If you don't think children can see through the hypocrisy of this "message," you are

seattle420lover · 06-26-2009, 11:32 AM

Tobacco kills 450,000 Americans per year, alcohol 125,000, and marijuana 0. Yet 12 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana charges since 1970, with many going to jail and losing their cars, homes and even custody of their children. If you don't think children can see through the hypocrisy of this "message," you are seriously out of touch with the intellectual prowess of children.

Marijuana prohibition is a counterproductive fraud. It is an intellectually bankrupt policy that is causing far more harm than legalized marijuana ever could.

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seattle420lover · 06-26-2009, 11:33 AM

webdog said:
darral,
I very much agree with what you have to say. As you probably know, there are many ways and perspectives to look at any given issue. Simply put, the laws toward things such as Marijuana are made through associations which are actually quite true. I personally have never met a hardcore drug user, and I do know many from my old circles, that haven't smoked pot. However, I know tons of people who have gotten drunk and smoked tobacco who have never smoked pot. This is obviously a simplified perspective but it is really the type of rationale that is used in our system. I know the whole "gateway drug" terminology has been thrown around. It doesn't mean that all people who smoke pot will use other illicit drugs, but a majority of the time, the people who use "harder drugs" have started off using Marijuana.
As for the drug laws themselves, they need to be thrown out and reimplemented using scientific research to categorize them based on criteria such as: addictiveness, mind-altering capacity, ease in overdose. But then, the coffee and cigarette crowd would be really pissed.

seattle420lover · 06-26-2009, 11:36 AM

would legalized marijuana hurt wine sales our help it?

they only way to know is drink a bottle of wine and smoke a joint. that's what I gonna do for lunch today!
I'd like to read your marijuana and wine pairings, maybe if your good at wine and good at weed you could write a column in your local newspaper.

dubtrice · 06-26-2009, 03:07 PM

That "gateway drug" theory does make a good argument, as more often than not, it is true, many heavy drug users started from marijuana. But, the only reason it could be considered a gateway drug is because marijuana is illegal. I think that if marijuana were legal, there would be less marijuana users that make the choice to try harder drugs (meth, cocaine, etc..) (and im not speaking statistically)

Being · 06-26-2009, 03:20 PM

i disagree, i think alcohol is the real gateway drug, as from my experience in all three states i've lived in, alcohol is always the first substance used. but still, the gateway theory should have no implication on the legality of the substance

cantSEEme · 06-26-2009, 04:39 PM

lol. "gateway drug". propaganda bullshit. if you want to try a certain drug besides marijuana, you're going to, whether you smoke or not. and on that list of "real" gateway drugs, i would also like to add cigs. nicotine is a drug, too.

zerodown · 06-26-2009, 04:48 PM

My gateway drug was alcohol, now I smoke weed and very rarely drink alcohol and I don't think I'll ever do any other hard drug just because I smoke some weed.

~1~ · 06-26-2009, 05:06 PM

Oxygen is a 'gateway drug'...

The reason you go from one illegal drug to another, potentially harder drug is because pot is ILLEGAL, therefore you have to move in the types of circles where those types of drugs are obtained.

cantSEEme · 06-26-2009, 05:39 PM

just because the illegal substances are there doesnt necessarily mean a person is going to do them. in that situation, i think peer-pressure is more prevalent than the legality of marijuana. and imo, even if marijuana was legalized up to the point of recreational usage, i dont think it would have that much of an affect on other drugs and how much they are used. legalizing marijuana isnt going to stop people from drinking, shooting, snorting, dropping, rolling, ect...

06-26-2009, 11:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
seattle420lover YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 433 Thanks: 25 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	If you don't think children can see through the hypocrisy of this "message," you are Tobacco kills 450,000 Americans per year, alcohol 125,000, and marijuana 0. Yet 12 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana charges since 1970, with many going to jail and losing their cars, homes and even custody of their children. If you don't think children can see through the hypocrisy of this "message," you are seriously out of touch with the intellectual prowess of children. Marijuana prohibition is a counterproductive fraud. It is an intellectually bankrupt policy that is causing far more harm than legalized marijuana ever could. Alcohol Energy Drink Debate - NWCN Blog __________________ "The highest realms of thought are impossible to reach without first attaining to an understanding of compassion" SOCRATES, 470-399 BC

06-26-2009, 11:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
seattle420lover YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 433 Thanks: 25 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	webdog said: darral, I very much agree with what you have to say. As you probably know, there are many ways and perspectives to look at any given issue. Simply put, the laws toward things such as Marijuana are made through associations which are actually quite true. I personally have never met a hardcore drug user, and I do know many from my old circles, that haven't smoked pot. However, I know tons of people who have gotten drunk and smoked tobacco who have never smoked pot. This is obviously a simplified perspective but it is really the type of rationale that is used in our system. I know the whole "gateway drug" terminology has been thrown around. It doesn't mean that all people who smoke pot will use other illicit drugs, but a majority of the time, the people who use "harder drugs" have started off using Marijuana. As for the drug laws themselves, they need to be thrown out and reimplemented using scientific research to categorize them based on criteria such as: addictiveness, mind-altering capacity, ease in overdose. But then, the coffee and cigarette crowd would be really pissed. __________________ "The highest realms of thought are impossible to reach without first attaining to an understanding of compassion" SOCRATES, 470-399 BC

06-26-2009, 11:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
seattle420lover YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 433 Thanks: 25 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	would legalized marijuana hurt wine sales our help it? they only way to know is drink a bottle of wine and smoke a joint. that's what I gonna do for lunch today! I'd like to read your marijuana and wine pairings, maybe if your good at wine and good at weed you could write a column in your local newspaper. __________________ "The highest realms of thought are impossible to reach without first attaining to an understanding of compassion" SOCRATES, 470-399 BC

06-26-2009, 04:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	lol. "gateway drug". propaganda bullshit. if you want to try a certain drug besides marijuana, you're going to, whether you smoke or not. and on that list of "real" gateway drugs, i would also like to add cigs. nicotine is a drug, too. __________________

06-26-2009, 05:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
~1~ Successful Failure Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: where 'they' can't see. Posts: 10,905 Thanks: 443 Thanked 1,514 Times in 889 Posts	Oxygen is a 'gateway drug'... The reason you go from one illegal drug to another, potentially harder drug is because pot is ILLEGAL, therefore you have to move in the types of circles where those types of drugs are obtained. __________________ "And those who are successful, be always on your guard. Success walks hand in hand with failure, along Hollywood Boulevard" Ray Davies --------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Click Here Asshole

06-26-2009, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
dubtrice Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 417 Thanks: 83 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	That "gateway drug" theory does make a good argument, as more often than not, it is true, many heavy drug users started from marijuana. But, the only reason it could be considered a gateway drug is because marijuana is illegal. I think that if marijuana were legal, there would be less marijuana users that make the choice to try harder drugs (meth, cocaine, etc..) (and im not speaking statistically)

06-26-2009, 04:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 784 Thanks: 38 Thanked 168 Times in 131 Posts	My gateway drug was alcohol, now I smoke weed and very rarely drink alcohol and I don't think I'll ever do any other hard drug just because I smoke some weed.

06-26-2009, 05:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	just because the illegal substances are there doesnt necessarily mean a person is going to do them. in that situation, i think peer-pressure is more prevalent than the legality of marijuana. and imo, even if marijuana was legalized up to the point of recreational usage, i dont think it would have that much of an affect on other drugs and how much they are used. legalizing marijuana isnt going to stop people from drinking, shooting, snorting, dropping, rolling, ect... __________________

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