zerodown

if you can show people how ignorant(not in an offensive way, but as in they lack knowledge on a subject way) they are instead...

I've had a lot of debates over the years with people who are against decriminalization, and I've noticed that people already have formed opinions on their minds, so arguing your points against someone is pointless because they don't really want to hear your side of the story, they just want to tell you how wrong you are. Instead, why not just ask them how they came to the conclusion of how marijuana is so bad? Its a powerful question, because on this subject, people who are against it just repeat the propaganda that is on the media, but they have no actual source of information, no data, no knowledge, and once they realize they are ignorant on the subject, then they might start listening to you, or at least they will go home and look for some data to prove you wrong in which case they'll only find marijuana is not really bad as they have been told and they'll inform themselves better.

You have to show people that they are ignorant(not in an offensive way) before you try to convince them that their opinion might be wrong, because no one wants to be wrong, so instead of showing people they are wrong, show them they don't know anything about the subject.

I don't know if it makes sense to you guys, but there is nothing to lose, try it and comment.

NorcalCarl

I get what your saying people love to quote facts and don't really care where they heard it. If the news said XXX then XXX must be true. I heard it on TV!!! I haven't had much success trying to change peoples opinions.
I was a museum with a girl and there was a whole display on evolution showing various species leading up to ours and she still didn't believe it.

Sometimes it is easy to not see and remain ignorant so nothing will change them until shit goes bad and their daily life is affected. No water no shelter, no food and then people will listen until then I dunno what to do. Bomb fox News

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Mafoo

i think youll find that many issues are like this. people make up their minds and theres not much you can do to change them

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Grieves

Your opinion is the only one you are entitled to...

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super.admin

idk, if people really do find themselves ignorant on the subject, I don't necessarily think they're going to be enlightened by the truth... if they think something is wrong, they are going to find propaganda to support their statements. The same question can be asked to our cause as well. It's the same mentality with anything really... religion, politics, etc, etc, etc

Tough to change people's minds...

Roach

Debate or debating is a formal method of interactive and representational argument.
Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, which only examine the consistency from axiom, and factual argument, which only examine what is or isn't the case or rhetoric which is technique of persuasion.
Though logical consistency, factual accuracy as well as some emotional appeal to audience are important elements of the art of persuasion, in debating, one side often prevails over the other side by presenting superior "context" and/or framework of the issue, which is far more subtle and strategic.

In a formal debating contest, there are rules for people to discuss and decide on differences, within a framework defining how they will interact. Informal debate is a common occurrence, but the quality and depth of a debate improves with knowledge and skill of its participants as debaters. Deliberative bodies such as parliaments, legislative assemblies, and meetings of all sorts engage in debates. The outcome of a debate may be decided by audience vote, by judges, or by some combination of the two. Formal debates between candidates for elected office, such as the leaders debates and the U.S. presidential election debates, are common in democracies.




YaHooka is a discussion board that is often mistaken for a set of debating forums.

particularly in cannabis and politics forums.

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Debaser

I find the best way to make people look at things differently is to use the "lead by example" mentality. Be a good person, take care of your responsibilities, treat people right, be the guy in the neighborhood that everyone likes, be the guy that makes the anti-weed people say "I can't beleive HE smokes!"

Debating is good too though, it keeps your mind sharp for when you inevitably have to defend your habit against people who have never done it, had an isolated bad experience with it, or otherwise just think they know better than you.

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zerodown

Hmmm, we could turn this thread into something else. When debating, which points work best? What works best for you when talking to people about it?

Mafoo

if i must try to debate my opinion i usually try to place the person in my shoes. i find that if i can get people to think about how it is for other people they can usually, at least, see the validity of my actions.

for debating about weed i like to reference alcohol and tobacco's legal statuses, or talk about how people may own guns but i cant smoke a joint (which never killed anyone) etc.

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zerodown

Im trying that with my girlfriend, she wants me to quit smoking weed because, well, because she was raised on a weed-is-the-baddest household. So i got her to accept a deal, for a year she must smoke with me and then if she still thinks its a bad thing i'll quit, so yeah im betting that she'll see my point, plus I show her videos and texts about the subject so she starts getting other sources of information other than her mom's "weed is bad and you will go to hell if you do it" rhetoric...

Mafoo

i dont know about making her smoke with you for a year but definitely try to explain that it isnt a product of satan and its cool if you can be responsible and still do it.

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FineazPR

I DON'T debate with people on this subject, 'cause its my business.Tell you this though, I have had a pal or two suffering the effects of chemo, etc. and other such treatments and here they are at my door, looking for some relief, and can I help them out? Then NOBODY wants to debate. MJ has more good in it than bad, and I feel we should have it made available for alll who want it. Keep it simple , man!!

Debaser

That's a tough one, because all points generally work best, but you have to tailor them to the person you're debating with. For some people their biggest concern is the health implications, for others it's the legal status of the herb, and for even others it's the spiritual aspect.

The trick is debating in such a way that showcases just how damaging prohibition is to all these areas!

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