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Old 01-04-2014, 10:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have been reading up about CBD's anti-psychotic effects and been wondering if this is why schizophrenics are heavy marijuana smokers. Supposedly, CBDs are more effective than anti-psychotic meds without the side-affects.

Could this explain marijuana addiction? Most marijuana users are casual users, smoking at parties, after work etc. If they cant smoke, its no big deal and do without.

If a heavy smoker is using to self-medicate SZ, coimg off marijuana is going to make them psychotic. Meds used for marijuana addiction tend to be anti-psychotics like Resperdal and Seroquel.

Before the invention of anti-psychotics, morphine and other opiates were sometimes given to SZ's in asylums. It would help calm them down and make them more manageable.

This could explain the gateway theory. SZ's tend to be unpleasant to be around, so legit dealers will cut them off. The self-medicating SZ becomes isolated and vulnerable to husters of hard drugs like heroin.

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I have a hard time believing SZ's are less 'unpleasant' if given a constant supply of CBD.

Marijuana in any form exacerbates all mental disorders. For immediate relief, whatever poison the 'patient' prefers is going to do the job, in the short term.

Your argument fails by saying 'withdrawal causes psychosis'. As if CBD provides some kind of necessary balancing effect. It's the same argument psychiatrists use for their drugs. Same bullshit. All drugs are bad despite some being less harmful/more effective.
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All drugs are bad despite some being less harmful/more effective.
Do you even know what the human life span was prior to modern medicine? It doesn't average over 40 until nearly modern day. It wasn't until the mid 20th century, when the same drugs you decry as "all bad" were developed. Oh, did you mean to omit drugs you don't have a bias against, like NSAIDs or Antibiotics?
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Do you even know what the human life span was prior to modern medicine? It doesn't average over 40 until nearly modern day. It wasn't until the mid 20th century, when the same drugs you decry as "all bad" were developed. Oh, did you mean to omit drugs you don't have a bias against, like NSAIDs or Antibiotics?
My argument is not against modern medicine. It's commonly accepted that marijuana increases paranoia and exacerbates psychosis.

The initial calming effect being used to justify it's use with SZ's is nonsensical. I am borderline psychotic and can say with first hand experience that all drugs are harmful.

People with severe mental disorders are a burden no doubt. I'd advocate a strait jacket and isolation over medications. The former is less cruel actually.
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My argument is not against modern medicine. It's commonly accepted that marijuana increases paranoia and exacerbates psychosis.

The initial calming effect being used to justify it's use with SZ's is nonsensical. I am borderline psychotic and can say with first hand experience that all drugs are harmful.

People with severe mental disorders are a burden no doubt. I'd advocate a strait jacket and isolation over medications. The former is less cruel actually.
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I've been more fiendish with weed than you could imagine. It's the only drug that provides instantaneous relief to my ailment. In the long run it's made management of my symptoms (mostly depression and anxiety) worse.

I smoked every day almost constantly (close to 1/8th) when I was 20 for about the whole year. I guess my depression was under control since I was always in a haze, but my paranoia was through the roof. Impulse control was also an issue and I had some problems.

In dealing with schizos you have to consider first and foremost that most of them will never improve much and they will be difficult to deal with. I don't think I fit that diagnosis but I'm pretty close.
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You're complaining about your weed habits to a man who smokes the equivalent of 2 oz of high grade herb in BHO every week. Not that it's much to be proud of, (and I do it because I like to be high, not because I think it's an effective problem solver) but your complaints do not impress me, Young Skywalker.

The real difference maker as far as situations go is, I go to work. I do it sober. I don't let drugs rule my life. I set goals for myself for the future and actually DO SHIT to make them happen, instead of complaining about how unfair it all is.
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I agree, but sometimes they cant a steady supply(money/connection), then they might turn to booze or other drugs.

If a SZ is self medicating with marijuana and has to do without, his symptoms are going be much worse.

I was friends with a paranoid schizophrenic. Most of the time he was cool, but sometimes he would get paranoid and anxious. THen it would make everyone in the group nervous and paranoid. When he would run out, he would become angry and rant and rave like a lunatic. No one wants to be around that.

btw, im not against marijuana. Just thinking out loud as to where marijuana gets tied to schizophrenia and why schizophrenics like to smoke it. I believe it could help them, especially with the different strains and different ratios of thc and cbd.

my friend got into meth and don't know what happened to him.

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Marijuana in any form exacerbates all mental disorders. For immediate relief, whatever poison the 'patient' prefers is going to do the job, in the short term.

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Also, some weed has been stepped on with pesticides etc. Those harmfull affects will show up in heavy smokers like sz's. It could cause brain damage and make their symptoms worse.

I am not saying marijuana causes sz, just why schizophrenics like to smoke it.
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You're complaining about your weed habits to a man who smokes the equivalent of 2 oz of high grade herb in BHO every week. Not that it's much to be proud of, (and I do it because I like to be high, not because I think it's an effective problem solver) but your complaints do not impress me, Young Skywalker.

The real difference maker as far as situations go is, I go to work. I do it sober. I don't let drugs rule my life. I set goals for myself for the future and actually DO SHIT to make them happen, instead of complaining about how unfair it all is.
If you had a mental illness, things might be different. Also youre in an area of easy access and don't have to deal with hustlers. Some are so evil to spray green paint or other shit on schwagg to make it look better.
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saw an example on the internet. Ive heard of bug killer being sprayed on weed. Who knows whats in schwag? Hustlers will put shit into it to fuck up the user

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If you had a mental illness, things might be different. Also youre in an area of easy access and don't have to deal with hustlers. Some are so evil to spray green paint or other shit on schwagg to make it look better.
I used to deal with the BS when I lived in Texas. But dude, nobody ever spray painted their weed. Lol.
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