CowMan

Hey everyone,

My friend is in town and he's been battling cancer the last 3 years. It is a rare form of cancer that left tumors all over his organs, including his heart, lungs, stomach, testicles etc. He's had multiple surgeries and he has been battling the pain with the heavy med's that the doctors prescribe to someone like him but now that he's home for a few weeks I think he might appreciate getting lifted.

I'm trying to determine the best way to allow him to ingest the THC. As I mentioned he's had stomach AND lung surgeries so both smoking and eating the weed might be difficult. I do have a vaporizer that he could use and I feel that may be the safest way. However I have coughed more then once using a vaporizer so I don't know if the hot "vapor" would be damaging. (it's a vaporizer in the vein of the "volcano" but alows for bag's or whips to be used)

He has difficulty drinking water so I imagine that eating something as heavy as a brownie would be too much for him to digest, if there is something easier on the stomach that you might suggest I'd like to hear it.

And basically if anyone has an experience with this please share!

Thanks!

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Captain Cannabis

my friend who had osteosarcoma used the vaporizor all the time. you might want to look into tinctures if that is not an option. from what my friend said the weed helped with nausea and creating appetite from all the chemo.

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profit

make brownies, its best to heat and eat the raw plant material. there are ~63 cannabinoids, make use of them.

if you have dried plant material (no stems) you can heat in the oven at 225 for 10-30 mins and enjoy lots of calming contenting cbd. sometimes i enjoy this even more than smoking. its like taking 100 advils. shit works.

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Mafoo

@profit: you do that and then cook with it or you just eat it as is? lol

talking about the 225 oven

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Captain Cannabis

its called decarboxylation and as long as you get the temps right you can just eat nugs

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Mafoo

oh so it just activates the CBD not the thc?

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Captain Cannabis

it all depends on how long and what temperature and humidity and such and such

you can decarboxylation both cbds and thc

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Mafoo

im taking biochem right now so hopefully ill eventually understand how that works.

i know about carboxyl groups and such, but ive never read about this before.

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Captain Cannabis

essentially what you do to smoke weed is decarboxylate it with fire. random googling lead me to some interesting threads where people were decarboxylating their weed at different temperatures (getting specific mixes of CBDs and THC) and then blending it with normal weed in different proportions (for the aromatics/terpenes that are lost in decarboxylation) and vaping it to fine tune the effects (ie: getting rid of paranoia/anxiety when smoking certain strains)

opens up a whole new world of weed smoking nerdiness

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By Ed Rosenthal - Thursday, January 2 2003
Tags: Ask Ed,CC40,GROWING,Indo or.
Does marijuana have to be heated to become psychoactive?

Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive. When marijuana is smoked, the THC behind the hot spot is vaporized as the hot air from the burn is drawn through the joint or pipe bowl to the unburned material. The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200? C (355-392? F). Before they turn gaseous, at around 106? C (220? F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.

You will be extracting the THC using low heat in the commercially made Coldfinger Extractor. (They have a very interesting online catalog at Eden Labs LLC - Manufacturers of Herbal Extraction & CO2 Extraction Equipment). The THC will not reach a temperature in which decarboxylation takes place. However, if you plan to vaporize or smoke the extract decarboxylation will take place as the oil is used.

However, it is easy to make sure all the THC is decarboxylated and is at full strength before it is extracted. Although decarboxylation takes place rapidly at 106? C, it proceeds at a more gradual pace by placing the cannabis in a room with low relative humidity and room temperature. As the temperature rises, the rate of decarboxylation increases.

Cannabis can also be placed in a food dehydrator to remove the carboxyl group. Although the heat in the food dehydrator doesn't rise to 106? C, the temperature is warm enough to promote drying and the release of the water and CO2. When the marijuana is crispy and brittle you can be assured that the carboxyl group has been removed from the cannabinoids and they are ready for extraction or removal from the plant material.

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CowMan

Hi all, thanks for the responses and please forgive my lack of chemistry background (was always more of a physics guy) What you are suggesting with the decarboxylation is that by heating the weed, slowly and gradually you are removing potentially damaging substances from the weed? And this also allows it to be eaten as straight up plant matter to get the effects? Very interesting. Also interesting is that it seems you suggest that removing this carboxyl group will lead to a more pleasant and stronger high, from less weed. In the ed rosenthal article they are say that you can put the weed in a cold, dry room that will heat up during the day and that helps with the decarboxization.

In returning to the topic at hand, my friend was even having a hard time drinking water. He claimed it to be like intense stabbing pain in his stomach. I can not imagine that he would be able to swallow weed straight up. I thought maybe there was some kind of tea I might be able to make that would be easier to drink (warm, calming effects). I guess I could place the decarboxyized (???) weed in a tea mixture because at that point it is active.

In looking at tinctures, I know he is under orders to not drink alcohol so i do not know if this is an option. I am however interested in the extraction method mentioned in the above article. Is it right to assume that an extract produced in such a way would be a safer substance to vaporize? or is this more of a "potency" increasing method?

I still think that because of his stomach surgeries and the pain I witnessed him in while drinking water he would be better off inhaling it. He is actually finished his chemo treatments, tho he does have more surgeries to remove tumors coming up over the next few years. I am hoping he might find that the experience is pleasant and could help him find a way to manage his pain without having to destroy his liver taking Oxycontin and percocet.

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Waves

i would just vape if i were him

on a side note, cowman, what the fuck is up bro???

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Roach

it is better to smoke just grass/hash oil than buds, as there is much less wood/plant material.

no, you are converting any remaining THCA (thc acid) into THC.

Since alcohol ingestion is out of the way, I'd suggest butane extraction to some nice "budder" (whipped oil), and use that in the vape..

let the vaporizer bag cool a bit, and no "pure white" hits.

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Waves

the potentially damaging substances in weed are a result of you burning the plant, if i remember right

by itself weed is not damaging at all its like eating salad

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deadhead94

Is it tuberous sclerosis? Its a rare multi-systemic disease characterized by tumors all over the body. They usually aren't malignant, but most people also associate tumors with cancer. Although, it does produce malignant ones sometimes.

Just curious.

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