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Old 10-21-2009, 05:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Intravaneous Depakote?

I'm wondering if any of you know if it's possible to get injections of depakote/valproate/valproic acid (whatever it's called) for bipolar disorder? Besides that I'd like to know if the intravaneous form is damaging to the liver.

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Old 10-21-2009, 06:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i dont know anything about it but it sounds like a bad idea. why do you want to know in the first place
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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First - Wrong forum(OH's is better for this...)
Second - Don't slam pills..
Third - Don't slam pills that don't get you high..

I mean I understand the desire to work a needle but just use your head...

Seeing as how the liver filters blood of impurities, I'd be willing to bet a couple dollars it isn't benign to inject anything into your body...
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Old 10-23-2009, 12:54 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No no, not recreational...I dont think it'd be a very good high anyways haha.

I was on depakote for a few years and I had to stop because I was drinking and doing some nasty drugs which really ate up my liver.

Also the musician daniel johnston almost died from kidney failure a few years back from lithium. Now Ive heard depakote is less dangerous, but I dont see the point of sanity if youre gonna die at 45.

I'm just wondering if you can get a doctor to give you daily(?) injections of the medicine, and if so, would this be harmful to your liver? If it is harmful, do you think it would be less harmful?

I'm just weighing my options. Ive been a little manic lately and should probably do the responsible thing and take the meds...So I wanna see if I can do it without destroying my vital organs.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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There's always the chance that down the road you don't really need to be taking anything.
That line is said a lot in circles of ppl taking psych meds. The truth is that they are extremely hard to come off of, and most people who take them for more than a few years never will stop. So don't kid yourself and anyone else.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm one of the few people who can say they did stop taking them. It's been almost 3 years completely prescription drug free. I take absolutely nothing.

You made it sound like you still take them.

When I was on those meds I didn't care about anything, not even my hygiene. Today I am actually accomplishing something. I'm getting a 3.5 full time in school majoring in the hardest subject: accounting.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:35 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 10-23-2009, 08:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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the hardest subject: accounting.
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Old 10-23-2009, 08:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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...Also the musician daniel johnston almost died from kidney failure a few years back from lithium. Now Ive heard depakote is less dangerous, but I dont see the point of sanity if youre gonna die at 45.

I'm just wondering if you can get a doctor to give you daily(?) injections of the medicine, and if so, would this be harmful to your liver? If it is harmful, do you think it would be less harmful?

I'm just weighing my options. Ive been a little manic lately and should probably do the responsible thing and take the meds...So I wanna see if I can do it without destroying my vital organs.
Granted it's just speculation, but Johnston is likely on a pretty high dose of lithium if not a combination of a few others. He's also not a very healthy individual otherwise I don't think. Depakote is indeed less dangerous than lithium.

The only way you'll be getting daily injections of psych meds is in the psych ward, and that isn't any fun. I don't see an injectable form being any better for your liver however. Like scatter said, to my knowledge Depakote injections are only done on an almost monthly basis.

Are you cycling on and off of your meds? That's probably worse for you than just riding shit out depending on how bad your episodes are. There are a decent amount of drugs geared towards treating mania but most of them are indeed pretty heavy shit and relatively zombifying. Best of luck though buddy.

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That line is said a lot in circles of ppl taking psych meds. The truth is that they are extremely hard to come off of, and most people who take them for more than a few years never will stop. So don't kid yourself and anyone else.
You are an idiot, plain and simple.

Not only does psych meds cover such a wide variety of medications and ailments that a ridiculous blanket statement like that is just asinine, it's also just untrue. I've been on my fair share of such medicines over the years for a plethora of different shit and haven't been on any medication for a few years now and am doing well. Them being extremely hard to come off of also depends on if we're talking going cold turkey, dosage, depends on the medication and depends on what you were taking it for.

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I'm one of the few people who can say they did stop taking them. It's been almost 3 years completely prescription drug free. I take absolutely nothing.

You made it sound like you still take them.

When I was on those meds I didn't care about anything, not even my hygiene. Today I am actually accomplishing something. I'm getting a 3.5 full time in school majoring in the hardest subject: accounting.
Kudos.

Accounting is the hardest subject in school? Why didn't anyone tell me?
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:31 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Psych meds do cover a wide variety of medications that are all brutal to the physical part of the body.

I would get lab tests done and my blood sugar, tryglycerides, cholesterol, blood pressure, were all in bad shape. Today I am healthier than 99% of the human population.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Depakote makes your hair fall out. I'd rather be manic than bald
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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As far as Johnston go's I think he became unhealthy because of the lithium. As a young man he was skinny as hell like me. Then he went on lithium and started turning into a fat old man.

My symptoms go on and off. I will be totally normal for 8 months, then start to act really manic, then either slip into a short string of psychotic breaks and THEN slowly come back down, or if I'm lucky just get very manic and then normalize.

I write, and also write/play music so being on any psych meds is rough. It totally cuts out your soul.

Do the monthly injections cover you the whole month? I know depakote can be time released, but I didn't know for so long.

The reason I thought it may be better for the liver is because Ive heard that some people inject alcohol to bypass the liver. I really dont know if thats true or not though.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm sorry SB I thought you wanted to get high off of the stuff or something.

I know what you mean by med's stealing your soul as well. I'm off meds but there's times where I look back and think damnn I should be on them. Yeah Lithium works but it still can throw you for a loop and a half. Most med's do have weight gain or weight loss side-effects and I have no idea why.

Talk to your doctor about it.

That's really all I had to add.
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Old 10-23-2009, 08:05 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the input guys. I know people on here often say questions like this arent good to ask to a forum of stoners, but Ive found that stoners and other drug users often have or know someone who has some kind of mental illness, AND stoners often spend a ton of time researching weird subjects like this.
While I would never use it in place of a doctor's opinion, it atleast gives me some kind of starting ground.
I've grown to think of manic depression as more of a gift than anything, but in this world of black and white, up and down, left and right, right and wrong it's a bit hard to function.

Everything Ive found on the net says that lithium doesnt metabolize in the liver thus rarely causing liver damage, but they say it does affect other things. Heres on thing I found:

Lithium is not usually known to cause liver damage, when taken
alone. Liver damage may occur if lithium is taken concurrently with
other drugs, which are outlined further down in the answer. Often,
liver and kidney function tests are drawn for baseline values before
therapy is started. The same tests will be repeated by your doctor,
periodically, and compared with the baseline results. Lithium, as a
salt and electrolyte, similar in structure to sodium and potassium, is
cleared by the kidneys. The organs most affected by lithium are the
kidneys, heart, thyroid, and the central nervous system (CNS).
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damn you guys are intelligent...and they say marijuana makes you stupid....as if
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:13 AM   #16 (permalink)
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For a 2 year degree, accounting is the hardest and most technical. The only subjects harder are advanced math (calculus) and some sciences like physics, chemistry, etc. An accounting degree is the same difficulty as a degree in medicine.
You guys don't even know... maybe you took acct 1 and thought it was easy to grasp, but it gets so much harder after that.
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My girlfriend's sister's husband took accounting and can barely find a job though. Same with my friend who went to school to become a medical assistant.
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There's always the chance that down the road you don't really need to be taking anything.
This is sooo honest. Oddly there is a feeling aroused in every person taking psych meds that to feel their soul in a cleaner way they must quit taking the meds. People are about emotions and depakote flattens one's emotions, sounds sad huh? Well find freedom, search and find freedom even if you are yo make your own trail, my friend is wishing to find freedom from any psych meds. Maybe my friend will follow your trail.
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My friend was on depakote and a couple other bipolar meds and he hated them they made him fat made him a zombie and completely ruined his libido even after he stopped taking them. Now he gets IM shots of a drug that is called Risperal(sp) i think and he says it works great he said side effects are very minimal compared to all the other drugs he has been on. The only thing he doesnt like about it is that he has to goto the dr. 2 times a month. He used to go manic and be completely insane even when he was taking his other drugs now he is a completely different person. He hasnt gone manic in over a year and if u just met him you would have no idea that he is bipolar/manic depressive. So maybe you should look into it. He has to get his enzyme levels checked everytime and theyre always normal and he drinks quite a bit.
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