican gunstock war club around campus and talk to it like its your friend (kinda half under your breath like she does, or like the burnt out CIA operative in the movie Volunteers when he would talk to his fighting knife "Mike"). Might keep the crazy bitch at bay 'til you decide to depart.
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the good news here is as follows.
1. you know how to read and write
2. You won't look out of place in an unemployment benefit line
3. No one will be surprised when you start using food stamps
4. you obviously spend no money on hair products anyway so the change in income wont effect the way you look.
5. If you were my worker I would have either had to give you a serious attitude adjustment or fire your ass.
6. The fact that you are crying and making such a fuss over a stupid, low paying. 'MANUAL LABOUR' job whilst you show everyone here that you can be an intelligent, sensitive, responsible person is just messed up.


You can do so much better with your life if your head was on right. (the amount of involvement here is proof that there is something not quite right.)

Solution: pair of scissors, razor blade (for shaving not for suicide) a bar of soap, enrol in some kind of higher education, find decent job with decent money and conditions, REMOVE HEAD FROM ONE'S own ASS!!!!!!!
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1. you know how to read and write
2. You won't look out of place in an unemployment benefit line
3. No one will be surprised when you start using food stamps
4. you obviously spend no money on hair products anyway so the change in income wont effect the way you look.
5. If you were my worker I would have either had to give you a serious attitude adjustment or fire your ass.
6. The fact that you are crying and making such a fuss over a stupid, low paying. 'MANUAL LABOUR' job whilst you show everyone here that you can be an intelligent, sensitive, responsible person is just messed up.


Bondi, to address some of your offering...

Besides being able to read any write, I think I might have a little more sense then you are giving me credit for.

I will not leave my job until I secure a new job.... which last time I looked took me one week of looking, one application, two days to get an interview and one to get hired. I've already gotten two calls back about two applications I put out and one interview so far.... but I'm taking my time and picking one I really want.

I feel your assertion about 'food stamps' is nothing more than a cheap shot...
I hope it made you feel good to say it.

Concerning my appearance.... I've had no issue getting work mate, in a vast array of settings from coast to coast in two countries, as I've moved over the years.

Which reminds me.... It's all fine and well to take cheap shots about people's appearance.... but thing is.... you wouldn't be able to do that unless I had posted pictures, to which I'd say I don't recall ever seeing one of you, brother.

Might be one of those pics yourself or gtfo situations?


But since you do know what I look like and have taken it upon yourself to make assumptions about me...... and maybe you've missed the thread where we talked about hair care and no-shampooing. I'd like to clear up that I wash my hair with aloe that I grow, made into a simple shampoo with water.... and I rinse with apple cider vinegar/water to set the ph correct, which means that my hair is very healthy without a lot of time or cost. So don't worry one hair on your head, about any of mine.


#5 If I sat down to interview with you, who knows what might happen? You are dealing in the realm of poor assumptions.... I'm sure we'd do just fine face to face. You are a pretty reasonable fellow and doubt you'd present yourself irl the way you do on YaHooka.


And about #6..... I don't think you read very far or else you'd clearly have seen this isn't just a manual labor job. I work in a classroom/trades program at a school, and the pay is really good......

That aside however... I fail to see how to see how the qualities you listed, and having a big frustration over a job that I was really excited, and thought would have lots of potential to bring two of my expertise together are mutually exclusive.

I'm just a person, brother, and I go through stuff like everyone else.


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You can do so much better with your life if your head was on right. (the amount of involvement here is proof that there is something not quite right.)

Solution: pair of scissors, razor blade (for shaving not for suicide) a bar of soap, enrol in some kind of higher education, find decent job with decent money and conditions, REMOVE HEAD FROM ONE'S own ASS!!!!!!!
Bondi.... Have you noticed how much time I've been around here in the last two years or so..... What was I doing during that time? Getting more education, changing up my career, and doing work that mattered to me, and got paid fairly and often well for it.... Apparently all the while with my head up my own arse


Cheers, Bondi...... I know half of your post was for your own benefit, but I wanted to take the time to give your some updates and reminders, since it's been some time.... since I haven't been around a lot or taken the time to give your guff the time of day.

I know you say you believe in me, as you've stated.... that you want the best for me.... and I appreciate you looking out for me.... but I gotta tell ya.... the abusive Dad thing never worked for me, so if you really care, I implore you to sound like it. Otherwise, move along, your humour isn't funny and your take on what's going on is malinformed and off the mark.
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Nobody has that right. Fuck'em, get the fuck out

Hey Galt... I just wanted to take the time to say I appreciate prior post and this one as well. I would definitely enjoy doing my own business thing... and perhaps someday I'll figure out how to do that. Moving makes this hard... and I've done a lot of that..... So what I did was get some schooling and diversify my job skills, so that as I move I'm able to find my way into work that I want, not just work I have to take to survive. (Which I've done a few times and actually those have been really neat jobs I've never have imagined doing)

I guess I'd say the hard part for me here isn't that life has bumps.... I had a lot of hope for this transition and this is the sort of job that I envisioned when I started to get more training to work with people in need.... and the goal of bringing my plant work into it as well. Simply... it's crummy that I am left with little option, and that it feels unfair that I have to move on when it seems clear to me, that many people find my boss eccentric.... and hard to work with..... just a hard pill, ya know?

The upside is that I have the experiencing now, and it's a little closer to being able to envision what I might do myself with such a chance, or with a program I could develop and deliver myself.


What I came here to 'whine' about isn't to just .....

I thought I would share with a group of people that I trust, in my time of hardship, get some support, have some laughs, let Bondi have some low blows and try to share more of my life story.... Folks seem to get this inflated idea of who I am, despite the fact that I don't just share sunshine and rainbows all time....


Many layers.... ya know? As well I figured folks would have some good, encouraging ideas, like you shared.... and I appreciate that and the time you took to resource what you shared.


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Isn't bondi the one who is always crying about how slow this place is, yet when people do share he is all like "the amount of involvement here is proof that there is something not quite right."?
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