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<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible" target="_blank">The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth</a>
Extracted Textually from the Gospels
Compiled by Thomas Jefferson
Edited by Eyler Robert Coates, Sr.

. . . Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative.

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-- Thomas Jefferson

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Of Jesus] Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the the most lovely benevolence, and others, again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I separate, therefore, the dross; restore to him the former and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, the roguery of others of his disciples. Of this band of dupes and imposters, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus.
Jefferson Letter to W. Short, 1820.

But the greatest of all reformers of the depraved religion of his country was Jesus of Nazareth. Abstracting what is really his from the rubbish in which it is buried, easily distinguished by its lustre from the dross of his biographers, as is separable from that as diamonds from a dunghill, we have the outlines of a system of the most sublime morality of man ... The establishment of the innocent and genuine character of this benevolent morality, and the rescuing it from the imputation of imposture, which has resulted from artificial systems invented by ultra-Christian sects (*)... is most desirable.

(*) Jeffersons footnote: "The imaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity, original sin, atonement, regeneration, election, orders of hierarchy, etc. -TJ"
Jefferson Letter to W. Short Oct 31, 1819

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. Thomas Jefferson, 1823

The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion -- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic message to Malta.

This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
-- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all.
--Thomas Jefferson

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1814

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1823

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature. -- Thomas Jefferson

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.... Do not be frightened from this inquiry from any fear of its consequences. If it ends in the belief that there is no God, you will find
incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise...
-- Thomas Jefferson, in a 1787 letter to his nephew

The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma. -- Abraham Lincoln

Neither the trappings of robes, nor temples of stone, nor a fixed liturgy, nor an extensive literature or history is required to meet the test of beliefs cognizable under the Constitution as religious. So far as our law is concerned, one person's religious beliefs held for one day are presumptively entitled to the same protection as the beliefs of millions which have been shared for thousands of years.
-- Judge Jack Weinstein, New York State, 1977

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.
-- C. S. Lewis

Morality is always the product of terror; its chains and strait-waistcoats are fashioned by those who dare not trust others, because they dare not trust themselves, to walk in liberty.
-- Aldous Huxley

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression: for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach unto himself.
-- Thomas Paine

Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.
-- Daniel Webster

The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. -- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty", 1859

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
-- H.L. Mencken

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Christians don't practice what they preach .


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Old news is better than no news at all.

or is it bad news ?


ps.................f or that matter no religion does.

DdC

I disagree...

I think "Christians" practice exactly what they preach. Its just it has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus...
DdC

"The mission of the Christian Coalition is simple," says Pat Robertson. It is "to mobilize Christians -- one precinct at a time, one community at a time -- until once again we are the head and not the tail, and at the top rather than the bottom of our political system." Robertson predicts that "the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful political force in America by the end of this decade." And, "We have enough votes to run this country...and when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take over!" --Pat Robertson

"We want...as soon as possible to see a majority of the Republican Party in the hands of pro-family Christians by 1996."
--Pat Robertson, Denver Post, 10/26/92

"How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?"--Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p.227

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."
--Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressing the anti-gay rally in Des Moines, 2-11-96

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."-- George Bush

"Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea."
Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 10

"Arbitrary and capricious" is legal language that was used by DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis Young in 1988 to conclude that DEA was obligated under the Controlled Substances Act to reschedule marijuana as a prescription medicine. DEA Chief Administrator Robert Bonner proceeded to arbitrarily and capriciously disregard
Judge Young's well researched and reasoned decision, which the Act allowed him to do.)

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people."
Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi Vatican Concordant of 1933

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
--Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue,
The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

(talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/patrobertson.html" target="_blank">The Anti-Pat Robertson/Christian Coalition Site</a>

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Antediluvian

What Pat Robertson preaches ,is as much like Christianity ,as is what BinLaden taught was like Islam.

Both are fanatic radical extremists in their religion.

I don't care for either religion ,but will openly oppose the fanatic radical extremist versions of both/either.

Does that clear up where I stand for you. ?

Governor

Excellent find!

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Antediluvian
What Pat Robertson preaches ,is as much like Christianity ,as is what BinLaden taught was like Islam.
Both are fanatic radical extremists in their religion.
I don't care for either religion ,but will openly oppose the fanatic radical extremist versions of both/either.

Does that clear up where I stand for you.?

A Christian is a Christian is a Christian.
Fanatical Islamics preach violence Muslims don't. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falswell and Billy Graham and the Pope all sponsor the Ganjawar and represent the normal average views of the Christians. A big difference.

The point of the post was that this country was not founded on any Christianity or Christ or Dogma with a clean separation, unlike the bastardization taking place today.

As far as you getting personal about it, you obviously have me confused with someone who might possibly give a shit about your religion or lack thereof. Not I. I only corrected your generality that went swoosh right over your head anyway. You can't be straddling this Ganjawar fence. Its them or us, period! If Christians don't like the association with the Coalitionists then its up to them to change it. If they don't like the representation they receive with Robertson Falswell Inc. then that too is up to them to remove it. Now, like it or not, in reality they represent the Christians and not many are speaking out against them. Like the man said. The priest is the first to side with the despot. Nothing much changes in that sense...
DdC

Governor
Excellent find!

Thanks gov. They were stoners too!
This historical description from one of the websites describes Jeffersons retirement days as a hermit spending his days contemplating. Attending the Hashish Expo with Franklin...
God Bless America...
where ever she may be I hope she returns soon!
DdC

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patriot

It never ceases to amaze me how many wars are fought in "The Name Of God."

If it truly was Middle East "terrorists" that was responsible for 9/11, they most likely did that in the name of Allah.

Most people do not know that Korea and Viet Nam were due to Catholicism. Communism was the Catholic religion's biggest competitor.

True Christians want to be peaceful.

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We can't be using plants that come from the Lord for beneficial purposes. Now hurry up, or we'll be late for church.

The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.-Adolf Hitler

Legalizing marijuana won't grow our economy-Barack Hussein Obama 2009

jeepster1013

Going to church no more makes you a christian than sleeping in the garage makes you a car

I do however believe you can be christian, muslim, jew, or whatever the fuck and still support marijuanna, even if the gov. or the maj. of their church etc. does not.

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DdC

This is another one of those nondebates when its in the open and out of the "personal" arena. It is or it isn't. Cub Scouts or Christians. If you wear the uniform, your a memeber. Those tithing their nickels into the baskets are sponsoring an organization that is partly responsible for the fascist treatment of Ganja and its users. It doesn't matter if those people chucking the coins are walking saints that feed the pigeons and help lil old ladies cross the street. Their membership and sponsoring hurt people. So Christians for Cannabis is crazy. People who are Christians may be for cannabis, people for Jesus may be for Cannabis but Christianity is not for Cannabis the same as Christians don't worship Muhammad or Gandhi. They took a stand and because a few disagree that doesn't change the reality of what the organization actually does. Paying for our own destruction was sorta against the intent of the forefathers btw.

And to repeat, show me someone representing Christians that isn't pro Ganjawar? Since only those I mentioned get any media I have to stand with the statement. Where the hell are they???

Pretending. But in reality until someone finds someone not saying the same as any of the Christian evangalist then your belief and opinion will only keep the issue going, and moot. "Christians" against the Ganjawar shouldn't help pay for it. As stated before. Jesus never knew or accepted the Christhood, one upmanship he opposed. So the Fascism of Rome and the Elitist Sanhendren sect stole the basic concepts of Jesus and created the corporation of Christianity in mho but regardless of my opinion from Catholisism to the present Protestant born again tubbytelevangelist. They are sponsoring the prohibition.

We all know good Christians but that doesn't mean we should dismiss the fascism. They didn't know, they don't mean too, they aren't really bad, bla bla bla. Continuing to sponsor the lobbyist pushing the politicians to keep the Ganjawar going. Like the Germans standing by watching the Nazi's load the cattlecars. I'm sure some of them were against it too. Probably didn't mean a hell of a lot to the families of the victims though. I know many "good" Christians, Jews and even a few Muslims. What their "religions" are doing sponsoring these drug war fanatics is do in part, large or small, to them.

I've never seen anything fixed before it was known to be broken. Or if someone is determined to keep it broken. I see no way to show Christians what they are doing except to actually show them what they are doing. All I can say is don't anyone take this personally and it won't hurt a bit...

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The Rev

Weren't a large number of the Founding Fathers dieists(sp?), a quasi-religion dedicated to the idea that there was a God, but He had long since moved on?

America, and the rules that originally governed it, is a product of the Enlightenment thinking of the time, which stressed reason and logic over the religious thinking which had pervaded government in prior centuries. The whole "white, God-fearing, church going" picture of americans that we're used to conservatives selling us nowadays goes in direct contradiction to that.

Nice find, indeed.



The Rev

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I finally saw one of those bumper stickers..."God was my co-pilot but we crashed and I had to eat him".

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DdC

Thanks Rev, my thoughts exactly. I would consider myself a Jesusian in complete opposition to the fascism of Christianity. With a clear understanding of their right to be, as long as it doesn't invade any of my space. Especially chiseled into law, on my forehead. ouch!

My understanding is some of the forefathers were Church of England Christianish and some Unitarian and Deist. The Deism was a Realist concept that I find many Ganja users hold in common. Same as with the ancient Scythians who were a major influence to all of the religions. Again more than likely in mho attributed to using Ganja. That Jesusian habit of doing random acts of kindness, opposing the classism, segregation and elitist favors. I have no problem with the concept of Jesus using Ganja. Or a separation of Church and State and Corporation.
Be Well
DdC

<a href="http://www.deism.com/DeistAmerica.htm" target="_blank">DEIS M - AMERICA'S FORGOTTEN RELIGION!</a>

People like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were avid readers of the great philosophers of the European Enlightenment. They treasured the ideas found in the works of such thinkers as Descartes, Voltaire, Bacon and Locke.

One of the cornerstone ideas of the Enlightenment was to give every idea and assumption the test of reason. When they applied reason to religion they found it necessary to strip it of revelation and they ended up with Deism. Deism is belief in God based on reason and nature. The differing alleged revelations of the various revealed religions are conspicuously absent from Deism. It is a natural religion as opposed to a revealed religion such as Christianity, Judaism, or Islam.

<a href="http://www.encyclopedia.com/printable/04132.html" target="_blank">Enli ghtenment</a>, term applied to the mainstream of thought of 18th-century Europe and America.

The major champions of these concepts were the philosophes, who popularized and promulgated the new ideas for the general reading public. These proponents of the Enlightenment shared certain basic attitudes. With supreme faith in rationality, they sought to discover and to act upon universally valid principles governing humanity, nature, and society. They variously attacked spiritual and scientific authority, dogmatism, intolerance, censorship, and economic and social restraints. They considered the state the proper and rational instrument of progress. The extreme rationalism and skepticism of the age led naturally to deism; the same qualities played a part in bringing the later reaction of romanticism. The Encyclopédie of Denis Diderot epitomized the spirit of the Age of Enlightenment, or Age of Reason, as it is also called.

An International System of Thought

Centered in Paris, the movement gained international character at cosmopolitan salons. Masonic lodges played an important role in disseminating the new ideas throughout Europe.

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"The oppressed should rebel, and they will continue to rebel and raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them and all partial distinctions, exclusions and incapacitations are removed."
Thomas Jefferson, 1776.

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He was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. He wrote

"Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship... the Constitution of this Republic should make special provision for medical freedom as well as religious freedom."
- Benjamin Rush M.D.
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DdC,

You're absolutely correct that thanks to people like Jefferson and Franklin, that America itself was not founded on Christianity. However there is no question that colonial and pre-colonial history of America is firmly embedded in religion and Christianity in particular.

In my opinion, Jefferson and the other deists had a much better thing going. As your quotes point out, Jefferson did not embrace Christianity and in fact openly denounced it.

Jeffersons view of God were instrumental to the Constitution and The Bill Of Rights. Who knows? Without Jefferson, the "God Given Rights" might have read, "Rights Given to us by The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit."

There are however, other voices of history which should be heard as well.

-Hedons

"Those who cannot remember the past are
condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana


1490-1492 - Columbus' commission was given to set out to find a new world.

According to Columbus' personal log, his purpose in seeking undiscovered worlds was to "bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the heathens. .... It was the Lord who put into my mind ... that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies ... I am the most unworthy sinner, but I have cried out to the Lord for grace and mercy, and they have covered me completely ... No one should fear to undertake any task in the name of our Saviour, if it is just and if the intention is purely for His holy service." (Columbus' Book of Prophecies)


April 10, 1606 - The Charter for the Virginia Colony read in part:

"To the glory of His divine Majesty, in propagating of the Christian religion to such people as yet live in ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God."


November 3, 1620 - King James I grants the Charter of the Plymouth council.

"In the hope thereby to advance the enlargement of the Christian religion, to the glory of God Almighty."


November 11, 1620 - The Pilgrims sign the Mayflower Compact aboard the Mayflower, in Plymouth harbor.

"For the glory of God and advancement of ye Christian faith ... doe by these presents solemnly & mutually in ye presence of God and one of another, covenant & combine our selves togeather into a civill body politick."


March 4, 1629 - The first Charter of Massachusetts read in part:

"For the directing, ruling, and disposeing of all other Matters and Thinges, whereby our said People may be soe religiously, peaceablie, and civilly governed, as their good life and orderlie Conversacon, maie wynn and incite the Natives of the Country to the Knowledg and Obedience of the onlie true God and Savior of Mankinde, and the Christian Fayth, which in our Royall Intencon, and The Adventurers free profession, is the principall Ende of the Plantacion.."


January 14, 1638 - The towns of Hartford, Weathersfield and Windsor adopt the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut.

"To mayntayne and presearve the liberty and purity of the Gospell of our Lord Jesus, which we now professe..."


August 4, 1639 - The governing body of New Hampshire is established.

"Considering with ourselves the holy will of God and our own necessity, that we should not live without wholesome laws and civil government among us, of which we are altogether destitute, do, in the name of Christ and in the sight of God, combine ourselves together to erect and set up among us such government as shall be, to our best discerning, agreeable to the will of God..."


September 26, 1642 - The rules and precepts that were to govern Harvard were set up.

"Let every Student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the maine end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternall life, John 17:3 and therefore to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and Learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisdome, Let every one seriously set himselfe by prayer in secret to seeke it of him Prov. 2.3."

Harvard College was founded on Christi Gloriam and later dedicated Christo et Ecclesiae. The founders of Harvard believed that "all knowledge without Christ was vain."

The charter of Yale University clearly expressed the purpose for which the school was founded: "Whereas several well disposed and Publick spirited Persons of their sincere Regard to & zeal for upholding & propagating of the Christian Protestant Religion ... youth may be instructed in the Arts & Sciences who through the blessing of Almighty God may be fitted for Publick employment both in Church & Civil State."

In addition to Harvard and Yale, 106 out of the first 108 schools in America were founded on the Christian faith.

April 3, 1644 - The New Haven Colony adopts their charter.

"That the judicial laws of God, as they were delivered by Moses ... be a rule to all the courts in this jurisdiction ..."

1647 - Governor William Bradford publishes Of Plimouth Plantation.

"Lastly, (and which was not least,) a great hope and inward zeall they (the Pilgrims) had of laying some good foundation, or at least to make some way thereunto, for ye propagation and advancing of ye gospell or ye kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of ye world; yea, though they should be but stepping-stones unto others for ye performing of so great a work ... their desires were set on ye ways of God, and to employ his ordinances; but they rested on his providence, and know whom they had beleeved."

April 21, 1649 - The Maryland Toleration Act is passed.

"Be it therefore ... enacted ... that no person or persons whatsoever within this province ... professing to believe in Jesus Christ shall ... henceforth be any ways troubled, molested (or disapproved of) ... in respect of his or her religion nor in the free exercise thereof ..."

April 25, 1689 - The Great Law of Pennsylvania is passed.

"Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and the end of government ... therefore government itself is a venerable ordinance of God ..."

May 20, 1775 - North Carolina passes the Mecklenburg County Resolutions.

"We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of a right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no other power than that of our God and the general government of Congress."

Summer 12, 1775 - Continental Congress issues a call to all citizens to fast and pray and confess their sin that the Lord might bless the land.

"And it is recommended to Christians of all denominations, to assemble for public worship, and to abstain from servile labor and recreation on said day."

Summer 2-4, 1776 - Declaration of Independence written and signed.

"We hold these truths ... that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights ... appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world ... And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence..."

As the Declaration was being signed, Samuel Adams said: "We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let his kingdom come."

On the same day, Benjamin Franklin suggested that the national motto be: "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."

Historian and philosopher G.K. Chesterton said of the founding of America that it is "the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth in dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence."

September 17, 1787 - The Constitution of the United States is finished.

At least 50 out of the 55 men who framed the Constitution of the United States were professing Christians. (M.E. Bradford, A Worthy Company, Plymouth Rock Foundation., 1982).

Eleven of the first 13 States required faith in Jesus Christ and the Bible as qualification for holding public office.

The Constitution of each of the 50 States acknowledges and calls upon the Providence of God for the blessings of freedom.

1787 - James Madison, the "architect" of the federal Constitution and fourth president:

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future .. upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God."

April 30, 1789 - Washington gives his First Inaugural Address.

"My fervent supplications to that Almighty Being Who rules over the universe, Who presides in the council of nations, and Whose providential aid can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a government instituted by Himself for these essential purposes."

March 11, 1792 - President George Washington:

"I am sure that never was a people who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency which so often manifested in the Revolution."

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Antediluvian

It's the nature of the beast n.b.r. .

Sometimes reading is the only way to find what you need to know.

From as many sources as possible.

I'm not interesred in discussing the pros and cons or all religions right now or here. But I do find what others have to say interesting from time to time.

And it keeps my reading skills sharp so I can absorbe all those great "articles" in "Playboy "and "Mad" magazines.

Antediluvian

Ddc

whatever.

DdC

Hey hedon,

As it says, most of the forefathers did believe in a supreme being, or God. Just not the dogma and superstition of Christianity. And remember the Pilgrams were here first, if you forget about the natives already here that is. Then the Puritans came 10 or so years after, bringing the staunch religion.

As far as Columbus, he was Catholic as far as I know. Italy and Spain are pretty much Catholic, and naturally had their dogma. But I could think of many I'd choose as a role model before that cut throat. The point of the post being that religion is a personal matter and doesn't belong in the government. Especially behind Ganjawars.

"The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it."-- Edward Dowling 1941

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Columbus, the Indians, and Human Progress
The Empire and the People
War is the Health of the United States
Self-help in Hard times
A People's War ?
The Impossible Victory: Vietnam
The Seventies: Under Control ?
Carter-Reagan-Bush: The Bipartiasan Consensus
The Coming Revolt of the Guards

<a href="http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohi bitionstuff.showMess age?topicID=16.topic " target="_blank">The Columbus Project by Mary Mu</a>

Antediluvian

I'm in agreement with ya for the most part. I just get sick of hearing the media Christians always try to say this country is Christian and that somehow justifies Askrapt raping the Constitution or Bushits Ganjawar and religious drug treatment. And then someone always cops them out excusing it as they don't practice what they preach. Like I said, I think most know what they preach and practice it without regards to anything outside of their agenda and the end goal of their version of a Christian nation regardless of the means they use to attain it. Until other voices stand up in the church, the fascist have the limelight and continue to spout their message...
DdC

<a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/mycount.html#top" target="_blank">MY COUNTRY 'TIS OF THY PEOPLE YOU'RE DYING</a>

<a href="http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/nowthat.html#top" target="_blank">NOW THAT THE BUFFALO'S GONE</a>

Plus like the man said...



<a href="http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html" target="_blank">Invi sible Prohibition</a>
"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there." - William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937. Continued...

U.S. law enforcement spends $7.5 to $10 billion annually enforcing marijuana laws. According to the FBI, 720,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges in 2001.
Keith Stroup, <a href="http://www.norml.org" target="_blank">(NOR ML)</a>

<a href="http://pub3.ezboard.com/fendingcannabisprohi bitionprohibitionist wodjunkies.showMessa ge?topicID=58.topic" target="_blank">The Ganjawar is a Product Sold by D.E.A.th to Profit Fascist ... DdC</a>

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