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Old 07-02-2017, 12:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well, it is with a very heavy heart, that I have to tell of our beloved Jasmine was killed yesterday. I think it was something wild, and I am on the war path.

She spent all day with me, as I was metal detecting around the yard, she was always within 6 feet of me. Yesterday evening, I grilled dinner, and both the girls were with me. The grill is only about 50 feet from the house. We usually bring them in between 6:30 and 7:30, but got side tracked yesterday. I finished the food, and started walking back up to the house, and I told both girls, "Ya'll come on, let's go to the house!" They watched me, and I figured they would come along in a minute.

I got inside and had to cook something on the stove, in about 20 minutes, my wife was going to get them and bring them in. She found Jasmine dead and already getting stiff. Of course my wife started screaming hysterically, I didn't know what the hell was going on. I grabbed my .410 shotgun and ran out the door, but was nothing we could do. She didn't look so chewed up, some wetness around her head and neck, but her abdomen was sliced open like with a knife. I don't know what could have done it... Poor Lily saw it all, and had climbed a tree and then got on the roof of an outbuilding. It's a very low building and I was able to reach up and get her...when we were walking back up to the house, she saw Jasmine's body about 20 feet away and freaked. She like to clawed my arms off trying to get away. I had to turn her away and hurry to the house.

Me and the wife are devastated, she was so sweet. The bad thing is, yesterday was the 1 year anniversary of Sadie passing. And today was the girl's 1st birthday. We were planning on giving them some special birthday treats. She was so innocent, they have never even been in a scrap with another cat.

Lily spent the night on the bed with us, which we never let them do before, but we didn't want her to be alone....not that me or my wife slept any at all, or could eat any dinner last night. Today, Lily has just been sitting staring out the window, she hasn't even asked to go out. I guess we will be making her an indoor cat now. We should have both of them earlier, but Jasmine was an outside girl, she stayed outside as much as possible, not even coming in to get a drink or eat very often. She was very fast and heavy, she was prolly over 10 pounds.... I don't see how anything could of caught her...and it had to attacked her almost as soon as I went in the house. She was only about 20 feet from where I saw her last, when I took the food in.

Update: I am pretty sure it was a fox. I found a paw print on the top of our grill, which I had set on the ground when I didn't need it yesterday. There wasn't a print on it then. And an older lady down the street, found a little dog and cat dead in her yard, both with their belly's ripped open like Jasmine's. Now, it's war.... I have seen a fox a few times, and about a month ago, I was sitting on the front porch, and one came from behind the house and crossed the road. Shortly as it neared the woods, another came out and they playfully ran to a spot where there is a woodpile, and disappeared. I think they could have a den there.

I took the picture of her in the garden last week, they both followed me everywhere. When we went out in the morning, they would hang around close by, until I walked around and everything looked safe, then they would follow me... We are sure going to miss this little girl!
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Old 07-02-2017, 02:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Having a beloved pet killed is always heart wrenching. Probably like you said a hungry fox with kits in her den to feed. Now that she has found a potential food source it will be back and your other kitty is in danger.
I had a fight with a cougar last week that didn't have any fear of humans and grabbed a chicken in my coop right in front of me. She was young and stupid and received a fairly heavy blow to the head from a fence post I had nearby and dropped my hen and jumped back over the fence dinnerless.
Called conservation and they said can't shoot it and most likely a dumbass neighbour has been feeding it scraps so it's lost it's fear of humans...apparently you can't shoot the dumb ass neighbour either
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My kitty is out right now and not coming in right away and this makes me nervous.

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Old 07-02-2017, 03:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Having a beloved pet killed is always heart wrenching. Probably like you said a hungry fox with kits in her den to feed. Now that she has found a potential food source it will be back and your other kitty is in danger.
I had a fight with a cougar last week that didn't have any fear of humans and grabbed a chicken in my coop right in front of me. She was young and stupid and received a fairly heavy blow to the head from a fence post I had nearby and dropped my hen and jumped back over the fence dinnerless.
Called conservation and they said can't shoot it and most likely a dumbass neighbour has been feeding it scraps so it's lost it's fear of humans...apparently you can't shoot the dumb ass neighbour either
We aren't letting our other girl out. About a month ago, Jasmine had an abscess on her leg, and we thought something had gotten here then. But talking to the vet, he said prolly another cat, but they have never been around other cats but twice, and I was there then, no fights. So I figured her sister did it, since they would get a little rough with each other, once in awhile. So we said we weren't letting them back out, but Jasmine was an outside girl, never wanted to come in, until it was time. Then she never put up a fight, she would see me coming and come right to me, to pick her up and take her in. But they acted so depressed for a week, and wanted out so badly, we gave in.

Now, I actually think Lily is too scared to go out. She didn't sleep much/good last night, and neither did we. Today, she has just been laying around, dozing once in awhile, but gets startled easily. Has hardly used the litter box, or eaten maybe two or three times, so I know she is prolly in shock still. She looks lost without her sister. We wonder if maybe Jasmine saved her sister, giving her time to get up the tree. And where Jasmine was attacked, looked like she might have tried to get to the tree.

I aim to get them damn foxes, one way or another. I am calling the game warden tomorrow and see if they can come trap them, if not, I have a very handy 12 gauge, and I will set out bait and wait for them. I wouldn't want to starve the little ones, but they got to go! We all have been in a daze today, don't want no drink, smoke, and would go to bed and sleep the whole day and night away, if I could....
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Man that just sucks.
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This is just terrible. I am so sorry for your loss.
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Damn, I couldn't get this out of my mind. Keep Lily inside, you'll rest easier. I know cats love the outdoors but they do adapt to indoor life quite nicely.
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Damn, I couldn't get this out of my mind. Keep Lily inside, you'll rest easier. I know cats love the outdoors but they do adapt to indoor life quite nicely.
Thanks, that's what we plan on doing. Especially after what we found out today... Last night I was rubbing Lily, and found a thick nap of hair on her belly and on her side. I tried to pick through it, to see if we could cut it off, she has real long hair, but it was like it was against her skin. I know these places can make sores, so we called the vet and took her to have it clipped.

They took her in back, and in a few minutes they brought her back to show us, that damn fox like to have got her. What I thought was a hair knot, was a 2 inch incision, they didn't mention the one on her side. So it's like we were starting to think... we think the fox attacked Lily, and Jasmine tried to save her, Lily was able to escape and Jasmine wasn't. So just like the neighbor's dog and cat, these damn foxes go for the belly. Jasmine was a really fast girl, Lily, not so much. Every day when I would eat lunch, I eat on the front porch... I would call the girls and go on around from the back door to the front, and about time I would get around the corner, Jasmine would come running, sounded like a stampeded of horses, and stop just past me, and then walk on up to the porch. they would both just hang out under the trees or on the porch with me until I finished.

Also one of the vet techs told us, she has watched foxes many times, and what they will do is, watch the cat, from a distance. Then another day, get a little closer, to the point they get close enough to the cat, and the cat thinks they aren't a danger. So when the cat lets it's guard down, the fox moves in for the kill... sonofabitches!!!
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Also one of the vet techs told us, she has watched foxes many times, and what they will do is, watch the cat, from a distance. Then another day, get a little closer, to the point they get close enough to the cat, and the cat thinks they aren't a danger. So when the cat lets it's guard down, the fox moves in for the kill... sonofabitches!!!
I think your vet tech is full of shit. Did she do a stake out on a particular fox? Wild animals kill domestic pets, that is just a given. I know you are hurting but trying to get revenge isn't going to bring back your lost pet.
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I think your vet tech is full of shit. Did she do a stake out on a particular fox? Wild animals kill domestic pets, that is just a given. I know you are hurting but trying to get revenge isn't going to bring back your lost pet.
She went to college, maybe they watched video? It doesn't really matter, but I wouldn't be surprised, foxes are smart.

No, getting revenge, won't bring her back, but there have been more neighborhood animals killed, it needs to be stopped. Not to mention, there have been two rabies cases reported within about 30 miles of us this year.

I called the game warden, and they say they don't trap, could give me numbers to people who do it for a living. I know a guy already, was in my beekeeper's club, he wants $700. So the Game Warden gave me a special permit to trap, kill foxes, since they are out of season... actually I didn't know there was a fox season around here. Game on bitches!!!
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She went to college, maybe they watched video? It doesn't really matter, but I wouldn't be surprised, foxes are smart.

No, getting revenge, won't bring her back, but there have been more neighborhood animals killed, it needs to be stopped. Not to mention, there have been two rabies cases reported within about 30 miles of us this year.

I called the game warden, and they say they don't trap, could give me numbers to people who do it for a living. I know a guy already, was in my beekeeper's club, he wants $700. So the Game Warden gave me a special permit to trap, kill foxes, since they are out of season... actually I didn't know there was a fox season around here. Game on bitches!!!
Trapping is cruel. If you feel the need to kill fox at least be humane about it. If you live in an area where there are wild animals you will be fighting a losing battle. You are in their habitat.
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Trapping is cruel. If you feel the need to kill fox at least be humane about it. If you live in an area where there are wild animals you will be fighting a losing battle. You are in their habitat.
I would never trap using steel traps, I don't have any... I have one of those cage, live traps, but not sure a fox would even fit in it, I think raccoons, possums would.

The permit they gave me says you are not allowed to live trap rabies-prone species and relocate, raccoons, fox, bobcat, skunk, coyotes...

I plan to just shoot....

We have lived here 11 years, only saw 2 grey foxes, until the last year, now seeing more red. The road we live on is just outside city limits, there are about 18-20 house on the 1 mile stretch of road. There is a subdivision behind us maybe, 100-200 yards, with woods between. There is an empty 2 acre lot across the road, they keep the grass cut, and some woods behind that....
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Good to hear. Those steel traps just plain suck.
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I set my live trap cage out Thursday, with a little chicken in it... I know I prolly screwed up, because I have read that fox can smell really good like a dog, and I might have touched it without gloves, when I dug it out of the shed.

I checked it Friday and nothing, checked it today, and had a young raccoon in it. He wasn't a baby, but he wasn't full grown either. I felt sorry for it, with those soulful eyes...wouldn't have killed it anyways. Took me awhile to figure out how to let him out, so I could get out of the way. I finally did, and it just slowly walked on into the woods.

I have been looking at video of fox and cat encounters, and reading a lot. Some stuff I have seen, seems mostly in the UK, said a grown cat would run a fox away. But I think our babies were too innocent, they never encountered anything to fear, not even a bully cat...and possibly, there could have been two fox, since I have seen two together back in April, and farther down our road several years ago. It's not going to be easy, but my girl is going to have vengeance, and hopefully make it safer for our other baby.

Me and my wife are still having a hard time dealing with this, it seems like a nightmare, that couldn't possibly happen to us, but it did....
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